Chico officers offer concessions, city says no

There are 20 comments on the Jun 10, 2013, Chico Enterprise-Record story titled Chico officers offer concessions, city says no. In it, Chico Enterprise-Record reports that:

The Chico Police Officers Association is frustrated after the city rejected its offer to pay the full employee share of its retirement contribution, despite its looming budget cuts.

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Taxpayer

Concord, CA

#1 Jun 11, 2013
Too little too late.

Too bad we didn't have the new management in place five years ago maybe we wouldn't be in this mess.

Employee greed got us here.

Time to let them sharpen the axe and start chopping.
Annie

Chico, CA

#2 Jun 12, 2013
As a temporary measure close all downtown bars 2 hours early until the police department is fully staffed.
Toad Roady

Sacramento, CA

#3 Jun 12, 2013
Annie wrote:
As a temporary measure close all downtown bars 2 hours early until the police department is fully staffed.
Good idea! and how about reviewing all police logs to find out how much it costs the city for enforcement for alcohol related issues and then taxing all booze sales to pay for those costs.
Thieves and crime

Paradise, CA

#4 Jun 12, 2013
Cops and the fire department make too much money. heard they make over one hundred thousand dollars in pay checks. Then they also get benes on top of that plus pensions. No wonder the city is broke. They retire when their 50 years old.
Juan

Chico, CA

#5 Jun 12, 2013
Thieves and crime wrote:
Cops and the fire department make too much money. heard they make over one hundred thousand dollars in pay checks. Then they also get benes on top of that plus pensions. No wonder the city is broke. They retire when their 50 years old.
True, the Chico taxpayers are burdened with huge retirement packages for Police and firefighters retiring early. I propose an early retirement penalty to discourage those wanting to retire early.
Tellit

Paradise, CA

#6 Jun 15, 2013
Bring down their salaries a little bit and we could keep our fire department and police for protection of our citizens. We’re the taxpayers; I think they should protect us instead of the city officials living in luxury with their high wages and salary.
TUNE IN PEOPLE

Torrance, CA

#7 Jun 18, 2013
You people in Chico need to do some research. Nakamura and Orme destroyed the police department in Hemet while personally enjoying giant salaries and benefits. Now, just a year later, Hemet is more dangerous than Compton. When you lower your officer staffing ratio to such low points the criminals know and will take advantage. The citizens better pay attention to exactly what is happening because after Nakamura leaves in another year you will be left holding the bag of shit he sold you.
As far as the Police Officers Assn ... The reason Orme did not take your PERS is because he will be going after much more and many more positions. I'm sure you have figured it out but he and Nakamura and not honest and do not have the citizens or employees best interest in mind. We wish you luck.
Juan

Redding, CA

#8 Jun 18, 2013
TUNE IN PEOPLE wrote:
You people in Chico need to do some research. Nakamura and Orme destroyed the police department in Hemet while personally enjoying giant salaries and benefits. Now, just a year later, Hemet is more dangerous than Compton. When you lower your officer staffing ratio to such low points the criminals know and will take advantage. The citizens better pay attention to exactly what is happening because after Nakamura leaves in another year you will be left holding the bag of shit he sold you.
As far as the Police Officers Assn ... The reason Orme did not take your PERS is because he will be going after much more and many more positions. I'm sure you have figured it out but he and Nakamura and not honest and do not have the citizens or employees best interest in mind. We wish you luck.
Yes, they should have run for City Council like the rest of them.
FYI

Chico, CA

#9 Jun 19, 2013
The median household income in Chico is $36,000, compared to $116,000 for a firefighter and $97,000 for a police officer.
Toad Roady

Lincoln, CA

#10 Jun 19, 2013
FYI wrote:
The median household income in Chico is $36,000, compared to $116,000 for a firefighter and $97,000 for a police officer.
Your sources?
FYI

Chico, CA

#11 Jun 19, 2013
Toad Roady wrote:
<quoted text>
Your sources?
Finance Director Chris Constantin. Chico ER 6-19-13
Local

Clearlake, CA

#12 Jun 19, 2013
too little too late. The government workers already have all of the money....and now?
Some of them must lose their jobs.

retired California government workers
receive pensions in excess of $100,000
from CalPERS
Name Employer Warrant Amount Annual

