Water temps play vital role in rice h...

Water temps play vital role in rice harvest

There are 32 comments on the Chico Enterprise-Record story from Sep 25, 2009, titled Water temps play vital role in rice harvest. In it, Chico Enterprise-Record reports that:

Rice farmers near the Thermalito Afterbay have begun the process of verifying how much yield is lost in rice fields due to colder water.

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Uhhh

United States

#23 Sep 27, 2009
SJG wrote:
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How exactly is water welfare with regard to the subject?
They are asking for subsidies. Money for their "lack" of yield. That is not water. They are GETTING water.
SJG

United States

#24 Sep 27, 2009
stephens1949 wrote:
So we can agree the soil, the weather and a prior production record are all questionable to say the least. How can they be granted subsidies for an "eternity" with these few points having been established?
There isn't a thing wrong with the soil, weather or production, but nice try. You are getting away from the fact that none of what you proffered earlier had any substantive basis. Some of the highest yields in Butte County have been on the very soils you call questionable.

The cold water issue isn't necessarily limited to the 99 area. Other parts of the district have similar issues; and should be properly mitigated. This isn't a case of the rice grower effing the public like many would like to think, no matter how hard some of you would argue.

It is really too bad that the people with a dislike for farmers can't see past their own rhetoric, and see the value ag has here in the valley. Someone complained earlier about habitat being removed. Take a trip through rice country sometime, and see the raptors, water fowl, coyotes, coons, skunks, opossum, etc.. You can see Bald and Golden Eagles in the winter, a sight not seen in town. But as usual, this festering disdain is the first thing to surface.
stephens1949

Chico, CA

#25 Sep 28, 2009
Anyone else watch California's Water on channel 9 last night? The farmers down south would really like to have the cold water you all are complaining about. And wanting to get subsidies for.
If the lighter soils "perk' rate is so high that having to add compensation amounts of water is cooling the field, I do not feel compensating with subsidies is in order.
The wind blowing from the west is cooling the rice water. Please do not make me pay for that.
stephens1949

Chico, CA

#26 Sep 28, 2009
SJG wrote:
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There isn't a thing wrong with the soil, weather or production, but nice try. You are getting away from the fact that none of what you proffered earlier had any substantive basis. Some of the highest yields in Butte County have been on the very soils you call questionable.
The cold water issue isn't necessarily limited to the 99 area. Other parts of the district have similar issues; and should be properly mitigated. This isn't a case of the rice grower effing the public like many would like to think, no matter how hard some of you would argue.
It is really too bad that the people with a dislike for farmers can't see past their own rhetoric, and see the value ag has here in the valley. Someone complained earlier about habitat being removed. Take a trip through rice country sometime, and see the raptors, water fowl, coyotes, coons, skunks, opossum, etc.. You can see Bald and Golden Eagles in the winter, a sight not seen in town. But as usual, this festering disdain is the first thing to surface.
I am glad to see you say there is nothing wrong with production and those complaining are having record yields now.
I hope to see more fallowed land in wild habitat. There is just not enough.
Steve

Portland, OR

#27 Sep 28, 2009
stephens1949 wrote:
Anyone else watch California's Water on channel 9 last night? The farmers down south would really like to have the cold water you all are complaining about. And wanting to get subsidies for.
If the lighter soils "perk' rate is so high that having to add compensation amounts of water is cooling the field, I do not feel compensating with subsidies is in order.
The wind blowing from the west is cooling the rice water. Please do not make me pay for that.
Well to be honest it is enviros like yourself, Feinstein, and Pelosi who has blocked the water flows to the Central California area from the delta region, take a drive down I-5 and see what you like minded idiots have conspired to create, there are signs littering the area "Congress Created Dust Bowl".

By the way, we do not get many westerly winds around here, the prevailing winds are north and south.

Rice Farmers and farmers in general are enviros in their own right, nobody wants to apply anything to the land more than necessary, they make every attempt to farm in a way that keeps the land productive for generations, not to mention providing a large habitat in the winter for migrating birds.

It is too bad there are so many people out their who are uninformed with no knowledge of the subject matter passing judgment on farmers and how they tend their land.

The only thing you know is that they receive subsidies for something. Do you know how the subsidy system works? I think not.
SJG

Cedarville, CA

#28 Sep 28, 2009
stephens1949 wrote:
<quoted text>I am glad to see you say there is nothing wrong with production and those complaining are having record yields now.
I hope to see more fallowed land in wild habitat. There is just not enough.
Thanks for helping make my point about myopic people. You are starting to get to the point you're mixing up what is subsidized and what is not. Your lack of understanding on some issues and your pig headed ignorance on others is just short of collossal.

