Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,820

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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“Vita e' Bella.”

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#204704 Jul 25, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
If I understand things correctly, here's where we stand:
Pietro--believes that since same-sex couples are not able to consummate their marriage with reproductive sex,
Coitus.
then their marriage is invalid.
Pietro believes marriage is a union of husband and wife, and that said union should recognized, privileged, and soley legally maintained, as such. Same sex marriage is a contradiction in terms, marriage is a union of both sexes.
He also believes that polygamy and incest should be legalized since same-sex marriage is legal.
He is puzzled by SSM advocates who insist that conjugality is expendable, but monogamy is not. Perhaps the all powerful and wise Big D, or his sidekick Big Red, could explain this.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#204705 Jul 25, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Now we're getting even sillier. As if we weren't silly enough around here.
We all suck. "Who among us doesn't suck?" -Frankie Rizzo
Oh I was just referencing gravity jokes, we are all affected by it and in fact have gravity of our own.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#204706 Jul 25, 2013
Amy wrote:
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Oh, the poor thing...
The Missus thanks you for your concern.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#204707 Jul 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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In all those cases, apart from age and medical conditions, the possibility of consummation is there.
For ss couples? Never.
The same is true about children.
Ss couples are 100% mutually barren.
Consummation is just another profound example of the differences between ss couples and marriage.
The absolute inability to connect the past and the future of humanity in the moment of marriage union.
Admit it, VV, ss couples are disqualified. ALWAYS.
There is no expectation of procreation in order to get a marriage license.

There is no expectation of consummation in order to get a marriage license.

Wrong on both counts

I know veterans that have lost the lower half of their bodies that could not in any way procreate or consummate that were married. There is no such expectation, and they had no difficulty obtaining a marriage license, and are now married.

Your eyes are still tightly closed to the fact that same sex couples are legally married and recognized as such on both the state and federal level.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#204708 Jul 25, 2013
well wrote:
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Human beings!!! Living, breathing people with hearts, souls and feelings. I know that is hard for you to understand because you seem to have no heart.
For someone who was supposedly a Pastor you should be ashamed of yourself!
I see human beings living in severe denial, trying to build a fallacy on the backs of marriage, family and children.

The most caring thing I can do is confront that denial as severely as necessary.

I simply point out unchangeable realities. Think about what you are asking people to do.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#204709 Jul 25, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Are you willing to have the following marriages annulled:
--Marriages involving elderly couples who are incapable due to age or medical problems to engage in reproductive intercourse
No, because the couple is still husband and wife.
--Marriages involving one or both members who have a mental impairment (depression, PTSD, anxiety/panic, etc.), keeping them from consummating for reproductive purposes.
No, because the couple is still husband and wife.
--Marriages involving one or both members who have physical problems that impair them from engaging in intercourse for reproductive purposes. Examples would include war injuries, diabetes, various cancers, etc.
No, because the couple is still husband and wife.
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By the way, annulment happens when a married person seeks to have their marriage ended. The government doesn't go on witch hunts looking for marriages to be annulled.
No but it does provide certain grounds for annulment.
As with a couple's reproductive intentions, the government doesn't hand out marriage certificates based on a full physical and psychological examination indicating that both people seeking a license are capable of consummating their marriage.
Nor does it require a statement of orientation indicating attractiveness , or lack there of, to the other party.
Bottom line, it's just another distraction. None of your business what goes on in a legally married couple's bedroom. Just move along.
Then petition the state to have any, and all references to sex, sexual intercourse, removed from the books.
I know how hard that it is for you to keep yourselves out of other people's affairs, but try to.
With your fascination with anal sex and Pietro's fascination with reproductive consummation, you guys are beginning to creep the rest of us out.
Me too....you keep insisting there's no differences between SSCs, and OSCs, that somehow every aspect of marriage jurisprudence applies to SSM.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#204710 Jul 25, 2013
Big D wrote:
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I know veterans that have lost the lower half of their bodies that could not in any way procreate or consummate that were married. There is no such expectation, and they had no difficulty obtaining a marriage license, and are now married.
Do you really? How many?

