Obamacare Phone System Sucks Too

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#43 Oct 23, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Obviously they have non qualifying plans that do not meet with minimum requirements such as providing maternity and newborn care (people of your pro life persuasion should be all in favor for that) emergency services, substance abuse treatments etc, etc, etc ...
People on the low income side will have their premiums and copays subsidized by those of us who are fortunate enough to be healthy and able to pay more.
A single payer plan should be the ultimate goal because good health care is a right that should not be limited just to the well positioned and the well to do.
Your leaders have trained you well. You know the dogma inside out.
People obviously had plans that they wanted or could afford until the government decided that they knew better than the consumers and arbitrarily changed insurance plan requirements irregardless of what people want. I chose my insurance plan because it is what I wanted, I could have afforded a more expensive one but was happy with what I had. That plan is now gone. Why should I be forced to purchase something I do not want?

You don't seem to understand. The IRS has deemed the subsidies that the low income people receive a taxable benefit. They will owe taxes for the benefits that they receive.

How does having a single payer health care system mean that one will receive good health care?

There are very few countries that have a strictly single payer health care system. Most European countries have a private and government subsidized system. Even in the countries with socialized medicine you have a choice. In Canada, which has no private health care component, you have choice. The Canadian government does not force anyone to buy health insurance, unlike here. If you chose not to buy health insurance in Canada you still get the same service everyone else does, you simply have to pay for it yourself.

I will not participate in Obama's health care plan. The fines are cheaper than what my premium will be. Even for the cheapest Obama plan I will pay the same or less for a doctor's office visit if I pay out of my own pocket.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#44 Oct 23, 2013
Local wrote:
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You hit the nail on the head Sam.
The obamacare version of socialized medicine is the equivilant of being partially pregnant. It is not possible, and it will not work.
The obamacare problems will require more and more government intervention until it is ultimately a full single payer system, and the manipulative lefty liberals know it.
They are counting on the vast majority of voters to be too stupid to see the plan.....and guess what?
They are probably correct.
The house conservatives have it right. Either delay obamacare, repeal obamacare, or we will end up with a single payer system. It is just a matter of time.
The voters who vote for this crap do not understand where government health care will take them. As an example the system in Canada works fine if you don't get seriously ill and if you already have a family physician. If you don't have a doctor you will not likely find one and then when you need care you end up at a medi-clinic where you wait hours to be seen. I have a friend in Canada who is a doctor, in the early 90s he told me that Canada is not a good place if you become seriously ill.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#45 Oct 24, 2013
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You and some of your Canadian countrymen fail to understand that one has to be proactive in live in order to survive...

You find a doctor, a dentist, dog groomer, vet, etc long before you need one.

Your friend, the doctor in Canada, who told you 20 years ago that "Canada is not a good place if you become seriously ill" probably got up on the wrong side of the bed or more than likely he shares your inhumane ideology.
Liberal Culture of Stupid

Orland, CA

#46 Oct 24, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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You and some of your Canadian countrymen fail to understand that one has to be proactive in live in order to survive...
You find a doctor, a dentist, dog groomer, vet, etc long before you need one.
Your friend, the doctor in Canada, who told you 20 years ago that "Canada is not a good place if you become seriously ill" probably got up on the wrong side of the bed or more than likely he shares your inhumane ideology.
The pure liberal fairy tale stupidity that comes from you??????
ROTFLMAO at you!!!

