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Rambo

United States

#1 Sep 3, 2013
I would like to hear from Vendors, Farmers, hopeful future vendors of Chicos Saturday Market, as well as downtown business owners. I would like to know what changes you feel need to be made that will benifit added revenue opportunity for downtown business owners, added revenue oppertunities for market Vendors / Farmers, hopeful future vendors that aren't in the current market, and most importantly the citizens of Chico who love the market experience. If you wouldn't change a thing that is ok to, just let us know why.
Rick

Chico, CA

#2 Sep 3, 2013
"what changes you feel need to be made that will benifit added revenue opportunity for downtown business owners" ?
Close a few downtown streets on Saturday morning allowing the large crowds of shoppers from the Farmers Market to filter and mingle throughout the downtown area.
Rambo

United States

#3 Sep 3, 2013
Rick wrote:
"what changes you feel need to be made that will benifit added revenue opportunity for downtown business owners" ?
Close a few downtown streets on Saturday morning allowing the large crowds of shoppers from the Farmers Market to filter and mingle throughout the downtown area.
Along the same line of thought I would propose having the discussion of shrinking the Saturday market creating an enviroment that would focus on crafts vendors, which would allow freed up parking for Saturday shoppers, then on Sunday have a larger market, closing streets, and allowing more farmers in as vendors. This would relieve Saturday parking for shoppers that would normally go downtown to spend their money in the downtown businesses which would boost our local economy. It would also offer for a larger "farmers market" on Sunday when a number of downtown businesses are closed. Bringing a larger market in on Sunday and closing streets for vendors and foot traffic would not only allow for better revenue opportunities for farmers at the market by attracting a larger number of people that are there to purchase from the farmers. This approach would also allow for the downtown businesses that close for Sunday the opportunity to have their doors open for business an extra day per week with larger than normal foot traffic by their stores since the market would be on the downtown streets.
Chico Farmers Market

Redding, CA

#4 Sep 4, 2013
Our family doesn't work on Sundays. I feel it's unfair to suggest others give up their Sundays to sell when Saturday works just fine. And stores closed on Sunday give "their" owners a day of rest also.

Besides: Closing streets, set/up and tear down of barricades and manning them cost$ money, which, you'll remember, is in short supply just now.

And I'd be willing to give odds if this was done you'd have an entire "boatload" of shop owners complaining about lost places parking near their establishments.

Good try....no cigar.
The right is wrong

Sacramento, CA

#5 Sep 4, 2013
Rambo wrote:
I would like to hear from Vendors, Farmers, hopeful future vendors of Chicos Saturday Market, as well as downtown business owners. I would like to know what changes you feel need to be made that will benifit added revenue opportunity for downtown business owners, added revenue oppertunities for market Vendors / Farmers, hopeful future vendors that aren't in the current market, and most importantly the citizens of Chico who love the market experience. If you wouldn't change a thing that is ok to, just let us know why.
We have a small "farmers Market" in downtown Lincoln every Thursday where they barricade off one street for one block. A lot of the vendors sell out and all of the businesses in the area see an increase in sales. We attend with several families and we all wish it was larger.
Rambo

United States

#6 Sep 4, 2013
Chico Farmers Market wrote:
Our family doesn't work on Sundays. I feel it's unfair to suggest others give up their Sundays to sell when Saturday works just fine. And stores closed on Sunday give "their" owners a day of rest also.
Besides: Closing streets, set/up and tear down of barricades and manning them cost$ money, which, you'll remember, is in short supply just now.
And I'd be willing to give odds if this was done you'd have an entire "boatload" of shop owners complaining about lost places parking near their establishments.
Good try....no cigar.
Interesting...however though there has been a significant group of our local combat veterans coice their willingness to take on the labor of set up and tare down, as well as any and all additional managerial duties pertaining to the market in order to continue to serve the people that they have already fought for. Also, none of us smoke cigars so that's no big deal lol
Rambo

