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GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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No one ever said that: "before the industrial revolution these devastating natural occurrences did not happen…" the only difference is scientists can tell you precisely why those things happened in the past, just as they are telling us today that it is man made CO2 that is forcing the Earth to retain the heat, and you guys keep on parroting something that…
the early cave men discovered,"it's the sun! it's the sun! the sun is warming the Earth! blah blah blah…"
Well, if you think about it carefully, the question is not what is actually heating the Earth but the real issue is what is it that is causing the Earth to RETAIN THE EXCESS HEAT instead of radiating it back into space.
Another great post... but I'm sure that your last sentence, "the question is not what is actually heating the Earth but the real issue is what is it that is causing the Earth to RETAIN THE EXCESS HEAT instead of radiating it back into space."...

went right over their heads.
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Glo Bull Warming LOL wrote:
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I only hate naive, stupid, and lies! And that is you... and your regressive liberal ilk.
How is your cigarette butt dilema going? Has it completely destroyed this Earth? Before glo bull warming???
No it is you libs who are the pathetic little miserable lilliputians!!!
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If you "only hate naive, stupid and lies" then just go ahead and have another wonderful day hating yourself!
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Yes, of course. The vast majority of climate scientists studying climate change over the past 40 years are all part of a huge commie conspiracy. They've falsified measurements and somehow forced the oceans to rise and the polar ice to melt just to further the Marxist agenda.
They've huddled together with Al Gore and with the ghosts of Stalin and Lenin to orchestrate this most magnificent conspiracy.
And the only objective spokesmen, countering this huge conspiracy, are people supported by Heartland, Heritage, and the Big Energy companies. Clearly the oil companies are completely objective, and have no reason to try to disparage AGW.
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Our lives will not be so 'leisurely' as we experience food shortages, coastal flooding, droughts and extreme hurricanes.
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Excellent post SOLUTION!

Scientists begun suspecting that upping the concentration of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere could bring about climate change back in the 1800's.

http://www.aip.org/history/climate/timeline.h...

Therefore it never ceases to amaze when all these t baggers claim that AL GORE somehow managed to corrupt the entire world's scientific community to buy into this so called AGW plot.

Blaming AGW on Al GORE and so called Socialists has got to be some sort of a right wing meme , probably started by Rush Limbaugh and mindlessly propagated by the ditto heads, after all….

no one could possibly be so stupid as to really believe that AL GORE could have hoodwinked the entire world's scientific community.

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Yes, in 1999 USA Today did a study regarding crashes and deaths for the years from 1975 to 1999. Most of the crash deaths were single car accidents or from crashes with other smaller cars. The percentage of deaths stemming from crashes with large cars was 1%.
Would you rather hit a tree in a Smart car or in a Ford F150?
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The World Health Organization (WHO) describes air pollution as “a major environmental risk to health” and has estimated that it causes about 2 million premature deaths worldwide each year. An article published in the British medical journal Lancet found that living in a polluted city increases the risk for heart attacks to a point where it resembles the risk for cocaine use.
A WHO report published in 2011 determined that air pollution levels in some Asian cities that exceed the organization’s air quality guidelines result in more than 530,000 premature deaths each year — orders of magnitude higher than any death rate from lighter cars"
The WHO reports are dubious at best. I don't see any data. How did pollution kill all these poor souls? Was it respiratory, blood contamination or some other way?
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And, of course, their shills-- Limbaugh, Watts, Heritage, Fox News-- and you.
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Well, it would certainly be a counter balance to googling how "AGW is a vast communist conspiracy".
Typical non thinking liberal blaming all the ills of the world on Limbaugh and the Koch brothers. Pitiful.

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Yes, of course. The vast majority of climate scientists studying climate change over the past 40 years are all part of a huge commie conspiracy. They've falsified measurements and somehow forced the oceans to rise and the polar ice to melt just to further the Marxist agenda.

Obviously you aren't keeping up with the Climategate debacle. Yes, they have fudged the numbers and used data from weather stations that was proven to be inaccurate. Gore played you guys like fools, he got very wealthy selling the AGW scam.

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Our lives will not be so 'leisurely' as we experience food shortages, coastal flooding, droughts and extreme hurricanes.
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And when are all these catastrophes going to hit? If the science is settled as you AGW guys are always telling us the predictions of these catastrophic events should be easy.

Oh yeah, none of the predictions have been realized. Remember the prediction that the Arctic would be ice free by now? How about the one about increased hurricane activity due to AGW after hurricane Sandy? Just the opposite happened. And you wonder why no one believes the AGW catastrophic predictions.

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"Science changed dramatically in the 1970s, when the reward structure in the profession began to revolve around the acquisition of massive amounts of taxpayer funding that was external to the normal budgets of the universities and federal laboratories. In climate science, this meant portraying the issue in dire terms, often in alliance with environmental advocacy organizations. Predictably, scientists (and their institutions) became addicted to the wealth, fame, and travel in the front of the airplane:

“A new and rewarding research lifestyle emerged which involved the giving of advice to all types and levels of government, the broadcasting of unchallengeable opinion to the general public, and easy justification for attendance at international conferences—this last in some luxury by normal scientific experience, and at a frequency previously unheard of.”

