Chico Farmers Market
Steve

United States

#41 Sep 12, 2013
sad about war wrote:
Sorry Rambo if you lost your sense of humor when you were deployed in our nation's ongoing financial/oil wars. Many young people, such as yourself, get tricked into fighting wars, and getting killed for the sake of old white people; I sadly know it happens to many.
Not everyone agrees going to other countries and killing otherwise innocent people who've never harmed us "To teach 'someone' a lesson" is a good idea. The American people are beginning to wake up and ask "Is all this killing necessary?"
And it appears about 60% of the American people feel this way. If a stupid 20 year old wants to run off and be a hero there's no way to stop it. But I'll tell you right now: "You are NOT killing in MY name but in the name of investment bankers and Wall Street money makers.
At least I'm not afraid to say it, but look at how damaged vets are being treated and you'll see what those old white people, bankers and Wall Street players REALLY think of you.
You did what you thought you had to do (for whatever personal reasons) and felt good about it.....great. But just because you were allowed to go out and make your own mistakes doesn't make you smarter than everyone else; in fact because of your chosen profession (killing others) you generally come out "dumbed out." Too bad, but true. Too bad they didn't tell you this before you signed up.
Do you hear of others claiming special knowledge or rights because "I was a mathematician for 15 years" or "I drilled oil wells for a living?" NO!
IT WAS THEIR CHOICE and they live with it, as you should.
So get over yourself and try to reintegrate the best you can. And stop throwing around your "service record" and work on acquiring new skills (not too much use for trained killers these days.
"IT WAS THEIR CHOICE and they live with it, as you should." Not true for those who were drafted as all males upon their 18th birthday are required to register with Selective Service.
Chico School Teacher

United States

#42 Sep 12, 2013
After reading the irresponsible comments on here directed towards Americas Service Men and Women I for one completely support a push for new decision makers regarding "Our" Market.
Downtown Business Owner

United States

#43 Sep 12, 2013
I have been in business in downtown Chico for years. So far I have stayed out if the Market/Business Owner feud. Game over on that one though. I will not support anyone that speaks poorly of our veterans!

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#44 Sep 12, 2013
sad about war wrote:
<quoted text>
Did you know we have fewer racists here than in Atlanta? What ARE you doing about racial issues in YOUR city?
Well, since Atlanta has a black majority, I am pretty certain it is a more racist town than Atlanta.

As for what I do about racial issues? I treat everyone the same, I try and be kind, and if someone needs help, I am there. Basically it is called being human.
Chico Native

Chico, CA

#45 Sep 12, 2013
I was born at enloe hospital. I have family buried in this county going back to the gold rush. I am also a veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan. Needless to say, I have a vetted interest in this community. So, to the ignorant comments I have read on this forum I say to you, "Your Welcome." That's right, I sacrificed my own freedoms so you can express your own(however misguided) in a free country. That aside I think the point has been lost. This is about making a better market experience for EVERYONE. Vendor, Business owner, and most importantly the Community. POLITICS DON'T MATTER. The original question remains the same. How do we go about doing this?
Bee Keeper

Chico, CA

#46 Sep 13, 2013
Rambo wrote:
I would like to hear from Vendors, Farmers, hopeful future vendors of Chicos Saturday Market, as well as downtown business owners. I would like to know what changes you feel need to be made that will benifit added revenue opportunity for downtown business owners, added revenue oppertunities for market Vendors / Farmers, hopeful future vendors that aren't in the current market, and most importantly the citizens of Chico who love the market experience. If you wouldn't change a thing that is ok to, just let us know why.
AS to your question.

1) Rent: I think the market should go to a percentage of sales for rent. This is used in other markets such as Davis and helps to pay for capital improvements and program costs. Those who benefit the mot help the most.

2) Pricing: As you know the market controls competition and customers pay a premium here in Chico. More producers at market will create free market pricing. This will lower Chico prices about 25% and ride the market of price fixing. The reason for all the non ag vendors is to keep the pricing high for a select few.

3) Politics: I for one would like to see the politics out of the market. This will give all the stakeholders room sort out how the market can serve downtown...instead of downtown serving the market.

4) I like the idea of Saturday Small and Sunday really large. I know Chico has the customer base for this and Sunday markets do very well everywhere. I'm sure we can find enough growers to replace those who think their Sunday is more important than a Downtown merchants entire livelihood. Yes Saturdays are critical to some business... not farmers markets.

