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GRANDPA NICOLAI

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I am still waiting for proof from a published scientific work showing without a doubt that man made CO2 has caused the earth to warm and that this warming will be of catastrophic proportions.
The alarmists attack the messenger but cannot debate the message.
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Proof is all around you, all you have to do is look in the right places.

You will never find proof that CO2 is responsible for global warming by reading and listening to ideological conservative propaganda any more then you will find tuna swimming in the desert or saguaro cactus growing in the middle of the ocean.

I respectfully suggest you educate yourself otherwise you are beginning to sound like that other ignoramus known as LOCO aka LOCA

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GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Proof is all around you, all you have to do is look in the right places.
You will never find proof that CO2 is responsible for global warming by reading and listening to ideological conservative propaganda any more then you will find tuna swimming in the desert or saguaro cactus growing in the middle of the ocean.
I respectfully suggest you educate yourself otherwise you are beginning to sound like that other ignoramus known as LOCO aka LOCA
http://www.skepticalscience.com/empirical-evi...
I see that you cannot provide any proof. Thanks for admitting that your ideology is not based in reality.
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I see that you cannot provide any proof. Thanks for admitting that your ideology is not based in reality.
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I have got no idea what kind of proof someone as learned as you wants but SOLUTION and I have already posted hundreds of links which provide just about all the proof the vast majority of the world's scientists need, and….

speaking of ideologies, it is quite amusing to see that your ideology has got you convinced that you know more than the worlds greatest research institutions and places of higher learning.
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GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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I have got no idea what kind of proof someone as learned as you wants but SOLUTION and I have already posted hundreds of links which provide just about all the proof the vast majority of the world's scientists need, and….
speaking of ideologies, it is quite amusing to see that your ideology has got you convinced that you know more than the worlds greatest research institutions and places of higher learning.
But Gramps, These boys are BLINDED by Religious Ideology and Rhetoric. No need for Science and LOGIC!
GRANDPA NICOLAI

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<quoted text>But Gramps, These boys are BLINDED by Religious Ideology and Rhetoric. No need for Science and LOGIC!
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I am afraid you are right JRC.

All these "BLIND" conservative boys can not dazzle us with their brilliance so they attempt to overwhelm us with their B.S...
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GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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I am afraid you are right JRC.
All these "BLIND" conservative boys can not dazzle us with their brilliance so they attempt to overwhelm us with their B.S...
Their BS is all they have!

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Jan 12, 2014
 
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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I have got no idea what kind of proof someone as learned as you wants but SOLUTION and I have already posted hundreds of links which provide just about all the proof the vast majority of the world's scientists need, and….
speaking of ideologies, it is quite amusing to see that your ideology has got you convinced that you know more than the worlds greatest research institutions and places of higher learning.
You see comrade, how science is supposed to work is that when a scientist postulates a theory they then do their research, hypothesize , conduct the experiments, analyse the results and then determine if their hypothesis was correct. If the hypothesis is incorrect their theory is wrong. There has been no experimentation that has proven the theory. Now of course no real world experiments can be done concerning weather predictions but hypothesis can still be made and the results analyzed. So far none of the hypothesis have been correct. All of the computer models meant to predict the climate have been grossly inaccurate therefore the theory is wrong. It is that simple.

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Jan 12, 2014
 
no logic neede wrote:
<quoted text>But Gramps, These boys are BLINDED by Religious Ideology and Rhetoric. No need for Science and LOGIC!
Actually it is the AGW alarmists who believe religiously in the unproven theory of catastrophic AGW. Believing in something with no proof is what those who subscribe to the catastrophic effects of AGW are doing. You can kneel to your AGW gods all you like. The rest of us would like to see some proof before changing the economy of the world and therefore the welfare of billions of fellow humans.
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You see comrade, how science is supposed to work is that when a scientist postulates a theory they then do their research, hypothesize , conduct the experiments, analyse the results and then determine if their hypothesis was correct. If the hypothesis is incorrect their theory is wrong. There has been no experimentation that has proven the theory. Now of course no real world experiments can be done concerning weather predictions but hypothesis can still be made and the results analyzed. So far none of the hypothesis have been correct. All of the computer models meant to predict the climate have been grossly inaccurate therefore the theory is wrong. It is that simple.
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Scientific theories are based on observations and careful measurement of the facts, and …

the facts are that the globe is warming, the poles are melting, ocean levels and temperature are rising, the weather is experiencing wilder and wilder fluctuations etc, etc.

According to careful scientific measurement and observations,none of those changes can be attributed to solar activity, cosmic rays, volcanic activity, the Milankovitch cycle, El Niño, AL GORE nor a plethora of other real or imagined climatological drivers conservatives are constantly dreaming up to justify the facts…

Therefore,given the above mentioned facts and by the simple process of elimination, we can accurately conclude that the fact of global warming must be attributed to the fact that man made greenhouse gases are living up to their name.