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#47 Oct 24, 2013
Liberal Culture of Stupid wrote:
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The pure liberal fairy tale stupidity that comes from you??????
ROTFLMAO at you!!!
Ole comrade and TP have no clue what they are talking about. The only thing they know is what mediamatters or some such sources tell them that they need to know. They have no intellectual curiosity.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#48 Oct 24, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Your leaders have trained you well. You know the dogma inside out.
People obviously had plans that they wanted or could afford until the government decided that they knew better than the consumers and arbitrarily changed insurance plan requirements irregardless of what people want. I chose my insurance plan because it is what I wanted, I could have afforded a more expensive one but was happy with what I had. That plan is now gone. Why should I be forced to purchase something I do not want?
You don't seem to understand. The IRS has deemed the subsidies that the low income people receive a taxable benefit. They will owe taxes for the benefits that they receive.
How does having a single payer health care system mean that one will receive good health care?
There are very few countries that have a strictly single payer health care system. Most European countries have a private and government subsidized system. Even in the countries with socialized medicine you have a choice. In Canada, which has no private health care component, you have choice. The Canadian government does not force anyone to buy health insurance, unlike here. If you chose not to buy health insurance in Canada you still get the same service everyone else does, you simply have to pay for it yourself.
I will not participate in Obama's health care plan. The fines are cheaper than what my premium will be. Even for the cheapest Obama plan I will pay the same or less for a doctor's office visit if I pay out of my own pocket.
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The basic problem with your kind is that you have never been able to get in touch with your humanity.

Just because someone can afford only to feed stale bread to their family does not in any way mean thai is what they want to do, the same thing applies to the worthless plans going by the wayside.

You conservative clowns are the first ones to stay in line to tell a woman about her reproductive rights, but when a baby is born with some congenital anomaly that is not your problem, and if the ladies plan does not cover it, well...."that's too bad" according to your bankrupt ideology.

A single payer plan does not mean people will receive exceptional health care but it means they will get health care and won't have to lose their life savings and everything they worked their entire life for.

You can bad mouth the Europeans and your native Country all you want and that will not change the fact that every civilized and advanced Country in this world has got a better plan then we had before OBAMACARE rolled along.

No one is forcing you to sign up for OBAMACARE, you can find your own insurance and btw, the last I heard the fines will continue to escalate for the scofflaws as the years go ...
Liberal Culture of Stupid

Orland, CA

#49 Oct 24, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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The basic problem with your kind is that you have never been able to get in touch with your humanity.
Just because someone can afford only to feed stale bread to their family does not in any way mean thai is what they want to do, the same thing applies to the worthless plans going by the wayside.
You conservative clowns are the first ones to stay in line to tell a woman about her reproductive rights, but when a baby is born with some congenital anomaly that is not your problem, and if the ladies plan does not cover it, well...."that's too bad" according to your bankrupt ideology.
A single payer plan does not mean people will receive exceptional health care but it means they will get health care and won't have to lose their life savings and everything they worked their entire life for.
You can bad mouth the Europeans and your native Country all you want and that will not change the fact that every civilized and advanced Country in this world has got a better plan then we had before OBAMACARE rolled along.
No one is forcing you to sign up for OBAMACARE, you can find your own insurance and btw, the last I heard the fines will continue to escalate for the scofflaws as the years go ...
How come none of you oblamer butt suckers will show us all where oblamercare / Affordable Care Act has been affordable for anyone???
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In New York, one of only 16 states that has its own exchange, not one person has signed up for oblamer care since its Oct. 1 opening.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#50 Oct 24, 2013
Liberal Culture of Stupid wrote:
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How come none of you oblamer butt suckers will show us all where oblamercare / Affordable Care Act has been affordable for anyone???
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In New York, one of only 16 states that has its own exchange, not one person has signed up for oblamer care since its Oct. 1 opening.
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You are the ignorant moron claiming that OBAMACARE is unaffordable for anyone, so prove it dippy!!
TWP

Wichita Falls, TX

#51 Oct 24, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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The basic problem with your kind is that you have never been able to get in touch with your humanity...
Wow...!

On Sept. 30, 2012 "GRANDPA NICOLAI"- The "Grande Dame" and Democrat Diva of the Chico TOPIX forum said,"

"see what happens to you...

it has been a while since the American people have seen a good old fashioned lynching, you know...."
-GRANDPA NICOLAI

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/chico-ca/T3F0...

So tell us Road Toa d...

Is having a "Good Old Fashioned Lynching" one of the ways that Liberal Obama Democrats like YOU - "GRANDPA NICOLAI" - get in touch with their "Humanity"...?