And thank you for stepping up. I'm very excited that a third party management team might deliver hat the last 10 years failed to do.

Lets us know how to help

Rick

United States

#47 Sep 13, 2013
Chico Native wrote:
I was born at enloe hospital. I have family buried in this county going back to the gold rush. I am also a veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan. Needless to say, I have a vetted interest in this community. So, to the ignorant comments I have read on this forum I say to you, "Your Welcome." That's right, I sacrificed my own freedoms so you can express your own(however misguided) in a free country. That aside I think the point has been lost. This is about making a better market experience for EVERYONE. Vendor, Business owner, and most importantly the Community. POLITICS DON'T MATTER. The original question remains the same. How do we go about doing this?
Tell us more. What does your hospital of birth have to do with improving the farmer's market ? Also," That's right, I sacrificed my own freedoms so you can express your own(however misguided) in a free country." Which freedoms were sacrificed by you and how did that allow someone to express their opinion on the Farmer's Market ?
Market Facts

Chico, CA

#48 Sep 14, 2013
Chico Farmers Market wrote:
Our family doesn't work on Sundays. I feel it's unfair to suggest others give up their Sundays to sell when Saturday works just fine. And stores closed on Sunday give "their" owners a day of rest also.
Besides: Closing streets, set/up and tear down of barricades and manning them cost$ money, which, you'll remember, is in short supply just now.
And I'd be willing to give odds if this was done you'd have an entire "boatload" of shop owners complaining about lost places parking near their establishments.
Good try....no cigar.
I wonder where Mountain view finds the farmers for Sunday ? and the customers. According to CCFM this wont work.. what gives ?

http://cafarmersmkts.com/farmers-markets

Fact: Sunday Markets can be bigger and be good for downtown.

Mountain View Farmers' Market
Sundays, 9am - 1pm. Consistently award-winning farmers' market for over 15 years and within the top 5 largest farmers' markets in California! Farm fresh fruits and vegetables in Downtown Mountain View every week, rain or shine. Mountain View farmers' market was awarded # 1 Favorite Farmers' Market in the Bay Area by the American Farmland Trust's America's Favorite Farmers' Market Contest. The Mountain View Farmers' Market was also awarded # 2 Favorite Farmers' Market in the State of California, and # 5 Favorite Large Farmers' Market in America! With over 80 farmers and food producers, you can do all of your shopping while getting to know the farm
Market Facts

Chico, CA

#49 Sep 14, 2013
Chico Farmers Market wrote:
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Don't worry about the business owners so much; they seem to be doing just fine.
While you're remembering that try to remember THIS CITY DOES NOT BELONG TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS. Or perhaps you've forgotten that??
It seems to me the people of Chico like the Farmers Market just as it is, which is why each time the city tries to shut it down or move it the people present an overriding petition to reverse the action.......how long have you lived here????? Don't you remember this repeatedly happening in the past???
In case anyone hasn't noticed this is NOT the first time the city, through ineptitude, has ruined part of the city with their "good" ideas. Let them be happy with their bloated salaries and LEAVE THE FARMERS MARKET ALONE.
Fact: You don't speak for Merchants and you don't hear those not doing fine. Because you are a greedy selfish group of farmers who wont come to the table.. You are negligent cowards and its time your reckless damage stops. Clown Stone and friends will lie to cover up the damage but it wont FIX the problem.
On the Ditch

Chico, CA

#50 Sep 14, 2013
Good bye Chris, I'm going to miss you and our long talks. RIP
bay area mopes

Chico, CA

#51 Sep 15, 2013
Market Facts wrote:
<quoted text>
I wonder where Mountain view finds the farmers for Sunday ? and the customers. According to CCFM this wont work.. what gives ?
http://cafarmersmkts.com/farmers-markets
Fact: Sunday Markets can be bigger and be good for downtown.
Mountain View Farmers' Market
Sundays, 9am - 1pm. Consistently award-winning farmers' market for over 15 years and within the top 5 largest farmers' markets in California! Farm fresh fruits and vegetables in Downtown Mountain View every week, rain or shine. Mountain View farmers' market was awarded # 1 Favorite Farmers' Market in the Bay Area by the American Farmland Trust's America's Favorite Farmers' Market Contest. The Mountain View Farmers' Market was also awarded # 2 Favorite Farmers' Market in the State of California, and # 5 Favorite Large Farmers' Market in America! With over 80 farmers and food producers, you can do all of your shopping while getting to know the farm
well if you like the way they do things in mountain view (well la-te-da)why don't you go live there? Idiot bay area mopes decide they like chico, move to chico, then try to make chico look and operate like sterile mountain view: idiots. and when you go, take your stupid plaza with you. it stinks even worse than moving the market.
Former Council Member

