“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#22 Apr 18, 2013
Crickets wrote:
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Why in the world would he do that?
Because he believes that the wealthy should pay more in taxes. He could set an example but no the Liberal elites think that they are above the law and that they are the ones who should be telling others how to behave. Really it could start a new trend. A base tax rate and then those who feel like they want to pay more can.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#23 Apr 18, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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What a hypocritical viewpoint. I thought you repubs, just like Romney, believe that the most patriotic thing to do is pay as little as possible, and not one cent more.
On the other hand, Obama is for eliminating tax loopholes for the rich-- and that would tax him MORE.
Romney was fighting for zero capital gains taxes, which would have made his tax bill almost zero.
I am pointing out Obama's hypocrisy. I could care less if Obama pays 18% in taxes. The point is, let me try to make this simple for you, that while Obama wants the wealthy to pay 50% of their income in taxes he takes every deduction and pays 18%. That is hypocritical. Warren Buffet does the same thing. He is moaning how the rich should pay more in taxes while he has an ongoing battle with the IRS about paying taxes.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#24 Apr 18, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
By the way, the Obama's gave 25% of their income to charities:
The Obamas reported donating about one-quarter of their income ó$150,034 ó to 33 different charities, including the Fisher House Foundation, which provides temporary housing for the families of wounded veterans.
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-04-12...
So they gave a total of 43% to taxes and charities.
That's nice. You cannot compare charitable giving to taxes, nor can you lump them together. Charitable giving is something you do of your own volition. Taxes are your property taken from you by threat and physical force.
Crickets

Williams, CA

#25 Apr 18, 2013
sociopathic Liberals wrote:
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You are the poster child of a liberal lemming.
Lemming:
A member of a group following an unthinking course towards mass destruction.
Somebody who will generally do ANYTHING for obama, and they will agree to anything said by obama as well.
They will never disagree nor argue with obama, no matter what.
I guess your small intellect couldn't handle dealing with or refuting anything I actually said, so instead you respond with that nonsense.

I'll take that as a concession on your part.
Crickets

Williams, CA

#26 Apr 18, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Because he believes that the wealthy should pay more in taxes. He could set an example but no the Liberal elites think that they are above the law and that they are the ones who should be telling others how to behave. Really it could start a new trend. A base tax rate and then those who feel like they want to pay more can.
Don't be ridiculous.

Did you fail to read the rest of my post. The benefit of taxes comes from the collectivity of their burden, and the fact that they are UNIFORM, a few people paying more does nothing, a whole bracket paying more, means we can bring down the defecit, and fix bridges, and improve the VA. etc. This is not rocket science Sam, I don't understand why you can't seem to understand it.

And there is absolutely nothing hypocritical about wanting to raise taxes on your own tax bracket.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#27 Apr 18, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
<quoted text>
That's nice. You cannot compare charitable giving to taxes, nor can you lump them together. Charitable giving is something you do of your own volition. Taxes are your property taken from you by threat and physical force.
Of course you should include charitable giving to your idea of Obama and Buffet giving extra money to the IRS. That would ALSO be charitable giving.

And taxes are not "taken from you by threat and physical force". Taxes are a social contract, the cost of living in a country. You, as an immigrant, should have known that we have taxes here. When you became a citizen you agreed to our social contract. If you don't like it, elect politicians who will cut your taxes.

Or just leave. It's your choice.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#28 Apr 18, 2013
sociopathic Liberals wrote:
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Yes I did to pay 25% in payroll taxes, just over $15,000.
Do you even have a clue what you paid? Or are you one of those who just doesn't pay attention to what the Govt. steals from you in with holding taxes?
Taxes are not theft. Taxes are the cost for living in this (or any) country. If you don't like it, you're free to leave. Good luck finding a civilized country that doesn't have taxes.

Federal payroll taxes are paid by the employee and the employer. The employee pays 6.2% for social security, and you collect social security when you get old. The employee pays 1.45% for medicare, and you get this medical insurance when you get old.

There are also state and local payroll taxes-- these are NOT federal taxes. This blog is about what FEDERAL taxes the Obama's paid. And I'm sure that the president paid payroll taxes on his employment income as president. He also paid a lot of state taxes.
A Toad Roady

Lincoln, CA

#29 Apr 18, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Taxes are not theft. Taxes are the cost for living in this (or any) country. If you don't like it, you're free to leave. Good luck finding a civilized country that doesn't have taxes.
Federal payroll taxes are paid by the employee and the employer. The employee pays 6.2% for social security, and you collect social security when you get old. The employee pays 1.45% for medicare, and you get this medical insurance when you get old.
There are also state and local payroll taxes-- these are NOT federal taxes. This blog is about what FEDERAL taxes the Obama's paid. And I'm sure that the president paid payroll taxes on his employment income as president. He also paid a lot of state taxes.
Sociopath and the rest of the righties posting here don't have a clue! Without taxes there wouldn't have been an army to go kill the people HE put into power in Afghanistan. There wouldn't be any roads or government to develop the atom bomb that won WW2 or blah blah blah.