Every incentive reinforced this behavior, as the self-selected community of climate boffins now began to speak for both science and in the service of drastic regulatory policies. In the measured tones of the remarkably lucid and precise writer that he is, Paltridge explains how the corner got painted:

“The trap was fully sprung when many of the world’s major national academies of science (such as the Royal Society in the UK, the National Academy of Sciences in the USA and the Australian Academy of Science) persuaded themselves to issue reports giving support to the conclusions of the IPCC [the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change]. The reports were touted as national assessments that were supposedly independent of the IPCC and of each other, but of necessity were compiled with the assistance of, and in some cases at the behest of, many of the scientists involved in the IPCC international machinations. In effect, the academies, which are the most prestigious of the institutions of science, formally nailed their colours to the mast of the politically correct.

Since that time three or four years ago, there has been no comfortable way for the scientific community to raise the spectre of serious uncertainty about the forecasts of climatic disaster.”

Every year that elapses without a significant warming trend more and more erodes the credibility of not just climate science, but science in general:

“In the light of all this, we have at least to consider the possibility that the scientific establishment behind the global warming issue has been drawn into the trap of seriously overstating the climate problem—or, what is much the same thing, of seriously understating the uncertainties associated with the climate problem—in its effort to promote the cause. It is a particularly nasty trap in the context of science, because it risks destroying, perhaps for centuries to come, the unique and hard-won reputation for honesty which is the basis of society’s respect for scientific endeavour.”[emphasis added]"

http://www.forbes.com/sites/patrickmichaels/2...
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If you "only hate naive, stupid and lies" then just go ahead and have another wonderful day hating yourself!
I'm not a liberal! LOL

The Psychology of the Self-Hating Liberal
http://www.americanthinker.com/2007/01/post_1...
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Glo Bull Warming LOL wrote:
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I'm not a liberal! LOL
The Psychology of the Self-Hating Liberal
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Of course you are no liberal…

You already proved you are not bright enough to think for yourself and be a liberal! LMAO
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Sam Lowree wrote:
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Would you rather hit a tree in a Smart car or in a Ford F150?
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The WHO reports are dubious at best. I don't see any data. How did pollution kill all these poor souls? Was it respiratory, blood contamination or some other way?
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Typical non thinking liberal blaming all the ills of the world on Limbaugh and the Koch brothers. Pitiful.
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By definition, a "smart car" will not hit a tree, but the same thing can not be said for the dummy behind an F150's wheel…

It is no surprising that you would see the WHO report as dubious because anything that goes counter conservative ideology engenders a strong feeling of cognitive dissonance in empty conservative heads.

Only right wing nuts give credence to Limbaugh and consider the Koch brothers to be humanitarians...
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Of course you are no liberal…
You already proved you are not bright enough to think for yourself and be a liberal! LMAO
Well, that is LMAO! From an inept I need oblamer to DICTATE my every move, self hating liberal!
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Of course you are no liberal…
You already proved you are not bright enough to think for yourself and be a liberal! LMAO
And just how much thought is needed to hate your very existance???

And how is the cigarette butt destroying the earth faster than glo bull warming thing going??? grand baby nicoliar!
ROTFLMAO at you! You libs are so beyond pathetic!!!
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And when are all these catastrophes going to hit? If the science is settled as you AGW guys are always telling us the predictions of these catastrophic events should be easy.
Oh yeah, none of the predictions have been realized. Remember the prediction that the Arctic would be ice free by now? How about the one about increased hurricane activity due to AGW after hurricane Sandy? Just the opposite happened. And you wonder why no one believes the AGW catastrophic predictions.
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I don't know about what your definition of a "catastrophe" is but humanity and wildlife has been experiencing world wide "catastrophes" in the form of unseasonable weather events brought to us courtesy of AGW.

You can stick your head in the sand and foolishly insists such events have occurred in the past but that will not explain the unseasonable weather we have been experiencing for the last few years...
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Glo Bull Warming LOL wrote:
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Well, that is LMAO! From an inept I need oblamer to DICTATE my every move, self hating liberal!
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It's the other way around…

every time President OBAMA says or does something all you conservative fools jump up and down like puppets on a string, that would imply that President OBAMA dictates all your moves…ROTFLMAO
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Sam Lowree wrote:
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And when are all these catastrophes going to hit? If the science is settled as you AGW guys are always telling us the predictions of these catastrophic events should be easy.
Global climate science can only give us general forecasts. AGW scientists have never said that they can give day-to-day weather forecasts.

But we are seeing, over time, extreme weather events, rising sea waters and flooding, severe droughts, and so on.
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<Oh yeah, none of the predictions have been realized. Remember the prediction that the Arctic would be ice free by now?


Did ALL of the climate scientists claim that the Arctic would be ice free by now? I don't think so. Who was the scientist saying that the Arctic would be ice free by now? And did he say he guaranteed it, or did he just say that it 'might'.

But the Arctic IS losing sea ice dramatically. This is an easily verifiable event. Have the deniers tried to dispute this fact?

