Where McDonald's wages start near $15...

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#610 Sep 25, 2013
Local wrote:
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Your position is the only HONESTLY defensible position on this thread.
The problem is, teepee will not be honest.
He will accuse you of being an anarchist if you complain about the existance of too many laws/regulation, and he will accuse you of being a 1 percent person if you want less/lower taxation, and he will call you a nazi if you want to deporting ILLEGAL immigrants.
Teepee is inherently incapable of finding middle ground on anything, so he then accuses you of the being a "one way personality".
The truth is, that your ideas ARE the compromise(middle ground) and teepee is arguing for full blown socialism.
and gramps?
He is a waste of time, and a moronic shill that only parrots teepee.
TPs main problem is that he has trouble understanding complex issues and is a Leftie. Comrade's problem is that he is a Marxist. Don't you just love those who proclaim Marxism as the answer when they owe their existence to capitalism?

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#611 Sep 25, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Canadian citizens still pay higher taxes than we do, if you include their provincial taxes and VAT. And did you notice from my earlier post that they did not go for de-regulation of the financial industry as we did. That's why they didn't suffer our meltdown.
And Canada has-- god forbid-- the dreaded universal health coverage.
Yes they do pay higher taxes, a big part of the higher taxation in Canada is due to their socialized health care system, and it depends where you live in Canada. Alberta for instance doesnít have a provincial sales tax. There is no VAT in Canada, it is called the GST.
Our financial melt down occurred because of idiotic government regulations, not because of any de-regulation. The Canadians donít have a Fannie or Freddie and were not forcing banks to loan money to people who couldnít pay it back.
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#612 Sep 25, 2013
Hey ssm, how is that mcdonald's wages start near $15 an hour in Australia and their franchises and company owned stores are making bank?
Local

Clearlake, CA

#613 Sep 25, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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TPs main problem is that he has trouble understanding complex issues and is a Leftie. Comrade's problem is that he is a Marxist. Don't you just love those who proclaim Marxism as the answer when they owe their existence to capitalism?
Absolutely.......
For example: Teepee wants higher/more taxation when our government(s)levels of tax revenue are at all time highs..........and in the meantime, levels of poverty are also reaching new all time highs.
The correlation between the two situations seems to escape him.
The median income is going down due mostly to higher taxes and lower demand for workers(extreme competition for available jobs means cheaper hires)), and teepees answer is to tax the job creators more making them them less likely to hire, and at the same time, skyrocketing local and state taxes are hurting the ability of the middle class to spend....hence, less jobs.....and the downward spiral continues.
I give you the City of Detroit, and the state of Illinois.
Both have been run by teepee type liberals for decades, and both are miserably broke.
California is working hard to become just like illinois.....
The difference is that Calif. is very wealthy, so it is taking much longer to break the state......
However, the decline of Calif. is becoming glaringly obvious.
Local

Clearlake, CA

#614 Sep 25, 2013
This thread proves that liberalism has failed.
The title of the thread implies that flipping burgers has become a career instead of what it is....an entry level job for kids.
My, my, how this nation has declined.
We are fighting over scraps.
Nice job lefties.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#615 Sep 25, 2013
Local wrote:
This thread proves that liberalism has failed.
The title of the thread implies that flipping burgers has become a career instead of what it is....an entry level job for kids.
My, my, how this nation has declined.
We are fighting over scraps.
Nice job lefties.
Flipping burgers won't employ too many people much longer if the Lefties keep pushing for higher wages for low skill jobs.
http://singularityhub.com/2013/01/22/robot-se...
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#616 Sep 25, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Flipping burgers won't employ too many people much longer if the Lefties keep pushing for higher wages for low skill jobs.
http://singularityhub.com/2013/01/22/robot-se...
Hey sam, how is that mcdonald's wages start near $15 an hour in Australia and their franchises and company owned stores are making bank?

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#617 Sep 25, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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Hey sam, how is that mcdonald's wages start near $15 an hour in Australia and their franchises and company owned stores are making bank?
How is that McDs in North Dakota pays $15/hr and pay new employees a hiring bonus?
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#618 Sep 26, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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How is that McDs in North Dakota pays $15/hr and pay new employees a hiring bonus?
That doesn't answer the question so again sam, how is it that mcdonald's wages start near $15 an hour in Australia and their franchises and company owned stores are making bank?

And how is it that mcdonald's in North Dakota pay $15 an hour and pay new employees a hiring bonus?

Huummm?
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#619 Sep 26, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Flipping burgers won't employ too many people much longer if the Lefties keep pushing for higher wages for low skill jobs.
http://singularityhub.com/2013/01/22/robot-se...
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That is funny coming from you SAM....

Just about a year ago you were trying to tell me that automation does not cause unemployment.....