Of course, now we are off topic and thats what you really wanted. You don't want to talk about the reasons for the change in water temperature, you want to bash subsidies and offer up your "reasons" why there are yield losses. Well that, and some kind of vision of whatever the heck you think wild habitat is.
stephens1949

United States

#29 Sep 28, 2009
I am talking of continually having to add water to soil that is not conducive to holding water. I'm talking about the breezes that come daily down the Feather River Canyon that keeps water in the rice fields cool. I am talking in hopes of a decision that will prevent an eternal tax burden that only supports, only subsidized immoral UN-sustainable agriculture. Agriculture that produces a product unsuitable to the Japanese market because it is relatively unfit for human consumption.
stephens1949

United States

#30 Sep 28, 2009
Rice field in Butte County are a desperately poor example of conscientious preservation that is unwilling to promote wild land habitat. The government has become so engrossed in developing land for the sole purpose of tax revenue that they have resorted to cultivating the bottom land that lies between the levies OF butte Creek. Land is farmed right up to the edge of all the roads. No blocks of land are left for any animals, bird or rodents. There are no hedge rows left between large parcels, no hedge rows between individual farms. Baby ducks and pheasants are ground up by harvesters. Pheasants are raised in pens to be turned loose for city people with big bucks that want sluggish domesticated birds that are easy to shoot. All natural rice is not there for migratory birds to feed. No rice is intentional left for them to eat. Ducks and Geese go hungry and are weak and cold to sick to migrate.
stephens1949

United States

#31 Sep 28, 2009
Only maybe Lungberg Family are showing any true responsibility to nature. There Organic Long Grain is the Tops.
Steve

Kelseyville, CA

#32 Sep 28, 2009
stephens1949 wrote:
Rice field in Butte County are a desperately poor example of conscientious preservation that is unwilling to promote wild land habitat. The government has become so engrossed in developing land for the sole purpose of tax revenue that they have resorted to cultivating the bottom land that lies between the levies OF butte Creek. Land is farmed right up to the edge of all the roads. No blocks of land are left for any animals, bird or rodents. There are no hedge rows left between large parcels, no hedge rows between individual farms. Baby ducks and pheasants are ground up by harvesters. Pheasants are raised in pens to be turned loose for city people with big bucks that want sluggish domesticated birds that are easy to shoot. All natural rice is not there for migratory birds to feed. No rice is intentional left for them to eat. Ducks and Geese go hungry and are weak and cold to sick to migrate.
Your brain is rotting from your organic vegetarian diet. Do the ducks and geese tell you they are cold, weak, and hungry? What in the f&^* do you think the ducks and geese do here in the winter time? They mingle in what you call unsustainable agriculture, nibbling on conventional rice that was left behind those greedy harvesters. Do you think they only land and frolic in Lundberg's fields. Heck No. Put a cork in it you windbag, matter of fact were you the poster that was conversing with himself under two names not too long ago?
SJG

Portland, OR

#33 Sep 29, 2009
stephens1949
You are wrong about everything in post 29 and 30. You are grasping at anything that my lend credence to anything (read B-S) that you have posted. Now you're beginning to enjoy this, I know, because someone on the forum is paying attention to you and giving you the opportunity to tell everyone how you feel. I'm glad for you. It's nice that our little tete-a-tete over the last couple days has afforded you even a modicum of satisfaction.
Only maybe Lungberg Family are showing any true responsibility to nature
How so? I'm interested to here what practices separate the "Lungberg" family from say the LaMalfa family. I know from extensive research on rice production that they spell their name with a "d" and not a "g".
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#34 Sep 29, 2009
stephens1949 wrote:
Rice field in Butte County are a desperately poor example of conscientious preservation that is unwilling to promote wild land habitat. The government has become so engrossed in developing land for the sole purpose of tax revenue that they have resorted to cultivating the bottom land that lies between the levies OF butte Creek. Land is farmed right up to the edge of all the roads. No blocks of land are left for any animals, bird or rodents. There are no hedge rows left between large parcels, no hedge rows between individual farms. Baby ducks and pheasants are ground up by harvesters. Pheasants are raised in pens to be turned loose for city people with big bucks that want sluggish domesticated birds that are easy to shoot. All natural rice is not there for migratory birds to feed. No rice is intentional left for them to eat. Ducks and Geese go hungry and are weak and cold to sick to migrate.
W T F ? That post is so far away from reality, I hope you can find your way back...

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