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“Vita e' Bella.”

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#204711 Jul 25, 2013
Big D wrote:
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There is no expectation of procreation in order to get a marriage license.
Having children is a primary purpose of marriage. Heup v. Heup (Was. 1969) 172 N.W.2d 334, 336

[M]arriage exists as a protected legal institution primarily because of societal values associated with the propagation of the human race. Singer v. Hara (Wash. App. 1974) 522 P.2d 1187, 1195.
There is no expectation of consummation in order to get a marriage license.
Just one man, and one woman, in thirty plus states.
I know veterans that have lost the lower half of their bodies that could not in any way procreate or consummate that were married. There is no such expectation, and they had no difficulty obtaining a marriage license, and are now married.
As long as they entered into a legally recognized u ion of husband and wife, valid in all fifty states, they are married.
Your eyes are still tightly closed to the fact that same sex couples are legally married and recognized as such on both the state and federal level.
But treated, and acknowledged as different. A veggie patty is now a "burger". A man can be a lesbian too.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#204712 Jul 25, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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Endless yammering about nonexistent things doesn't alter the fact that I'm still married, and you're baby mill marriage isn't given any special standing. Not a damn thing you can do about it!!
Smile.
And men can be lesbians, veggie patties are "burgers". And to think, at one time a "gay man" was defined as a womanizer. Embrace your inner womanizer Joanie.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#204713 Jul 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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In all those cases, apart from age and medical conditions, the possibility of consummation is there.
For ss couples? Never.
The same is true about children.
Ss couples are 100% mutually barren.
Consummation is just another profound example of the differences between ss couples and marriage.
The absolute inability to connect the past and the future of humanity in the moment of marriage union.
Admit it, VV, ss couples are disqualified. ALWAYS.
You know, maybe your marriage doesn't live up to what we believe it should be.

You've never had to fight tooth and nail to get your marriage recognized. You've never had to endure the possible loss of family, friends, employment; all in order to be with the person you love.

My guess is that if you had to do these things, most of you straight bigots would probably just shack up and avoid the inconveniences.

Your marriage will never mean as much as the marriage between two people of the same gender.

You spend billions each year on ridiculous weddings--with $3000 white gowns signifying "purity". Most of the time when a bride comes prancing down the aisle in a white dress, it's all the guests can do to keep a straight face.

Then you turn around and spend almost as much divorcing as you did on marrying.

Oh, and let's not forget about the 40,000,000 babies you guys abort each year. Your children are SO important to you! Tell me, Kim, is abortion also a "cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior"?

Those kids who do happen to make it out of the sacred birth canal; about one in three end up in a home where the father is absent.

You're right... Same-sex couples are very much unlike you. If we have children, it's because we wanted them. We fight through very strict adoption processes in order to have them. I'd lay odds that the percentage of intact same-sex families WAY outnumber the percentage of intact opposite-sex families.

We want our marriages. We want our families.

Your marriages will never equal same-sex marriages.

(see how easy it is to turn things around on you?)
well

Round Lake, IL

#204717 Jul 25, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
I see human beings living in severe denial, trying to build a fallacy on the backs of marriage, family and children.
The most caring thing I can do is confront that denial as severely as necessary.
I simply point out unchangeable realities. Think about what you are asking people to do.
Bullshit! You are here primarily because you have a fear and hatred of gay men...you don't seem to have a problem with lesbians. You have spent a few years lying about why you are here. Why not try to be honest for a change?

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#204718 Jul 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Having children is a primary purpose of marriage. Heup v. Heup (Was. 1969) 172 N.W.2d 334, 336
[M]arriage exists as a protected legal institution primarily because of societal values associated with the propagation of the human race. Singer v. Hara (Wash. App. 1974) 522 P.2d 1187, 1195.
<quoted text>
Just one man, and one woman, in thirty plus states.
<quoted text>
As long as they entered into a legally recognized u ion of husband and wife, valid in all fifty states, they are married.
<quoted text>
But treated, and acknowledged as different. A veggie patty is now a "burger". A man can be a lesbian too.
You report: Having children is a primary purpose of marriage. Heup v. Heup (Was. 1969) 172 N.W.2d 334, 336

I say that this sentence indicates that while having children may be ONE of the primary purposes of marriage, it IS NOT the only purpose of marriage. It's disingenuous to portray this quote as the ONLY reason for marriage.