But don't you worry, eventually there will be an automation tax to support those displaced by automation.
Liberal Culture of Hatred

Chico, CA

#620 Sep 26, 2013
Local wrote:
This thread proves that liberalism has failed.
The title of the thread implies that flipping burgers has become a career instead of what it is....an entry level job for kids.
My, my, how this nation has declined.
We are fighting over scraps.
Nice job lefties.
Absolutely correct, sir.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#621 Sep 26, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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That doesn't answer the question so again sam, how is it that mcdonald's wages start near $15 an hour in Australia and their franchises and company owned stores are making bank?
How many employees does McDs in Australia have relative to other McDs? What is their profit margin compared to other McDs throughout the world? Do they have the same corporate tax as we do? You see, there are many factors that determine a businesses profit margin.
The right is wrong wrote:
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And how is it that mcdonald's in North Dakota pay $15 an hour and pay new employees a hiring bonus?
Huummm?
Not how but why. The why is because of supply and demand. In N. Dakota there is an excess amount of jobs and a short supply of workers therefore wages increase. The government didn't force McDs to raise their wages in N.Dakota, the market did the work. The same thing could happen here in California. We are sitting on huge oil and natural gas reserves. If the oil companies were allowed to tap into those reserves there would be plenty of jobs to go around which of course would drive up wages.

Supply and demand does work for the good of all. Government regs only work for friends of the politicians.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#622 Sep 26, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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That is funny coming from you SAM....
Just about a year ago you were trying to tell me that automation does not cause unemployment.....
But don't you worry, eventually there will be an automation tax to support those displaced by automation.
Automation may decrease laborers required in a certain area when automation comes in but that does not mean unemployment increases. Workers replaced by machines find other employment. Where are all the switch board operators? Have companies like ATT increased or decreased their work force with the advent of step by step or digital switching?
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#623 Sep 26, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Sam wants to eliminate the minimum wage and tear down important protective agencies such as the EPA. He hates the government so much that he thinks we could have a society without an infrastructure. Those ideas are NOT middle ground. And I don't know what 'full blown socialism' is, but I did find it interesting that Sam's Heritage link to the 'freest countries' included countries that are more socialist than the US-- such as Canada and Australia.
These countries have socialized health care, strong safety nets, and smart regulations on the fat cats. Read my posts. Respond to them instead of trying to throw your stereotypes onto me.
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GRANDPA, like me, is open to having honest discussions with you, Sam, or anyone else. The keywords here are HONEST and DISCUSSIONS.
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SAM is so steeped in the Austrian school of armchair economics and libertarian non-think that no common sense will ever penetrate his thick but empty skull...

LOCO is nothing but an OBAMA hating charlatan who plagiarizes from right wing nut blogs and parrots whatever nonsense he hears on the AM dial....

They want to eliminate minimum wages because neither one of them understand the basic economic fact that one companies' workers are another companies customers and that our economy flourishes only when the common man has got disposable income in his pocket.

They take our infrastructure for granted without appreciating the fact that preceding generations toiled tirelessly and that their sweat paved our roads and bridges...

They also think that safe drinking water and clean air are their birthright but they do not feel and obligation to safeguard them for future generations.

Finally, I would never accuse any of them of being humanitarians....but hypocrites they are....

They feign great concern for the unborn and then they are all for denying medical care to tens of millions, they want to pay less then minimum to the parents of the newborn and to top it off they want to cut down on their food stamps, all the while giving more breaks to the so deserving 1%.!!
The right is wrong

Sacramento, CA

#624 Sep 26, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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How many employees does McDs in Australia have relative to other McDs? What is their profit margin compared to other McDs throughout the world? Do they have the same corporate tax as we do? You see, there are many factors that determine a businesses profit margin.
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Not how but why. The why is because of supply and demand. In N. Dakota there is an excess amount of jobs and a short supply of workers therefore wages increase. The government didn't force McDs to raise their wages in N.Dakota, the market did the work. The same thing could happen here in California. We are sitting on huge oil and natural gas reserves. If the oil companies were allowed to tap into those reserves there would be plenty of jobs to go around which of course would drive up wages.
Supply and demand does work for the good of all. Government regs only work for friends of the politicians.
Why can't/won't you answer my question?
Local

Clearlake, CA

#625 Sep 26, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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How is that McDs in North Dakota pays $15/hr and pay new employees a hiring bonus?
I'll take that one Sam.
North Dakota McDs pays $15/hr for new hires because there is a strong demand for workers there.
The oil business is booming and everyone is making money, hence the price for workers has gone up significantly.
Simple supply and demand theory at work in favor of low skilled workers.