"But the Arctic is certainly losing ice dramatically. "The Arctic is losing about 30,000 square miles (78,000 square kilometers)— an area roughly equivalent to the state of Maine — of sea ice each year, NASA scientists say. And while ice cover at the North Pole has rebounded from last year's record-setting lows, Arctic sea ice continues to retreat and thin at an alarming pace." http://www.livescience.com/39147-arctic-sea-i...
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<How about the one about increased hurricane activity due to AGW after hurricane Sandy? Just the opposite happened. And you wonder why no one believes the AGW catastrophic predictions.
The huge and extreme Hurricane Sandy, which destroyed the NORTH Eastern part of our country, is certainly congruent with the projections made by real climate scientists. Extreme weather. And how about Super Typhoon Haiyan, which hit the Phillipines in November?
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Sam Lowree wrote:
"Science changed dramatically in the 1970s, when the reward structure in the profession began to revolve around the acquisition of massive amounts of taxpayer funding that was external to the normal budgets of the universities and federal laboratories. In climate science, this meant portraying the issue in dire terms, often in alliance with environmental advocacy organizations. Predictably, scientists (and their institutions) became addicted to the wealth, fame, and travel in the front of the airplane:
Of course scientists need funding in order to do their research. Most of us don't have the money and resources to do this complex and expensive research as a hobby.

But why do you believe that all of these scientists-- who you see as selling their scientific souls just to keep their jobs-- why would all of these scientists falsify measurements and lie about their research to be pro-AGW?

After all, the republican party-- half of our electorate-- doesn't accept AGW. Their donors (pimps) don't like AGW. In repub states on the eastern coast the politicians crossed out every reference about global warming from the reports given to them by their state- paid scientists. These repub politicians wanted to call their rising coastal sea levels "recurrent flooding", ignoring why the sea water was continually rising.

So, why do you automatically believe that scientists are politically motivated to falsely shape their climate studies to be pro-AGW. If all they cared about was keeping their jobs, wouldn't at least half of these scientists try to skew their findings to show that AGW doesn't exist?

Most of the so-called fame, wealth, and and notoriety is heaped at the very small anti-AGW sell-outs, not to the true scientists just trying to do their jobs.
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Sam and Loco have both stated their real fear-- that AGW is a vast conspiracy. They've taken the science and have tried to make it political.

And so NO evidence will ever persuade them otherwise.
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It's the other way around…
every time President OBAMA says or does something all you conservative fools jump up and down like puppets on a string, that would imply that President OBAMA dictates all your moves…ROTFLMAO
There's no "jumping up and down, nicoliar.
There is only pointing at the liar that oblamer truly is! oblamers body language and stupid laughing during the super bowl interview? It was so obvious that our President is beyond any doubt, just like you, and most all liberals, a pathological liar!
What a terrible feeling to know that the one running/ruining these Untied States, lies every time the dirt bag opens its disgusting mouth... and then to top it off? There are the imbecile lemmings like you grand baby nicoliar, who believe and worship every lie from the dirt bag running/ruining this, now, because of this dirt bag oblamer, the Un-United States of America.
Liberalism, the mental disorder has destroyed this once free and independant nation, and turned it into a Nation of wanna be victims, parasites and low life losers called liberal regressives, that can't even wipe their own pathetic butts with out direction from some government entity telling them how and when to do so!!!
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Glo Bull Warming LOL wrote:
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There's no "jumping up and down, nicoliar.
There is only pointing at the liar that oblamer truly is! oblamers body language and stupid laughing during the super bowl interview? It was so obvious that our President is beyond any doubt, just like you, and most all liberals, a pathological liar!
What a terrible feeling to know that the one running/ruining these Untied States, lies every time the dirt bag opens its disgusting mouth... and then to top it off? There are the imbecile lemmings like you grand baby nicoliar, who believe and worship every lie from the dirt bag running/ruining this, now, because of this dirt bag oblamer, the Un-United States of America.
Liberalism, the mental disorder has destroyed this once free and independant nation, and turned it into a Nation of wanna be victims, parasites and low life losers called liberal regressives, that can't even wipe their own pathetic butts with out direction from some government entity telling them how and when to do so!!!
Wow. I'm glad these Topix aren't face-to-face or I'd have to wipe off the spittle thrown from your frothing mouth.

Just back from a revival meeting?
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Wow. I'm glad these Topix aren't face-to-face or I'd have to wipe off the spittle thrown from your frothing mouth.
Just back from a revival meeting?
That's not at all why you cowards are glad that these aren't face to face!
And only a oblamer lemming like you pollution, would call the truth about you lemmings as...
" spittle thrown from your frothing mouth." But as always, when confronted with the truth??? You revert to your HYPOCRITE childish attacks, you are such a pathetic cowardly little lemming! LMFAO at you!
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Wow. I'm glad these Topix aren't face-to-face or I'd have to wipe off the spittle thrown from your frothing mouth.
Just back from a revival meeting?
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Revival meeting???

I think he is possessed by some evil spirits and needs to have the living devil exorcised out of him...

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