Obama Lied, my Health Plan Died
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#128 Nov 7, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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The tea party. "Small government anarchists like Alaska’s Joe Miller want their states to control (and be free to develop) federal lands within their states.“The ultimate goal has to be state control over the (resource) base,” Miller said in 2010. Michele Bachmann wanted to drill for oil in the Everglades in 2011. Ron Paul (R-TX) echoed these calls in 2012, saying he wanted to disband the Department of the Interior." http://www.politicususa.com/2013/11/07/tea-pa...
And Glenn Beck and others are talking about privatizing the national parks.
Hip, hip, hooray for Alaska's Joe Miller, Michele Bachmann, Ron Paul, and Glenn Beck.

To hell with anti growth enviro-nazis like you and your ilk.

People are out of work poor and hungry because of azzwhules like you.....and your ilk.

and btw, when oh when are you going to admit what a complete fiasco obamacare has become? You are proving yourself to be a radical left wing ditto head shill.
Juan

United States

#129 Nov 7, 2013
Sorry, now he says he's sorry.
President Barack Obama said on Thursday he is sorry Americans are losing their current health insurance plans as a result of his signature healthcare law.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#130 Nov 7, 2013
Juan wrote:
Sorry, now he says he's sorry.
President Barack Obama said on Thursday he is sorry Americans are losing their current health insurance plans as a result of his signature healthcare law.
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At least President OBAMA said he is sorry that some folks were inconvenienced by ACA....

Dime ahora JUAN, when was the last time you ever heard bush the w say he was sorry he did not protect America on 911 and that he was sorry he lied about IRAQ...???
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#131 Nov 7, 2013
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This little tidbit from Hedrick Smith is for the ignorant dicklick who insists that Clinton and the repeal of Glass Steagal was somehow responsible for the 2008 economic crisis...

" 1982—President Reagan persuades Congress to pass a law authorizing the exotic loans that will become the hallmarks of the 2000s housing boom. The law permits loans never previously allowed: adjustable rate mortgages, or ARMs, with ballooning interest rates, 100 percent financing;; and “negative amortization” that permits banks to charge high fees and interest rates and allow minimal payments, causing many people to go deeper into debt, and stripping equity out of many homes."
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#132 Nov 7, 2013
The basic problem of socialism is the imbalance or asymmetry it creates between costs and benefits. At times the costs are diffused throughout the entire community while the benefits are concentrated on one or a few members. At other times it is the costs that are concentrated while the benefits are diffused. The result is that socialism, by its very nature, rewards sloth and indolence and penalizes diligence and hard work. It therefoR establishes incentives that are incompatible with its self-proclaimed goal of material prosperity. The inherent dilemma of socialism is that individuals who respond “rationally” to the incentives confronting them will produce results that are “irrational” for the community as a whole.

1. See Sven Rydenfelt, A Pattern for Failure (New York: Harcourt. 1983), pp. 27-45; Hedrick Smith. The Russians (New York: Ballantine, 1984), pp. 264-84; and Marshall Goldman. USSR in Crisis (New York: Norton. 1983), pp. 63-87.

Educate yourself.....dicklick

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#133 Nov 7, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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1) I find it difficult to understand why conservatives seem to have such difficulties with the obvious...
2) It is somewhat nebulous to most most of us why conservatives do not have the intellectual curiosity to find out the real causes behind the Nation's ills...
3) I hope you find this timeline enlightening....
http://hedricksmith.com/timeline-who-stole-th...
With no documentation or references cited it appears as another opinion piece by another lefty.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#134 Nov 7, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Yes, communism as we've seen it becomes a totalitarian regime. No democracy. Whenever democracy is squashed the rich and powerful eventually run the show. I fear that happening in our country where the paid-off politicians and their rich and powerful "donors" squash democracy and people's rights in order to further their own wealth and power.
A socialist/communist government must become totalitarian otherwise it will lose control and will not be able to enact its’ policies.
Yes, the corrupt politicians are robbing us of our democracy.
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Why are the big banks STILL too big to fail? The repubs (and some dems) block every effort to actually IMPLEMENT the regulations that would help stop their huge power over our economy. The Glass-Steagall law was repealed by both parties, as was the bill that de-regulated derivatives.
Finally you are admitting that government was to blame for the financial meltdown and subsequent recession.
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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The paid-off politicians won't strengthen regulations because their rich donors don't want them to do so. Isn't that clear? The lack of smart, strong regulations AND the paid off politicians are BOTH the culprits.
You of course have it backwards. That must be your nature. The corrupt politicians are the ones who are corrupting the system. They are running a pay to play scam and if a business wants to remain in business they have to give our legislators the money.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/22/opinion/pol...
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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How ridiculous. Unions helped bring us out of the first Gilded Age, and the big money interests want to get rid of them now. Unions are PART of our capitalistic system. It's the only way workers can have any power in the system.
Unions by their very nature are socialist. Everyone doing a certain job regardless of their experience or skill gets the same wage. Not capitalistic at all. An employee should be able to market their skills and experience to their employer and settle on a mutually agreeable wage. That doesn’t happen in a union.
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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The tea party. "Small government anarchists like Alaska’s Joe Miller want their states to control (and be free to develop) federal lands within their states.“The ultimate goal has to be state control over the (resource) base,” Miller said in 2010. Michele Bachmann wanted to drill for oil in the Everglades in 2011. Ron Paul (R-TX) echoed these calls in 2012, saying he wanted to disband the Department of the Interior." http://www.politicususa.com/2013/11/07/tea-pa...
And Glenn Beck and others are talking about privatizing the national parks.
Why does the federal government own land in the states? All government entities should be privatized. They will be much better run and end up saving the tax payers a lot of money.
Steve