In fact... here is a picture of some of "GRANDPA NICOLAI's" Liberal Obama Democrat friends getting in touch with their "Humanity" at a "Good Old Fashioned Lynching"...

http://digitaljournalist.org/issue0309/images...

Don't you just get all "warm and fuzzy" knowing that there are Liberal Obama Democrats like old "GRANDPA NICOLAI" out there who are so in touch with their "Humanity"...?

Poor old Road Toa d...

Such a sorry excuse for a man...

http://www.merrystandish.com/dolanloses.html

ROTFLMAO...!!!
Liberal Culture of Stupid

Orland, CA

#52 Oct 24, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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You are the ignorant moron claiming that OBAMACARE is unaffordable for anyone, so prove it dippy!!
Already done countless times... dipshit!!!
Liberal Culture of Stupid

Orland, CA

#53 Oct 24, 2013
TWP wrote:
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Is having a "Good Old Fashioned Lynching" one of the ways that Liberal Obama Democrats like YOU - "GRANDPA NICOLAI" - get in touch with their "Humanity"...?ROTFLM AO...!!!
And on't forget about the murder of innocent babies!!!
Just another one of the ways that Liberal Obama Democrats like YOU - "GRANDPA NICOLAI" - get in touch with their "Humanity"!

Liberals lie... all the time, about everything!
And they are EXACTLY everything they claim to despise!!!
Liberal Culture of Stupid

Orland, CA

#54 Oct 24, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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You are the ignorant moron claiming that OBAMACARE is unaffordable for anyone, so prove it dippy!!
Here dipshit! Just because I know that you are too inept to look it up your pathetic lying self!

Obamacare Out-of-Pocket Costs Much Higher Than Expected.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-co...

Expected price of Obamacare mounts
The Affordable Care Act could boost the cost of underlying claims by 32%, with worst-hit states including Ohio and California.
http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx...

Obamacare premiums expected to dramatically boost consumer costs
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/25/obamacare-p...

Do millennials really understand the consequences of Obamacare? Itís easy to take up the idealistic view that 30 million previously uninsured people will have health care at almost no cost, but itís time for this same generation to realize weíll be the ones paying for the massive costs for years to come. Real Clear Politics has lists here that show that the majority of Americans disapprove of the law.

Why arenít Democrats listening to the people theyíre supposed to be representing?
http://www.policymic.com/articles/65905/obama...
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#55 Oct 24, 2013
Liberal Culture of Stupid wrote:
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Here dipshit! Just because I know that you are too inept to look it up your pathetic lying self!
Obamacare Out-of-Pocket Costs Much Higher Than Expected.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obamacare-co...
Expected price of Obamacare mounts
The Affordable Care Act could boost the cost of underlying claims by 32%, with worst-hit states including Ohio and California.
http://money.msn.com/now/post.aspx...
Obamacare premiums expected to dramatically boost consumer costs
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2013/09/25/obamacare-p...
Do millennials really understand the consequences of Obamacare? Itís easy to take up the idealistic view that 30 million previously uninsured people will have health care at almost no cost, but itís time for this same generation to realize weíll be the ones paying for the massive costs for years to come. Real Clear Politics has lists here that show that the majority of Americans disapprove of the law.
Why arenít Democrats listening to the people theyíre supposed to be representing?
http://www.policymic.com/articles/65905/obama...
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OBAMA never said that everyone's premiums will go down...

Had you bothered to read even one of the links you posted you would have known that some peoples premiums will go up and other people's premiums will go down...

The folks who's premiums will go up are folks who have plans which do not meet minimum coverage requirements, plans were people pay premiums and get nothing worthwhile in return...

said plans were way overpriced to begin with, even if the people paid $100 per year for a family of four...