Alexander, Thomas E City of Chico $8,947.23 $107,366.76
Baptiste, Antoine G City of Chico $10,409.65 $124,915.80
Beardsley, Dennis D City of Chico $8,510.23 $102,122.76
Brown, John S City of Chico $17,210.38 $206,524.56
Carrillo, John A City of Chico $10,398.98 $124,787.76
Davis, Fred City of Chico $12,467.78 $149,613.36
Dunlap, Patricia A City of Chico $10,847.05 $130,164.60
Fell, John G City of Chico $9,209.35 $110,512.20
Frank, David R City of Chico $14,830.05 $177,960.60
Garrison, Frank W City of Chico $8,933.56 $107,202.72
Jack, James F City of Chico $9,095.09 $109,141.08
Lando, Thomas J City of Chico $11,236.48 $134,837.76
Mcenespy, Barbara L City of Chico $12,573.40 $150,880.80
Pierce, Cynthia City of Chico $9,390.30 $112,683.60
Probst, John D City of Chico $8,361.02 $100,332.24
Ross, Earnest C City of Chico $9,496.60 $113,959.20
Sellers, Clifford R City of Chico $9,511.11 $114,133.32
Vonderhaar, John F City of Chico $8,488.07 $101,856.84
Voris, Timothy M City of Chico $8,433.90 $101,206.80
Weber, Michael C City of Chico $11,321.93 $135,863.16

http://www.fixpensionsfirst.com/calpers2012/...
Toad Roady

Lincoln, CA

#13 Jun 19, 2013
Local wrote:
too little too late. The government workers already have all of the money....and now?
Some of them must lose their jobs.
retired California government workers
receive pensions in excess of $100,000
from CalPERS
Name Employer Warrant Amount Annual
Alexander, Thomas E City of Chico $8,947.23 $107,366.76
Baptiste, Antoine G City of Chico $10,409.65 $124,915.80
Beardsley, Dennis D City of Chico $8,510.23 $102,122.76
Brown, John S City of Chico $17,210.38 $206,524.56
Carrillo, John A City of Chico $10,398.98 $124,787.76
Davis, Fred City of Chico $12,467.78 $149,613.36
Dunlap, Patricia A City of Chico $10,847.05 $130,164.60
Fell, John G City of Chico $9,209.35 $110,512.20
Frank, David R City of Chico $14,830.05 $177,960.60
Garrison, Frank W City of Chico $8,933.56 $107,202.72
Jack, James F City of Chico $9,095.09 $109,141.08
Lando, Thomas J City of Chico $11,236.48 $134,837.76
Mcenespy, Barbara L City of Chico $12,573.40 $150,880.80
Pierce, Cynthia City of Chico $9,390.30 $112,683.60
Probst, John D City of Chico $8,361.02 $100,332.24
Ross, Earnest C City of Chico $9,496.60 $113,959.20
Sellers, Clifford R City of Chico $9,511.11 $114,133.32
Vonderhaar, John F City of Chico $8,488.07 $101,856.84
Voris, Timothy M City of Chico $8,433.90 $101,206.80
Weber, Michael C City of Chico $11,321.93 $135,863.16
http://www.fixpensionsfirst.com/calpers2012/...
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, how many of those listed are working for the City of Chico? And do you have any idea what any of those listed did for the city of Chico.
Realist

Chico, CA

#14 Jun 19, 2013
FYI wrote:
The median household income in Chico is $36,000, compared to $116,000 for a firefighter and $97,000 for a police officer.
Spot on not much else to say, those few stats say it all.

We don't have to have these cuts, especially to fire. Get together and restructure pay and benefits to save positions.

Yeah don't hold your breath!
Realist

Chico, CA

#15 Jun 19, 2013
Local wrote:
too little too late. The government workers already have all of the money....and now?
Some of them must lose their jobs.
retired California government workers
receive pensions in excess of $100,000
from CalPERS
Name Employer Warrant Amount Annual
Alexander, Thomas E City of Chico $8,947.23 $107,366.76
Baptiste, Antoine G City of Chico $10,409.65 $124,915.80
Beardsley, Dennis D City of Chico $8,510.23 $102,122.76
Brown, John S City of Chico $17,210.38 $206,524.56
Carrillo, John A City of Chico $10,398.98 $124,787.76
Davis, Fred City of Chico $12,467.78 $149,613.36
Dunlap, Patricia A City of Chico $10,847.05 $130,164.60
Fell, John G City of Chico $9,209.35 $110,512.20
Frank, David R City of Chico $14,830.05 $177,960.60
Garrison, Frank W City of Chico $8,933.56 $107,202.72
Jack, James F City of Chico $9,095.09 $109,141.08
Lando, Thomas J City of Chico $11,236.48 $134,837.76
Mcenespy, Barbara L City of Chico $12,573.40 $150,880.80
Pierce, Cynthia City of Chico $9,390.30 $112,683.60
Probst, John D City of Chico $8,361.02 $100,332.24
Ross, Earnest C City of Chico $9,496.60 $113,959.20
Sellers, Clifford R City of Chico $9,511.11 $114,133.32
Vonderhaar, John F City of Chico $8,488.07 $101,856.84
Voris, Timothy M City of Chico $8,433.90 $101,206.80
Weber, Michael C City of Chico $11,321.93 $135,863.16
http://www.fixpensionsfirst.com/calpers2012/...
Wow, our poor kids. Some of these people will be collecting these obscene pensions for years.