Woodland, CA

#52 Sep 15, 2013
Thank you to the person who finally brought this talk to public forum. I have seen some pretty good ideas put on the table by some of our Veterans, I would also like to acknowledge the professionalism they have shown even in the face of current market supporters attempts to discredit the sacrifices that all of our servicemen and women have made. I found the attacks untasteful, cowardly, and ignorant.
So Far the Veterans have laid out just enough solid ideas to make this a community discussion. They have been pretty tactful up to now which I suspec will continue. Step back for a second and take a look people. If you can you will see one of biggest moves made by a local organization in sometime. The Vetterans have laid out the base of a vision, they have been professional to a T, they have angered their opposition to the point where they publicly try to attack a single vet but in the way it was done ended up being a attack on all vets. I'm seeing the public start to get behind them who would have most likely never joined the debate.
Now, let's dig deeper. The markets lease with the city is up December14. A month after next years city council election. Some liberal council members as well as council candidates that
Are hoping to be elected or re-elected will not be able to offer any support towards the localarket management. Due to some crafty and professional approaches to this topic by our veterans it will now be political suicide for any elected official who supports a group like the current market.
With that said: who do you think controls the vote on which group runs the market? City Council, from what I hear in the council now. They are to the point Of just appointing the Veterans over the market.
I saw this. I can't believe the attackers o our veterans weren't able to read through the lines before they painted themselves into a corner.
1 point Vets
0 points downtown liberal machine
On the Ditch

Chico, CA

#53 Sep 15, 2013
bay area mopes wrote:
<quoted text>
well if you like the way they do things in mountain view (well la-te-da)why don't you go live there? Idiot bay area mopes decide they like chico, move to chico, then try to make chico look and operate like sterile mountain view: idiots. and when you go, take your stupid plaza with you. it stinks even worse than moving the market.
looking at your solution to the problem it has a few flaws. I was born here as were my parents. When I say here I mean Chico... I did move to Utah for college and NY for two years before moving back to Chico in 1984. Keep in mind the only people talking about moving the market in this forum is the propaganda machine aka CCFM.

A Sunday Market as the Veterans suggest is a solution that delivers a better downtown and a better market. A few farmers are claiming this to be unfair to them so the veterans are suggesting a
Saturday small and Sunday large. This can all happen on the current parking lot. The interesting thing is council members are on record for supporting a 25 year lease on the current lot for a Sunday market... The entire lot. But the propaganda machine spews out the parking lot developer conspiracy and other lies like its truth.

The other thing about Sunday is the Downtown food merchants and business with market synergy will benefit from a larger Sunday market and the revival of the retail base. With the remedy of Saturday parking impacts Merchants wont be fighting for market scraps because new merchants will fill the empty and bad tenant space. More shopper will be attracted to the district. The Veterans are working on solutions. CCFM is following a group of political hacks without a moral compass and refuses to work on the issues... see the difference

About the plaza. isn't that an open bed sore... lets use your suggestion and send those responsible back to wherever they came from.

Question: what are you thoughts on farmers gouging the public ? Veteran's are very concerned about fair pricing...something not
part of the core values of our current downtown PUBLIC market management.
sad about war

Chico, CA

#54 Sep 16, 2013
Chico Native wrote:
I was born at enloe hospital. I have family buried in this county going back to the gold rush. I am also a veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan. Needless to say, I have a vetted interest in this community. So, to the ignorant comments I have read on this forum I say to you, "Your Welcome." That's right, I sacrificed my own freedoms so you can express your own(however misguided) in a free country. That aside I think the point has been lost. This is about making a better market experience for EVERYONE. Vendor, Business owner, and most importantly the Community. POLITICS DON'T MATTER. The original question remains the same. How do we go about doing this?
Wow...family back to the gold rush??? And proud???? I'll have to check with some members of the peoples your relatives and their friends murdered, all the men & women, children and babies, and see how THEY feel about it as THEY are the true owners of the land. Maybe they'll have a different view of your family and your reasoning?