Me, I'm sick of paying taxes that end up benefiting only the rich.

Can't wait for the Mid -terms!
--Mulholland Stupid--

Iowa Park, TX

#30 Apr 18, 2013
A Toad Roady wrote:
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I'm sick of paying taxes that end up benefiting only the rich.
Wow Road Toa d...!

What a strange thing to say from someone who claims to be worth over $100 Million Dollars...

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
- Hamlet, Act III, scene II

Another example of "Mulholland Stupid"...

http://www.merrystandish.com/dolanloses.html
A Toad Roady

Lincoln, CA

#31 Apr 18, 2013
--Mulholland Stupid-- wrote:
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Wow Road Toa d...!
What a strange thing to say from someone who claims to be worth over $100 Million Dollars...
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
- Hamlet, Act III, scene II
Another example of "Mulholland Stupid"...
http://www.merrystandish.com/dolanloses.html
Please post a link where I ever said I was worth "$100 Million Dollars..." Ya can't so that once again proves old "el -twerpo" is a liar.

Sorry fornication face butt this is just to easy.
A Toad Roady

Lincoln, CA

#32 Apr 18, 2013
--Mulholland Stupid-- wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow Road Toa d...!
What a strange thing to say from someone who claims to be worth over $100 Million Dollars...
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks."
- Hamlet, Act III, scene II
Another example of "Mulholland Stupid"...
http://www.merrystandish.com/dolanloses.html
Oh, and then there's "el -twerpo", alias "Mulholland Stupid" stupid.
--Mulholland Stupid--

Iowa Park, TX

#33 Apr 18, 2013
A Toad Roady wrote:
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Please post a link where I ever said I was worth "$100 Million Dollars...
butt...
"Please post a link where I ever said I was worth "$100 Million Dollars..."
-Road Toa d

Oh....!

Sorry Road Toa d "butt" according to your own rules "YOU" have to prove that you "DID NOT SAY" that you were worth $100 Million Dollars...!

YOUR RULES ROAD TOA D...!!!

ROTFLMAO at you again...!!!

Another example of "Mulholland Stupid"...

http://www.merrystandish.com/dolanloses.html

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#34 Apr 18, 2013
Crickets wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't be ridiculous.
Did you fail to read the rest of my post. The benefit of taxes comes from the collectivity of their burden, and the fact that they are UNIFORM, a few people paying more does nothing, a whole bracket paying more, means we can bring down the defecit, and fix bridges, and improve the VA. etc. This is not rocket science Sam, I don't understand why you can't seem to understand it.
And there is absolutely nothing hypocritical about wanting to raise taxes on your own tax bracket.
If that is the case then why do half of the workers in this country not pay taxes. How many illegals working under the table pay taxes? Why do the top 10% pay the majority of taxes in this country?

Hardly a collective burden.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#35 Apr 18, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Of course you should include charitable giving to your idea of Obama and Buffet giving extra money to the IRS. That would ALSO be charitable giving.
And taxes are not "taken from you by threat and physical force". Taxes are a social contract, the cost of living in a country. You, as an immigrant, should have known that we have taxes here. When you became a citizen you agreed to our social contract. If you don't like it, elect politicians who will cut your taxes.
Or just leave. It's your choice.
That is your answer, leave? You Lefties are always on about protesting this and protesting that. If you don't like the fact that the wealthy are not paying all the taxes in this country and the bottom 50% pay nothing why don't you leave. There are countries with higher taxes than here, go there.

Try not paying your income tax for awhile and see if you are not fined and jailed. Just ask Wesley Snipes how his tax revolt worked out for him.
Crickets

Williams, CA

#36 Apr 19, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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If that is the case then why do half of the workers in this country not pay taxes.
That is simple Sam. Because our country over the years has decided that people earning under a certain amount should not pay federal income taxes because they don't make enough money....i.e. they can't afford it. These people do pay lots of taxes though, sales taxes, gas taxes, etc, etc.

"WHO ARE THE 47% WHO PAY NO FEDERAL INCOME TAXES?

The Tax Policy Centerís Donald Marron said they fall into three main groups:

The working poor. The earned income tax credit and the child credit can help families making $50,000 or more pay no taxes or get money back. About 60% of those not paying income taxes do contribute to payroll taxes, meaning they must have some source of earned income.

The elderly. An increased standard deduction for those over 65, and an exemption on part of Social Security earnings, means that many older Americans pay no income taxes. Please remember though that the elderly have paid their dues through decades worth of federal taxation during their careers.

The low-income. A family of four claiming only the standard deduction and personal exemptions pays no federal income tax on its first $27,000 of income.