How long has Fred Davis been retired?

Did he and lando do such a great job?

City seems pretty screwed up today.

This is just the tip of the berg public pensions will be the anchor around our neck for years.
Toad Roady

Lincoln, CA

#16 Jun 20, 2013
Local wrote:
too little too late. The government workers already have all of the money....and now?
Some of them must lose their jobs.
retired California government workers
receive pensions in excess of $100,000
from CalPERS
Name Employer Warrant Amount Annual
Alexander, Thomas E City of Chico $8,947.23 $107,366.76
Baptiste, Antoine G City of Chico $10,409.65 $124,915.80
Beardsley, Dennis D City of Chico $8,510.23 $102,122.76
Brown, John S City of Chico $17,210.38 $206,524.56
Carrillo, John A City of Chico $10,398.98 $124,787.76
Davis, Fred City of Chico $12,467.78 $149,613.36
Dunlap, Patricia A City of Chico $10,847.05 $130,164.60
Fell, John G City of Chico $9,209.35 $110,512.20
Frank, David R City of Chico $14,830.05 $177,960.60
Garrison, Frank W City of Chico $8,933.56 $107,202.72
Jack, James F City of Chico $9,095.09 $109,141.08
Lando, Thomas J City of Chico $11,236.48 $134,837.76
Mcenespy, Barbara L City of Chico $12,573.40 $150,880.80
Pierce, Cynthia City of Chico $9,390.30 $112,683.60
Probst, John D City of Chico $8,361.02 $100,332.24
Ross, Earnest C City of Chico $9,496.60 $113,959.20
Sellers, Clifford R City of Chico $9,511.11 $114,133.32
Vonderhaar, John F City of Chico $8,488.07 $101,856.84
Voris, Timothy M City of Chico $8,433.90 $101,206.80
Weber, Michael C City of Chico $11,321.93 $135,863.16
http://www.fixpensionsfirst.com/calpers2012/...
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, how many of those listed are still working for the City of Chico? And do you have any idea what any of those listed did for the city of Chico.

Are you now working or have you ever worked for someone and were paid for your services??
Steve

Chico, CA

#17 Jun 20, 2013
Toad Roady wrote:
<quoted text>
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, how many of those listed are still working for the City of Chico? And do you have any idea what any of those listed did for the city of Chico.
Are you now working or have you ever worked for someone and were paid for your services??
Not sure what they did for the City as it's rather apparent whatever they did it was for the money.
Local

Clearlake, CA

#18 Jun 20, 2013
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
Not sure what they did for the City as it's rather apparent whatever they did it was for the money.
What they did is line their pockets.
And now????
The City of Chico pays huge for those who do nothing but collect money.
Those are only the 100k per year plus crowd.

TOP 2 FOR 'City of Chico'
WITH MONTHLY PENSION PAYMENT GREATER THAN $10,000.00

Name Employer Warrant Amount Annual
Brown, John S City of Chico $17,210.38 $206,524.56
Frank, David R City of Chico $14,830.05 $177,960.60
Total Amount for this Employer
$209,672.16 Monthly
$2,516,065.92 Annually for the $100k retired public employee club of the City of Chico.

This is just the tip of the berg.
Toad Roady

Lincoln, CA

#19 Jun 20, 2013
Local wrote:
<quoted text>
What they did is line their pockets.
And now????
The City of Chico pays huge for those who do nothing but collect money.
Those are only the 100k per year plus crowd.
TOP 2 FOR 'City of Chico'
WITH MONTHLY PENSION PAYMENT GREATER THAN $10,000.00
Name Employer Warrant Amount Annual
Brown, John S City of Chico $17,210.38 $206,524.56
Frank, David R City of Chico $14,830.05 $177,960.60
Total Amount for this Employer
$209,672.16 Monthly
$2,516,065.92 Annually for the $100k retired public employee club of the City of Chico.
This is just the tip of the berg.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, how many of those listed are still working for the City of Chico? And do you have any idea what any of those listed did for the city of Chico.

Are you now working or have you ever worked for someone and were you paid for your services??
Local

Clearlake, CA

#21 Jun 20, 2013
California Public Sector Retirement
Programs and Compensation
A financial analysis prepared for
The California Foundation for Fiscal Responsibility
Capitol Matrix

http://www.fixpensionsfirst.com/docs/Full_Rep...

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