By the same token, when 2 million college grads are out of work due to this bad nobama economy?
It becomes cheap and easy to hire a college graduate.
Thanks to a lousy nobama economy, you can hire a P.H.D. to flip burgers for $15/per hr.
Nice job lefties.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Paradise, CA

#626 Sep 26, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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Why can't/won't you answer my question?
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Because he can't, and...

Instead he offers a rare anomaly as evidence of something by pointing to Dakota which is going through the same short lived stuff Alaska underwent when they were building the oil pipeline, and...

LOCO still does not understand that giving tax breaks to the wealthy so they can stash their money overseas and pay minimum wages does nothing to stimulate an economy...
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#627 Sep 26, 2013
Local wrote:
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Absolutely.......
For example: Teepee wants higher/more taxation when our government(s)levels of tax revenue are at all time highs.........
Taxes compared to GDP are the lowest in 60 years. That's the way to compare taxes, not by the dollar amount of revenue. We will have higher revenue dollars because of a larger population, inflation, and other factors.

From Bruce Bartlett, former Reagan economist:

"Federal taxes are at their lowest level in more than 60 years. The Congressional Budget Office estimated that federal taxes would consume just 14.8 percent of G.D.P. this year. The last year in which revenues were lower was 1950, according to the Office of Management and Budget.

The postwar annual average is about 18.5 percent of G.D.P. Revenues averaged 18.2 percent of G.D.P. during Ronald Reaganís administration; the lowest percentage during that administration was 17.3 percent of G.D.P. in 1984.

In short, by the broadest measure of the tax rate, the current level is unusually low and has been for some time. Revenues were 14.9 percent of G.D.P. in both 2009 and 2010."

And our actual corporate tax revenue is extremely low. In 1953 corporations paid 5.7% of the GDP. In 2012 corporations paid 1.6%

In 2010 the US was the third LEAST taxed country among the developed nations. That includes federal, state, and local taxes. Only Mexico and Chile paid less than us.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#628 Sep 26, 2013
Local wrote:
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For example: Teepee wants higher/more taxation when our government(s)levels of tax revenue are at all time highs..........and in the meantime, levels of poverty are also reaching new all time highs.
The correlation between the two situations seems to escape him..
As I showed above, your correlation is wrong. We have very low taxes, and the corporations are paying very, very little, as their share of the GDP. BTW, I'm NOT for higher taxes on the rest of us-- that would further shrink our economy.

So, why the poverty? If lower taxes, especially for the fat cats, is supposed to bring us more jobs and less poverty, why aren't we prosperous? We had the Bush tax cuts on all people, including the top 1% for ten years. Why didnít the so-called job creators create tons of jobs? Why didnít we all become prosperous?

Because trickle down economics is a lie. Here area few reasons why weíre still wallowing in Bushís legacy:

1) The repubs continually block Obama's job plan, which would improve our crumbling infrastructure and bring us more jobs. They refuse any type of stimulus spending, and have forced layoffs of hundreds of thousands of teachers, police, and other government workers instead.

2) The Great Recession, brought on by de-regulation and by Bush's out-to-lunch SEC, put millions of people out of work. This is still Bush's economy, no matter how much you want to believe that history started when Obama took office.

3) The rich individuals and corporations are clearly NOT bringing us jobs. They're stashing billions overseas, and hiring the Chinese. Giving them more tax cuts is laughable. Why do you keep repeating the same mistakes?
Local wrote:
<The median income is going down due mostly to higher taxes and lower demand for workers(extreme competition for available jobs means cheaper hires)), and teepees answer is to tax the job creators more making them them less likely to hire, and at the same time, skyrocketing local and state taxes are hurting the ability of the middle class to spend....hence, less jobs.....and the downward spiral continues.
Most of us are still paying the reduced taxes of the Bush tax cuts. There's lower employment demand because the republicans keep shrinking our economy and won't allow jobs programs.

What WOULD put us into an upward spiral is infrastructure and other stimulus spending to get people back to work. More people working means more tax revenue, and more money being spent at businesses. Then more businesses will hire more employees, giving us more tax revenue and more jobs.

This would give us an UPWARD spiral. On the other hand, laying off more teachers, providing less government spending-- SHRINKS our economy even more. Not only is it taking more people out of the work force, but it forces more people to need government assistance, which we taxpayers have to pay for.

The republicans want more austerity, and more tax cuts for the rich-- when it clearly doesn't work. They want more de-regulation when that was clearly what helped sink us into the Great Recession. Canada had good financial regulations and they didn't suffer a great recession.

World War II brought us the biggest stimulus spending of all time-- and it pulled us out of the Great Depression. Righties just never learn. No matter what, they keep banging their heads against the wall and wonder why it hurts.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#629 Sep 27, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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Why can't/won't you answer my question?
I did.

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