Chico, CA

#135 Nov 8, 2013
Local wrote:
The basic problem of socialism is the imbalance or asymmetry it creates between costs and benefits. At times the costs are diffused throughout the entire community while the benefits are concentrated on one or a few members. At other times it is the costs that are concentrated while the benefits are diffused. The result is that socialism, by its very nature, rewards sloth and indolence and penalizes diligence and hard work. It therefoR establishes incentives that are incompatible with its self-proclaimed goal of material prosperity. The inherent dilemma of socialism is that individuals who respond “rationally” to the incentives confronting them will produce results that are “irrational” for the community as a whole.
1. See Sven Rydenfelt, A Pattern for Failure (New York: Harcourt. 1983), pp. 27-45; Hedrick Smith. The Russians (New York: Ballantine, 1984), pp. 264-84; and Marshall Goldman. USSR in Crisis (New York: Norton. 1983), pp. 63-87.
Educate yourself.....dicklick
The result is that socialism, by its very nature, rewards sloth and indolence and penalizes diligence and hard work. True.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#136 Nov 8, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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A socialist/communist government must become totalitarian otherwise it will lose control and will not be able to enact its’ policies..
Countries such as Canada, Australia, Netherlands, Sweden, Norway-- are 'socialist' and democratic and capitalistic-- and are doing very well. You try to equate the Soviet Union with countries such as Canada and Sweden-- and there's NO comparison.

But you always ignore the political/ corporate dynasty. Why?

Because in your already made-up little mind only the "government is the problem".
Sam Lowree wrote:
<Yes, the corrupt politicians are robbing us of our democracy..
The SYSTEM is corrupt-- we need to get the money out of politics. Can you at least agree to that fact? No. In your already made-up mind it's just the politicians at fault, and the big money is innocent. But like GRANDPA says repeatedly-- it takes two to tango.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<Finally you are admitting that government was to blame for the financial meltdown and subsequent recession..
Do you realize the hypocrisy of that statement? You've said repeatedly that we have too many regulations. In fact you think we need LESS regulations

And now you're saying that the government WAS responsible for the financial meltdown because it eliminated important regulations. So, now you're pretending that you're for the regulations that were eliminated. Like loco, you can't keep your logic congruent.

Sam, you're a shallow thinker.

By eliminating these regulations we allowed the Great Recession. So, YES, the government was responsible, because it ELIMINATED important regulations. These rescinded regulations were needed to stop the high stakes gambling on wall street. The regulations were GOOD-- the elimination of them was BAD,

I really can't believe that your thinking is so obtuse. On the other hand, maybe it really is that deliberately stupid. I'm starting to believe that you really are that stupid and intentionally disingenuous.
Sam Lowree wrote:
< The corrupt politicians are the ones who are corrupting the system. They are running a pay to play scam and if a business wants to remain in business they have to give our legislators the money.
Who are you trying to fool? BP, Exxon/Mobil, Walmart, Goldman Sachs, are doing just fine. They're making billions every year. But you're trying to suggest that they have to bribe politicians just "to remain in business".