And while you're at it check how bidwell stole from and indentured men, women and children into slaving for him. Oh yah, there's a lot here to be proud of, for people like you.

And in the Mideast you were involved in the killing of entire families; men women children and babies as well....just like your relatives of old. Some things never change I guess, just your lies and excuses, KILLER.

The only difference is THIS time the other side has guns as well and they kicked your worthless ass OUT (as best they could, still proud?).

So you can take your welcome and stick it back there with your brains, killer.
honest politicians lie

Chico, CA

#55 Sep 16, 2013
Former Council Member wrote:
All I can say is: What a lot of hot air from one of the idiots that seem so intent on driving Chico into bankruptcy.

Why not tell everyone THE WHOLE STORY about what possessed you stupid fools to try to hide what you've done. Are you so enamored of the political life that you'll endeavor to ruin the finances of our town (for glory)?? And for what (????) a little kickback for a nephew or niece??? A few more votes from fire and cops? You slimeball; do you see what you've done???? And you have the nerve to put yourself forward as some compassionate do-gooder.....MUST BE PLANING A POLITICAL COMEBACK TO RUIN SOME MORE OF CHICO. Or perhaps I was wrong and you were just an innocent boob?

In any case politics breeds filthy animals, and Chico is no exception.
Chico Native

Chico, CA

#56 Sep 17, 2013
To Sad about war. I have some definitions for you.

Progressive - favoring or advocating progress, change, improvement, or reform, as opposed to wishing to maintain things as they are, especially in political matters: a progressive mayor.

Conservative - disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

You seem to be afraid of change so… that makes you a conservative? Oh, and by the way I find it hilarious that my character was attacked by a self styled pacifist.
Rick

Chico, CA

#57 Sep 17, 2013
Chico Native wrote:
I was born at enloe hospital. I have family buried in this county going back to the gold rush. I am also a veteran of both Iraq and Afghanistan. Needless to say, I have a vetted interest in this community. So, to the ignorant comments I have read on this forum I say to you, "Your Welcome." That's right, I sacrificed my own freedoms so you can express your own(however misguided) in a free country. That aside I think the point has been lost. This is about making a better market experience for EVERYONE. Vendor, Business owner, and most importantly the Community. POLITICS DON'T MATTER. The original question remains the same. How do we go about doing this?
Despite your family history and travels to foreign countries your vote counts as 1, the same as everyone else including those who find it difficult to obtain ID Cards.
Rambo

Hayward, CA

#58 Sep 22, 2013
Combat Veterans for Chico will be holding a Veterans Day BBQ Celebration in downtown Chico this coming Veterans Day. There will be a Obstacle Course for Children along with a visit from a very special WWII Veteran who survived being held in a Nazi POW Camp. This hero was born and raised here in the North State, went to war, came home, and has had a positive impact on his community since. More details to come...
One of the many

Paradise, CA

#59 Jan 27, 2014
Wow, the big difference is the real facts getting out there, the Saturday market has a platform every Saturday to spread false and misleading information.
When the public learns the other side of the story they are quite surprised at how childish their arguments are. I am one of the many not the few businesses
That have issues with the market. If they would spend even half of the effort working on these issues as the have trying to dispute them we would all benefit.
Deciding not to attend the ad hoc group put together by the city is just childish. What were you afraid of that your allegations against the businesses and the city would be found to be utter b.s..
What it's all about is expansion to take the full lot a loss of at least 40 additional spots. I say let the DCBA take it over they know how to work with businesses
Instead of against them there main goal is a healthy downtown which is good for all. Change is good not bad.
Taxpayer

Oroville, CA

#60 Jan 27, 2014
The DCBA says that the market doesn't work in the retail area of downtown. They'd have it moved to a corner with no other draw. The DCBA has a history of being a crummy advocate for downtown. Armed guards during Christmas?! The bums are back too. In January! That's never happened before. The DCBA is just a puppet for a couple of the businesses downtown under the names Cook and Halimi. Those two guys have been at the public trough for a long time now. How much money did Wayne Cook get from the City to build his hotel? Millions. How much did Halimi get for his still slum Park Avenue property? Hundreds of thousands. Thanks but I think I trust the people of Chico who live and work here and not suck off the public teet.

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