GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#22 Oct 22, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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It is sad how gullible the Lefties are. They actually believe all that they are told by their leaders! For some reason they all think that the government operates efficiently or correct.
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What is even sadder is how gullible the right wing nuts are, they are not even sentient of the basic fact that...

Were it not for the government they would be enjoying the efficiencies of the free market by slaving 18 hour day, 6 days a week for a buck a day and would be spending it all at the company store...
Local

Clearlake, CA

#23 Oct 22, 2013
Only the true obamabot shills are defending him in regarg to the huge obamacare fiasco/scandal.
Nearly $700 million spent to develope the obamacare website, and it doesn't work.
Call your U.S. representative and urge them to stop this obama madness.
Liberal Culture of Stupid

Redding, CA

#24 Oct 22, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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You dope!!
That referral to the web site is the recording that the people who can not get trough to talk to a real life person just like I said earlier...
I am looking at what happened during the last 5 years and most people are 200% better off than they were back on January of 2009, and if ...
conservative losers like you are worse off, then I am sorry about that....
No it is not! You stupid lemming liar!
Liberal Culture of Stupid

Redding, CA

#25 Oct 22, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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What is even sadder is how gullible the right wing nuts are, they are not even sentient of the basic fact that...
Were it not for the government they would be enjoying the efficiencies of the free market by slaving 18 hour day, 6 days a week for a buck a day and would be spending it all at the company store...
And just when exactly was Henry Ford in government?
Godfrey

Oroville, CA

#26 Oct 22, 2013
Guess you can't blame the poor people on the phones trying to make a living. 2000+page bill and 20000+ pages of regulations. Wonder if Obama has read 1 page of the crap he has dumped on our country. My Guess is not, he is just to cool to have to know what the ants on the ground are having to do.
Godfrey

Oroville, CA

#27 Oct 22, 2013
The record of History is clear. There is no Economic system that can bring those in poverty out of it that can hold a candle to Capitalism. But if you live in Chico I guess a lot of you didn't get the word.
Godfrey

Oroville, CA

#28 Oct 22, 2013
I know what is wrong with the ForgetHealthCare-Website. Obama put it on the internet but he is so above everything he should have made it spiritual, like God. That way you pray for coverage. When you get sick you knell in front of a Obama bobble-head and pray. I am so funny.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#29 Oct 23, 2013
Godfrey wrote:
I know what is wrong with the ForgetHealthCare-Website. Obama put it on the internet but he is so above everything he should have made it spiritual, like God. That way you pray for coverage. When you get sick you knell in front of a Obama bobble-head and pray. I am so funny.
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Hell, that is pretty much what millions of people had to do prior to OBAMACARE....

In the pre OBAMACARE days if people had pre existing conditions or did not have much money they had to bend knee to some mythical deity to get well instead of getting medical care...
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#30 Oct 23, 2013
Liberal Culture of Stupid wrote:
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And just when exactly was Henry Ford in government?
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HMMM, yeah...

Ford was the exception and not the rule...

5 bucks in 1914 were the equivalent of around $100 bucks per day today, he did it for no other reason than to reduce the expense of the large worker turnover he was experiencing in his assembly plants, and....

many of his workers did not get the $5 per day if they "did not live right"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/...
Liberal Culture of Stupid

Chico, CA

#31 Oct 23, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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HMMM, yeah...
Ford was the exception and not the rule...
5 bucks in 1914 were the equivalent of around $100 bucks per day today, he did it for no other reason than to reduce the expense of the large worker turnover he was experiencing in his assembly plants, and....
many of his workers did not get the $5 per day if they "did not live right"
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/...
So in other words... the free market system worked without a regressive liberal dictatorship like oblamers regime telling Ford that HE HAD TO DO IT!
Government intervention has and is continuing to destroy this nation.
Just look at what Government & unions have done to Detroit?
And Detroit has been a blue state since 1962!
Aren't liberal demorats just the greatest? Crooks that is!!! LOL