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Jan 13, 2014
 
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Scientific theories are based on observations and careful measurement of the facts, and …
the facts are that the globe is warming, the poles are melting, ocean levels and temperature are rising, the weather is experiencing wilder and wilder fluctuations etc, etc
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Wilder and wilder fluctuations compared to when? How do you know what kind of climatic fluctutions occured 5 million years ago?
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According to careful scientific measurement and observations,none of those changes can be attributed to solar activity, cosmic rays, volcanic activity, the Milankovitch cycle, El Niño, AL GORE nor a plethora of other real or imagined climatological drivers conservatives are constantly dreaming up to justify the facts…
Hogwash. Our climate system is much too complex for anyone to make that type of determination. Show me which scientific studies show without a doubt that man made CO2 is sole cause of the warming that ceased over 15 years ago.
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Therefore,given the above mentioned facts and by the simple process of elimination, we can accurately conclude that the fact of global warming must be attributed to the fact that man made greenhouse gases are living up to their name.
You seem to forget the fact that the science of climate and weather is very complex and unpredictable. If science does not have enough info to correctly predict what will occur with our weather or climate then the science is incomplete and they certainly do not have enough knowledge to state categorically that any warming was due to one miniscule green house gas in our atmosphere.
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Jan 13, 2014
 
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Scientific theories are based on observations and careful measurement of the facts, and …
the facts are that the globe is warming, the poles are melting, ocean levels and temperature are rising, the weather is experiencing wilder and wilder fluctuations etc, etc.
According to careful scientific measurement and observations,none of those changes can be attributed to solar activity, cosmic rays, volcanic activity, the Milankovitch cycle, El Niño, AL GORE nor a plethora of other real or imagined climatological drivers conservatives are constantly dreaming up to justify the facts…
Therefore,given the above mentioned facts and by the simple process of elimination, we can accurately conclude that the fact of global warming must be attributed to the fact that man made greenhouse gases are living up to their name.
Factual, Logical and Reasonable Gramps. Something the deniers can't comprehend nor understand. Thanks for the excellent post though.
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Sam Lowree wrote:
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Wilder and wilder fluctuations compared to when? How do you know what kind of climatic fluctutions occured 5 million years ago?
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Hogwash. Our climate system is much too complex for anyone to make that type of determination. Show me which scientific studies show without a doubt that man made CO2 is sole cause of the warming that ceased over 15 years ago.
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You seem to forget the fact that the science of climate and weather is very complex and unpredictable. If science does not have enough info to correctly predict what will occur with our weather or climate then the science is incomplete and they certainly do not have enough knowledge to state categorically that any warming was due to one miniscule green house gas in our atmosphere.
Exactly correct Sam. A "polar vortex" was supposed to have exactly the opposite effect on the U.S. But of course, the experts have now stated that the frigid U.S. temps. are a result of this "polar vortex".
At some point, these experts must admit that they understand the climate "big picture" about as much as the experts who once beleived the world to be flat. They simply do not have all of the data.....and they freely admit that "they don't know what they don't know". Lmao..........you cannot make this stuff up.
In the meantime, citizens MUST push these global warmist experts to continue to make their faulty weather/climate predictions before social policy is changed any further.
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<quoted text>Factual, Logical and Reasonable Gramps. Something the deniers can't comprehend nor understand. Thanks for the excellent post though.
And your opinion of the global warming experts who logically, and factually, sailed up into an ice trap through incorrect assumptions? Any reasonable person should be questioning the expertise of these ice bound "experts".
Unless you are unable, or unwilling to comprehend logic and facts......and...... you enjoy kissing ole socialists arse.
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Sam Lowree wrote:
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Wilder and wilder fluctuations compared to when? How do you know what kind of climatic fluctutions occured 5 million years ago?
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Five million year old fluctuation do not matter, they were caused by the prevailing conditions of that climatological epoch, but…

instead we ought to be concerned with what is causing the current fluctuations.
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Sam Lowree wrote:
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Hogwash. Our climate system is much too complex for anyone to make that type of determination. Show me which scientific studies show without a doubt that man made CO2 is sole cause of the warming that ceased over 15 years ago.
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No one claims that "man made CO2 is sole cause of the warming." but CO2 is the LEADING driver currently causing the global warming, I don't know where….

you came up with the harebrained notion that "warming ceased over 15 years ago" when science tells us that "the global surface warming trend for 1997-2012 is approximately .11 to .12 C per decade"
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You seem to forget the fact that the science of climate and weather is very complex and unpredictable. If science does not have enough info to correctly predict what will occur with our weather or climate then the science is incomplete and they certainly do not have enough knowledge to state categorically that any warming was due to one miniscule green house gas in our atmosphere.
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Many sciences are "very complex and unpredictable" and many appear to fly in the face of common sense, but very few folks are brainwashed to the point where their ideology forces them to challenge the scientific ambiguities, except when it comes to AGW. That's where…

those who stand to lose the most money spend oodles of dollars to misinform and mislead the nonthinking conservative masses into denying accepted scientific facts.
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GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Many sciences are "very complex and unpredictable" and many appear to fly in the face of common sense, but very few folks are brainwashed to the point where their ideology forces them to challenge the scientific ambiguities, except when it comes to AGW. That's where…
those who stand to lose the most money spend oodles of dollars to misinform and mislead the nonthinking conservative masses into denying accepted scientific facts.
Very well stated, GRANDPA. There's really no use arguing with these guys. Sam believes there's absolutely no evidence of AGW, and Loco shouts that local, short-term weather is the same as global long-term climate.

Even repub politicians used to accept the science-- until their campaign donors and ALEC decided to make AGW a political issue.

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GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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No one claims that "man made CO2 is sole cause of the warming." but CO2 is the LEADING driver currently causing the global warming
I don't know where you are getting your info from. Where is the undeniable proof for your statement?

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Many sciences are "very complex and unpredictable" and many appear to fly in the face of common sense,
Which scientific theories are believed to be indisputable with no empirical evidence to support the theory?
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those who stand to lose the most money spend oodles of dollars to misinform and mislead the nonthinking conservative masses into denying accepted scientific facts.
The only ones who stand to lose money are the scientists who depend on government money for their research. Honest scientists will question even their own theories and results while the AGW scientists want the debate shut down.
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I don't know where you are getting your info from. Where is the undeniable proof for your statement?
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The undeniable proof is in the fact that the global temperature is creeping up and not even the AGW deniers can't show what else other then man made CO2 account for the degree of warming.

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