As you can see, being poor or elderly likely means you donít pay net federal income taxes. Weíre all going to grow old one day, so letís give this group a pass. The elderly paid into the system, so letís take care of them. I donít think any of us would rather be poor so we can pay no federal taxes"

Sam Lowree wrote:
<quoted text>How many illegals working under the table pay taxes?
What a stupid question sam. You already know the answer. Nobody working under the table, regardless of their citizenship status, pays taxes on thier income. That is what WORKING UNDER THE TABLE means for christ's sake. You know that. Not sure what that has to do with anything. It is already illegal in most cases.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do the top 10% pay the majority of taxes in this country?
Hardly a collective burden.
They pay most of the taxes because they earn most of the money. They can afford it. They have obviously benefited tremendously from this great nation, why should they not give back to it at a higher rate than those that are just scraping by?

Lets say, just for example, that it takes the average family about 50 thousand a year to live in a decent house, have transportation, healthy food, medical coverage, etc. basically to live. If you take 30% of that 50 thousand a year, now that families quality of life declines significantly. They have less to spend. Thus collectively their are less consumers driving the economy.

On the other hand, if a family is making, lets say, 1.5 million a year and you take out 30% for taxes, their quality of life would not change in any noticeable way, and they would still by most everything a consumer buys.

It is common sense Sam. Of course the family making 1.5 should pay a higher percentage than the family making 50 thousand.

Don't you agree.
Crickets

Williams, CA

#37 Apr 19, 2013
oops. I left out the citation. http://www.financialsamurai.com/2011/04/12/ho...
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#38 Apr 19, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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That is your answer, leave? You Lefties are always on about protesting this and protesting that..
You are an immigrant, Sam. You knew that when you became a US citizen that you were accepting our social contract, which includes taxes. So, yes-- you have two basic ways to change your situation-- you can vote for those who advocate lower taxes, or you can leave this country.

About we "Lefties who are always protesting this and that"-- aren't YOU always protesting this and that?
Sam Lowree wrote:
<If you don't like the fact that the wealthy are not paying all the taxes in this country and the bottom 50% pay nothing why don't you leave. There are countries with higher taxes than here, go there..
Another silly strawdog argument. I never said these things.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<Try not paying your income tax for awhile and see if you are not fined and jailed. Just ask Wesley Snipes how his tax revolt worked out for him.
Our taxes pay for lots of things that Americans enjoy and use every day. The roads you drive on are paid by our taxes. Our strong military, which protects us from hostile countries, is paid for with our taxes. Our police, which protects you from thieves and ensures that your customers can't rip you off, are paid by taxes. The government agencies which make sure that our food, water, and air are clean, are paid by our taxes.

If you don't pay the taxes you owe, you are a thief-- you're robbing the rest of us. And thieves are fined or go to jail.

If you don't want to pay our taxes, then you're a hypocrite to have become a citizen here. Research those countries that don't have taxes-- and become one of THEIR citizens.

As you like to say, "It's really very simple".
Crickets

Williams, CA

#39 Apr 19, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Research those countries that don't have taxes-- and become one of THEIR citizens.
As you like to say, "It's really very simple".
Perhaps he would like Somalia.

I don't think their government, such as it is, is in any shape to collect taxes, and I doubt they "over-regulate"....t hey probably just let businesses do whatever they want...no socialist welfare programs making the citizenry lazy.....etc. etc......it seems to be laissez faire capitalism at its finest.

Somehow, though, I think a place that practiced what he preaches would be a rude awekning to him though, not an 'atlas shrugged' paradise.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#40 Apr 19, 2013
Crickets wrote:
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Perhaps he would like Somalia.
I don't think their government, such as it is, is in any shape to collect taxes, and I doubt they "over-regulate"....t hey probably just let businesses do whatever they want...no socialist welfare programs making the citizenry lazy.....etc. etc......it seems to be laissez faire capitalism at its finest.
Somehow, though, I think a place that practiced what he preaches would be a rude awekning to him though, not an 'atlas shrugged' paradise.
Exactly right.

Libertarianism is the mirror opposite of Marxism. It's based on idealistic platitudes, just like Marxism. We have found that Marxism/ Communism doesn't work-- it quickly becomes a dictatorship. We've seen, through our own history, that unfettered 'capitalism' also becomes ugly very quickly. Our Gilded Age in the late 1900's is a good example of the horrible outcomes caused by an unregulated market place.

I've asked in these blogs for someone to show us a truly Libertarian nation. Show us this country which has applied all the Libertarian principles, and show us how this country is successfull, happy, prosperous-- for ALL of its citizens. Get this, Crickets-- the few who tried to answer my simple question came up with China and Russia as their shining examples. God help us all.

The fact is that there are NO countries practicing true Libertariansim, or anything close to it. But the righties and repubs who adore Libertarianism say, "Just do it. Give us a country based on our ideology of
First Principles, and everything will be great." They want us to take this leap into their unproven (actually, disproven) philosophy, just as the Marxists did with THEIR ideology in Russia, China, and Cuba.

Those of us who've outgrown the adolescent novels of Ayn Rand reply with, "No thanks".
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#41 Apr 19, 2013
How high are our taxes compared to the rest of the world?

Based on an income of $100,00 a year we're 55th out of 114. And this UNDERSTATES how low our taxes are, because we don't have a value-added tax.

The states do have a sales tax, which averages 8%. The OECD average is 32%.

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