Same can be said with your next reference, "[M]arriage exists as a protected legal institution primarily because of societal values associated with the propagation of the human race. Singer v. Hara (Wash. App. 1974) 522 P.2d 1187, 1195.

See how the sentence uses the word "primarily"? That indicates that there are other societal values (and I would argue that there are also personal values) associated with marriage.

Here's a hint... READ what you are post before posting. Be sure that your references support your beliefs 100 percent. That way people like me won't have to correct you.

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#204719 Jul 25, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Coitus.
<quoted text>
Pietro believes marriage is a union of husband and wife, and that said union should recognized, privileged, and soley legally maintained, as such. Same sex marriage is a contradiction in terms, marriage is a union of both sexes.
<quoted text>
He is puzzled by SSM advocates who insist that conjugality is expendable, but monogamy is not. Perhaps the all powerful and wise Big D, or his sidekick Big Red, could explain this.
Because the government doesn't have an interest in "conjugality" within a marriage unless one of the people in the marriage brings the issue before a court. Polygamy and incest have both been addressed by the government. They have specifically created laws against polygamy and incest.

If you have a problem with that, then take it up with the courts.
POOF

Cambridge, IL

#204721 Jul 25, 2013
well wrote:
<quoted text>
Bullshit! You are here primarily because you have a fear and hatred of gay men...you don't seem to have a problem with lesbians. You have spent a few years lying about why you are here. Why not try to be honest for a change?
ROFLMAO, He's all about Jebus
Coined

Monrovia, CA

#204722 Jul 25, 2013
Still looking for that parking space, man?

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#204723 Jul 25, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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You report: Having children is a primary purpose of marriage. Heup v. Heup (Was. 1969) 172 N.W.2d 334, 336
I say that this sentence indicates that while having children may be ONE of the primary purposes of marriage, it IS NOT the only purpose of marriage. It's disingenuous to portray this quote as the ONLY reason for marriage.
Same can be said with your next reference, "[M]arriage exists as a protected legal institution primarily because of societal values associated with the propagation of the human race. Singer v. Hara (Wash. App. 1974) 522 P.2d 1187, 1195.
See how the sentence uses the word "primarily"? That indicates that there are other societal values (and I would argue that there are also personal values) associated with marriage.
Here's a hint... READ what you are post before posting. Be sure that your references support your beliefs 100 percent. That way people like me won't have to correct you.
The point is Big Red....take away the baby making aspect, and what left that suffices for a compelling state interest? If sex didn't make little Very Vermilions, would there be a need for "marriage"?
pico pico

Monrovia, CA

#204724 Jul 25, 2013
No it was red rooster.

“Vita e' Bella.”

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#204725 Jul 25, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Because the government doesn't have an interest in "conjugality" within a marriage unless one of the people in the marriage brings the issue before a court. Polygamy and incest have both been addressed by the government. They have specifically created laws against polygamy and incest.
If you have a problem with that, then take it up with the courts.
Conjugality as in "husband and wife", its not simply a reference to coitus.

We both know polygamy is following the blazing trail left by ssm, so why deny it? Its all one big happy marriage equally tent.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#204726 Jul 25, 2013
well wrote:
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Bullshit! You are here primarily because you have a fear and hatred of gay men...you don't seem to have a problem with lesbians. You have spent a few years lying about why you are here. Why not try to be honest for a change?
So it's 'hate' hiding behind reality.

Kind of convenient for one of us, don't you think?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

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#204727 Jul 25, 2013
POOF wrote:
<quoted text>ROFLMAO, He's all about Jebus
Oh, it's Jesus now, and not hate?

Anything else besides reality?

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