And in the end, the "idealistic view" of 32 million people being able to obtain medical coverage will be realized in spite of selfishly horrid human beings like you...
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#56 Oct 24, 2013
Liberal Culture of Stupid wrote:
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And on't forget about the murder of innocent babies!!!
Just another one of the ways that Liberal Obama Democrats like YOU - "GRANDPA NICOLAI" - get in touch with their "Humanity"!
Liberals lie... all the time, about everything!
And they are EXACTLY everything they claim to despise!!!
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So why then do you hypocritical conservative punks want to deny medical coverage to babies born with congenital anomalies and to babies born to poor parents...????
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#57 Oct 24, 2013
Liberal Culture of Stupid wrote:
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Already done countless times... dipshit!!!
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In your wet dreams... Cretin!!
TWP

Wichita Falls, TX

#58 Oct 24, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Cretin...!!
"Cretin..."
-Road Toa d

Wow...!

You know Bob...?

It is ASTONISHING how bloody STUPID you are...!!!

Cretan [&#712;kri&#720;t& #601;n] adj -(Placename) of or relating to Crete or its inhabitants.

Cretan [&#712;kri&#720;t& #601;n] noun -(Placename) a native or inhabitant of Crete.

You know Road Toa d...

For someone who claims to have a MA in English and a 175 IQ...

YOU ARE REALLY, REALLY STUPID...!!!

Oh... I am laughing so hard it hurts...!!!!!!

Poor old Road Toa d (aka: "Baghdad Bob")...

Such a "STUPID" excuse for a man...!!!

http://www.merrystandish.com/dolanloses.html

ROTFLMAO...!!!!

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#59 Oct 24, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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No one is forcing you to sign up for OBAMACARE, you can find your own insurance and btw, the last I heard the fines will continue to escalate for the scofflaws as the years go ...
The fines will still be cheaper than any Obamacare plan. If they can collect from me that is.

"The penalty applies to any period the individual does not maintain minimum essential coverage and is determined monthly. The penalty is an excise tax that is assessed in the same manner as an assessable penalty under the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code.2 As a result, it is assessable without regard to the restrictions of section 6213(b). Although assessable and collectible under the Code, the IRS authority to use certain collection methods is limited. Specifically, the filing of notices of liens and levies otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not apply to the collection of this penalty. In addition, the statute waives criminal penalties for non-compliance with the requirement to maintain minimum essential coverage. However, the authority to offset
refunds or credits is not limited by this provision."

https://www.jct.gov/publications.html...

So basically what the above says is that any Obamacare fines can only be collected from a refund owed. Since I pay quarterly and always owe a small amount at the end of the year I won't be paying any Obamacare fines.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#60 Oct 24, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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So why then do you hypocritical conservative punks want to deny medical coverage to babies born with congenital anomalies and to babies born to poor parents...????
Which conservative has stated that?
TWP

Wichita Falls, TX

#62 Oct 24, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Which conservative has stated that?
Exactly on point and GREAT QUESTION...!

Old "GRANDPA NICOLAI" and his "ASS-ortment" of sycophantic "alter-egos" is the Chico TOPIX equilivent of Don Quixote...

Always trying to portray himself aa a ""Knight in Shining Armor" and "Super-Genius /$Multi-Millionaire$" who has positioned himself as the "Last Guard" against the Evil "Rebpubican" hords...

Such a bunch of silly nonsense it is literally PATHETIC...!!!

Old Road Toa d is nothing "Butt" a pathetic loser who was once the CDC's "Butt-Boy" and dirty tricks "Winged Monkey" who was ultimately dismissed because he was even to dirty for the "dirty Democrats" to stomach...!

Now he spends 18 hours a day making up imaginary "screen names" like "GRANDPA NICOLAI" and "The right is wrong" and "Tea Party Solution" to hide behind and try and trash the evil "Rebubicans" as much as his tiny little mind can come up with...!

Poor old "Baghdad Bob"...

He really, REALLY is one sorry pathetic excuse for a man...!!!

http://www.merrystandish.com/youtube.html

ROTFLMAO...!!!
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#63 Oct 24, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Which conservative has stated that?
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Every single one of you who favors the present corrupt system over OBAMACARE....

Under OBAMACARE insurance companies will not be able to deny coverage to newborns because of pre existing conditions and likewise parents who are not able to afford todays overpriced coverages will be able to do so under ACA.

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