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#32 Oct 23, 2013
Godfrey wrote:
Guess you can't blame the poor people on the phones trying to make a living. 2000+page bill and 20000+ pages of regulations. Wonder if Obama has read 1 page of the crap he has dumped on our country. My Guess is not, he is just to cool to have to know what the ants on the ground are having to do.
If it Microsoft or some other corporation were trying to take over 1/5 of our economy they would be in front of Congress charged with attempting to monopolize the market. It is very strange to me how the Lefties believe in giving government all the power they want yet protest in the streets when it comes to a few corporations that they think make too much money when you have fallible humans running both. Of course competency doesn't apply when it comes to Congress like it does in the private sector.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#33 Oct 23, 2013
Liberal Culture of Stupid wrote:
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So in other words... the free market system worked without a regressive liberal dictatorship like oblamers regime telling Ford that HE HAD TO DO IT!
Government intervention has and is continuing to destroy this nation.
Just look at what Government & unions have done to Detroit?
And Detroit has been a blue state since 1962!
Aren't liberal demorats just the greatest? Crooks that is!!! LOL
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Boy, you are more ignorant than anyone could have possibly imagine...!!!

Don't you know that for every FORD there were several dozen "robber barons?"

People like the Rockefellers, J.P Morgans, Leland Stanfords, Andrew Carbnegies, on and on...

People who exploited everyone and everything they could?

Some of those avaricious capitalist abusers would even put the ultra greedy Koch brothers to shame.

If it weren't for the government and the unions uneducated dummies like you would be shoveling coal for 10 cents an hour...
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#34 Oct 23, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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If it Microsoft or some other corporation were trying to take over 1/5 of our economy they would be in front of Congress charged with attempting to monopolize the market. It is very strange to me how the Lefties believe in giving government all the power they want yet protest in the streets when it comes to a few corporations that they think make too much money when you have fallible humans running both. Of course competency doesn't apply when it comes to Congress like it does in the private sector.
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It is precisely because the medical industry was mismanaging 1/5 of our economy that the government had to intervene.

Contrary to prevailing conservative lore, the government does not have a monopoly on incompetence as was recently proved by the financial industry which nearly destroyed the world economy...
Local

Clearlake, CA

#35 Oct 23, 2013
The topic at hand is:
Obamacare Phone System Sucks Too

lefties arse wipes want to avoid the subject at hand because it is so embarrassing for them.
Obamacare is mess.....and a very expensive one at that.
The obamacare website alone cost $700 million...and it doesn't work.

however...if a ole dumb socialist wishes to digress, I can accommodate:

Foreclosed: Blame Bill Clinton’s Repeal of Glass-Steagall
The Strange Death of Liberal America
http://thestrangedeathofliberalamerica.com/fo...
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#37 Oct 23, 2013
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Baloney!

As usual, some conservative wing nuts are scraping the bottom of the barrel to make political hay while appearing even more foolish than they already are.

First off, all that any business website, including OBAMACARE is is a labor saving device, no more no less, people can still enroll the old fashioned way by calling in or filling out the appropriate paperwork...

Second, the $700 million dollar alleged price tag of the website is a spit in the multi billion dollars ocean that the T bagging Congress cost the US economy by shutting down the government...

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#38 Oct 23, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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It is precisely because the medical industry was mismanaging 1/5 of our economy that the government had to intervene.
Contrary to prevailing conservative lore, the government does not have a monopoly on incompetence as was recently proved by the financial industry which nearly destroyed the world economy...
The medical industry worked within government regs. If there was a problem in the medical industry blame governmental policies. Also the government was already in 50% of the medical industry before Obamacare was foisted upon the citizenry. The problems with signing up on line, etc. is only the beginning. It won't be long and the behemoth that Obama created will be causing untold pain and suffering.