C'mon Sam. These hugely profitable firms bribe politicians so that they can make even more billions and have even more power over our country. What color are those sunglasses you're wearing?
Sam Lowree wrote:
<Unions by their very nature are socialist..
Unions are the only way for workers to negotiate with corporations. They are a necessary element of capitalism. An individual worker has no power.

And EVERY civilized nation has some socialism, including ours. It's not a dirty word.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#137 Nov 8, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Why does the federal government own land in the states? All government entities should be privatized. They will be much better run and end up saving the tax payers a lot of money.
Sorry, Sam, but I've got to state the obvious-- boy, are you stupid.

Yours is the kind of shallow thinking I expect from a teenager who's rebelling against mom and dad. They'll yell, "I don't want the home, food, and education you've been providing to me. I just want to be free!"

The teenager has graduated from high school and his parents now ask that he provides some payment for his room and board. They'll help with his college expenses. But to the teenager the housing, food, and education are just a given-- part of the already provided part of his life. Why should he pay for anything?

That's like adolescent 'libertarians'. They shouldn't have to pay taxes to maintain our roads, fund our EPA to protect our air and water, or fund the FDA to protect the meds we take. It's all just a given, part of their furniture.

Libertarians want to believe that every government agency is by definition poorly run and too expensive. They want to believe that private companies can always do a better job, by definition.

Private is always good, and public is always bad, the libertarians maintain. Private companies ARE good at efficiently making profits. But there are certain services that are much better provided by the government-- we the people.

If everything was privatized we would all be driving on poorly maintained toll roads. Where's the competition? A few corporations would buy up our freeways and charge whatever they want.

Private prisons will do what they already do-- lobby for longer sentences for everyone, including those guilty of minor crimes-- because the more prisoners they have, the more money they make.

Get rid of Medicare and watch the private insurance premiums skyrocket for every senior citizen. if they have a pre-existing condition they won't even be able to buy medical insurance.

These are just a very few examples. Sam, try thinking beyond your nose.

GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#138 Nov 8, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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With no documentation or references cited it appears as another opinion piece by another lefty.
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Hedrick Smith's book, "Who stole the American dream" is full "documentation and references" if you were intellectually honest you could probably pick up a used copy on Amazon.com for a couple of bucks...

But you just hit on one of the many reasons why so many conservatives are so confused about so many things...

You all place your trust on appearances rather than intellect.... If someone is on food stamps then to you he/she appears to be lazy, if someone inherits a family fortune than he/she appears to you be smart and hard working, if it is snowing outside then it appears to you that AGW is a scam, if a wealthy Arab sheik comes to the US for medical treatment then it appears to you that even the poorest person in the US can obtain the same treatment...on and on and on.....

I am afraid I have to agree with SOLUTION, SAM....even though your posts are more coherent than SOCIOPATHS and not as plagiarized as LOCO's, you still don't think.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#139 Nov 8, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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You all place your trust on appearances rather than intellect.... If someone is on food stamps then to you he/she appears to be lazy, if someone inherits a family fortune than he/she appears to you be smart and hard working, if it is snowing outside then it appears to you that AGW is a scam, if a wealthy Arab sheik comes to the US for medical treatment then it appears to you that even the poorest person in the US can obtain the same treatment...on and on and on.....
I am afraid I have to agree with SOLUTION, SAM....even though your posts are more coherent than SOCIOPATHS and not as plagiarized as LOCO's, you still don't think.
Not at all. I base my opinion of people on their actions. I base my opinions on a subject based on factual data. Obama said that we could keep our health care, the fact is he lied. I try not to judge anyone on their appearances or intelligence. I have met some very intelligent people who had little common sense and have made some very poor decisions which end up impacting them for the rest of their lives.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#140 Nov 8, 2013
Steve wrote:
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The result is that socialism, by its very nature, rewards sloth and indolence and penalizes diligence and hard work. True.
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Hmmm...right!

You guys make sure to tell that to our armed forces and while you are at it also tell the Navy Seals and the rest of our Special Forces how "slothful and indolent" they are.. don't forget our first responders and law enforcement personnel.

You also should think about were this Nation would be today had our big bad socialist government not granted the railroads all that land, not gone trough with the Louisiana purchase and not bought Alaska and...

if you have some spare time maybe you can also tell us why the "diligent and hard working" capitalists did not built our dams and freeway systems until the government you guys hate so much sprung for them...?
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#141 Nov 8, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Not at all. I base my opinion of people on their actions. I base my opinions on a subject based on factual data. Obama said that we could keep our health care, the fact is he lied. I try not to judge anyone on their appearances or intelligence. I have met some very intelligent people who had little common sense and have made some very poor decisions which end up impacting them for the rest of their lives.
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Looks like you contradict yourself because this is what you posted earlier...