You wait until all those people who think that they are getting free health care have to start paying their out of pocket expenses and get hit with a tax bill from the IRS. You see the IRS has deemed that the subsidies that all those poor people get are taxable.

Some estimate that the number of people who will lose their health insurance because of Obamacare will be 16 million. Prescription drug prices are on the rise, hospitals are laying off people. Soon comrade you can go to Cuba for your much loved socialist health care.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Paradise, CA

#39 Oct 23, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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The medical industry worked within government regs. If there was a problem in the medical industry blame governmental policies. Also the government was already in 50% of the medical industry before Obamacare was foisted upon the citizenry. The problems with signing up on line, etc. is only the beginning. It won't be long and the behemoth that Obama created will be causing untold pain and suffering.
You wait until all those people who think that they are getting free health care have to start paying their out of pocket expenses and get hit with a tax bill from the IRS. You see the IRS has deemed that the subsidies that all those poor people get are taxable.
Some estimate that the number of people who will lose their health insurance because of Obamacare will be 16 million. Prescription drug prices are on the rise, hospitals are laying off people. Soon comrade you can go to Cuba for your much loved socialist health care.
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Yes we know SAM, in your version of the Von Misses universe everything that ever goes wrong gets attributed to government policies and enterprise is never to blame for anything....

In spite of constant conservative agitprop, no one ever gets free anything anywhere in the world, because some form of payment is always extracted either in the way of money, effort, dire poverty, or even loss of self esteem.

The insurance that your 16 million will be losing is not worth the paper most of those policies are printed on and will be replaced by real insurance....

Contrary to what your side claims there are those who say the cost of medical care and medications is on a downtrend...

The hospitals are probably laying some people off because they anticipate a decline in uninsured patients. Fear not, those who are laid off will find good employment elsewhere in the medical industry...

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#40 Oct 23, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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The insurance that your 16 million will be losing is not worth the paper most of those policies are printed on and will be replaced by real insurance....
Really? You know they type of insurance these people had? Those on the low income side will drop out of Obamacare once they see their co-pays, deductibles and taxable benefits go up. What you will end up with is more uninsured which will raise the rates for those insured forcing more people to drop their insurance.

The Dems want single payer anyway, this is their way of hurting the medical industry and it's customers so that they government can step in and really socialize health care.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Paradise, CA

#41 Oct 23, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Really? You know they type of insurance these people had? Those on the low income side will drop out of Obamacare once they see their co-pays, deductibles and taxable benefits go up. What you will end up with is more uninsured which will raise the rates for those insured forcing more people to drop their insurance.
The Dems want single payer anyway, this is their way of hurting the medical industry and it's customers so that they government can step in and really socialize health care.
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Obviously they have non qualifying plans that do not meet with minimum requirements such as providing maternity and newborn care (people of your pro life persuasion should be all in favor for that) emergency services, substance abuse treatments etc, etc, etc ...

People on the low income side will have their premiums and copays subsidized by those of us who are fortunate enough to be healthy and able to pay more.

A single payer plan should be the ultimate goal because good health care is a right that should not be limited just to the well positioned and the well to do.
Local

Clearlake, CA

#42 Oct 23, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Really? You know they type of insurance these people had? Those on the low income side will drop out of Obamacare once they see their co-pays, deductibles and taxable benefits go up. What you will end up with is more uninsured which will raise the rates for those insured forcing more people to drop their insurance.
The Dems want single payer anyway, this is their way of hurting the medical industry and it's customers so that they government can step in and really socialize health care.
You hit the nail on the head Sam.
The obamacare version of socialized medicine is the equivilant of being partially pregnant. It is not possible, and it will not work.
The obamacare problems will require more and more government intervention until it is ultimately a full single payer system, and the manipulative lefty liberals know it.
They are counting on the vast majority of voters to be too stupid to see the plan.....and guess what?
They are probably correct.
The house conservatives have it right. Either delay obamacare, repeal obamacare, or we will end up with a single payer system. It is just a matter of time.

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