"With no documentation or references cited it appears as another opinion piece by another lefty."

President OBAMA did say people could keep their healthcare, but that applied to people who had health care to begin with, which means that, even though, some people with adequate coverage fell through the cracks, the vast majority of them did not have the minimum required coverage which means they really had no coverage to begin with...
Single Payer

United States

#142 Nov 8, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
LOL, My insurance is alive and doing well. They're soliciting for more members in Oregon, California Nevada, Hawaii .... The only insurance companies dumping members are companies who refused to go along with individual states insurance rules. Again, LOL
It's funny that the CORPS and their Tea Bagger Repub Stooges in DC, who poisoned pilled this legislation to death, are now culpable for their own deeds. So what do they do, CANCEL POLICIES and blame the AHCA.

Yeah, That's Tea Freak Mentality!

My Medicare is just fine. Too bad folks were NOT allowed to buy into that system as single payers. Oh but that is big government.
Fear Mongers

United States

#143 Nov 8, 2013
Ruth wrote:
Millions of Seniors Could Lose Their Coverage.
http://www.heritage.org/research/factsheets/o...
I'm a senior and my Medicare is just fine.

Try again TEA BAGGER!

You all are FERA MONGERS!
Pres OLiar

Nevada City, CA

#144 Nov 8, 2013
Well I fooled all of you. See what can get passed by just trowing a few lies ino my speechs? Suckers, every oneof them!!
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#145 Nov 8, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Yours is the kind of shallow thinking I expect from a teenager who's rebelling against mom and dad. They'll yell, "I don't want the home, food, and education you've been providing to me. I just want to be free!"
The teenager has graduated from high school and his parents now ask that he provides some payment for his room and board. They'll help with his college expenses. But to the teenager the housing, food, and education are just a given-- part of the already provided part of his life. Why should he pay for anything?
That's like adolescent ...blahg, blah, blah!!
First, you call me an adolescent, and then you call Sam the same.....lmao......you may want to take a look at the man in the mirror.
You know......projecting again.
A proper analogy for the teenage person dealing with his folks is this:
Why do I have to pay for my Mom and Dad's healthcare.
After all, it is the young generation who will pay for obamacare, and it is the youngest generation(and their kids) who will have to pay off the ever growing mountain of obama's federal debt.
You are truly an arsewipe.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#146 Nov 8, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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1) I find it difficult to understand why conservatives seem to have such difficulties with the obvious...
2) It is somewhat nebulous to most most of us why conservatives do not have the intellectual curiosity to find out the real causes behind the Nation's ills...
3) I hope you find this timeline enlightening....
http://hedricksmith.com/timeline-who-stole-th...
That's an excellent link, GRANDPA. There's many important facts in this timeline, such as:

"2010—Wall Street financial firms hire 1,447 former government officials as lobbyists to fight new banking regulation legislation, attempting to eliminate or water down provisions for strict regulations. After the bill passes, Wall Street bankers and lobbyists continue the battle to delay or weaken new regulations."

The above is exactly what I've been talking about-- the political/ corporate cartel. It takes two to tango, and they're dancing up a storm.

"2010—In the Congressional elections of 2010, business interests outspend labor $1.3 billion to $79 million, a 16-to-1 advantage for business. In soft-money contributions to political parties, rather than donations made directly to candidates through political action committees, the business advantage is 97-to-1 ($972 million for business to $10 million for labor).

And that's how our democracy is being undermined. Big businesses spend 97 to 1 to get their ho's elected and to get them to pass the bills they want.

At the same time, the Big Money and their Tbagger shills yell about those horrible labor unions and government workers.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#147 Nov 8, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Libertarians want to believe that every government agency is by definition poorly run and too expensive. They want to believe that private companies can always do a better job, by definition.
Private is always good, and public is always bad, the libertarians maintain. Private companies ARE good at efficiently making profits. But there are certain services that are much better provided by the government-- we the people.
If everything was privatized we would all be driving on poorly maintained toll roads. Where's the competition? A few corporations would buy up our freeways and charge whatever they want.
Of course you are wrong. Again. Libertarians do not want anarchy. Libertarians do want some government. Limited government.

The best freeway that I have ever driven on was a well maintained privately built freeway that did indeed have a toll. It was well worth the price as you knew the freeway was well maintained, well designed and safe because of these factors.

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