United States

#7 Sep 4, 2013
Chico Farmers Market wrote:
Our family doesn't work on Sundays. I feel it's unfair to suggest others give up their Sundays to sell when Saturday works just fine. And stores closed on Sunday give "their" owners a day of rest also.
Besides: Closing streets, set/up and tear down of barricades and manning them cost$ money, which, you'll remember, is in short supply just now.
And I'd be willing to give odds if this was done
you'd have an entire "boatload" of shop owners complaining about lost places parking near their establishments.
Good try....no cigar.
As far as working on Sunday and that not being fair.. I'm almost positive that I proposed a smaller market on Saturday as well. Business owners also would not be held at gun point to open on Sundays although if I were a struggling downtown business and additional foot traffic was brought in on a Sunday I would open to save my business and provide for my family. Again, they would totally have that option to choose since we do live in a free country that we fought for to insure. Saturday's are working just fine huh? Is that why downtown business owners are so upset...because its working great?
Rick

Chico, CA

#8 Sep 4, 2013
Turn off the gasoline generators while the street musicians are playing.
Chico Farmers Market

Chico, CA

#9 Sep 5, 2013
Rambo wrote:
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As far as working on Sunday and that not being fair.. I'm almost positive that I proposed a smaller market on Saturday as well. Business owners also would not be held at gun point to open on Sundays although if I were a struggling downtown business and additional foot traffic was brought in on a Sunday I would open to save my business and provide for my family. Again, they would totally have that option to choose since we do live in a free country that we fought for to insure. Saturday's are working just fine huh? Is that why downtown business owners are so upset...because its working great?
Don't worry about the business owners so much; they seem to be doing just fine.

While you're remembering that try to remember THIS CITY DOES NOT BELONG TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS. Or perhaps you've forgotten that??

It seems to me the people of Chico like the Farmers Market just as it is, which is why each time the city tries to shut it down or move it the people present an overriding petition to reverse the action.......how long have you lived here????? Don't you remember this repeatedly happening in the past???

In case anyone hasn't noticed this is NOT the first time the city, through ineptitude, has ruined part of the city with their "good" ideas. Let them be happy with their bloated salaries and LEAVE THE FARMERS MARKET ALONE.
The right is wrong

Sacramento, CA

#10 Sep 5, 2013
Chico Farmers Market wrote:
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Don't worry about the business owners so much; they seem to be doing just fine.
Oh ma -Gawd, according to many who post here on topix all businesses are going broke! Me, from what I've seen, most businesses are doing fine and some are booming!
Juan

Chico, CA

#11 Sep 5, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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Oh ma -Gawd, according to many who post here on topix all businesses are going broke! Me, from what I've seen, most businesses are doing fine and some are booming!
This is true, the customers are waiting at their doorsteps every morning sleeping bags in hand.
Rambo

Concord, CA

#12 Sep 5, 2013
Chico Farmers Market wrote:
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Don't worry about the business owners so much; they seem to be doing just fine.
While you're remembering that try to remember THIS CITY DOES NOT BELONG TO THE BUSINESS OWNERS. Or perhaps you've forgotten that??
It seems to me the people of Chico like the Farmers Market just as it is, which is why each time the city tries to shut it down or move it the people present an overriding petition to reverse the action.......how long have you lived here????? Don't you remember this repeatedly happening in the past???
In case anyone hasn't noticed this is NOT the first time the city, through ineptitude, has ruined part of the city with their "good" ideas. Let them be happy with their bloated salaries and LEAVE THE FARMERS MARKET ALONE.
I'm confused. You seem to be trying to rally your base that the city is trying to dictate the future of the market. That is a false statement. Also it seems that you are trying to use scare tactics by making statements that would mislead the local community into thinking someone is trying to take the market away from them. Again, FALSE. However if you were to say that a group of Proven and Dedicated LOCAL Combat Veterans are stepping up to the plate in order to provide a better market experience for vendors/farmers, downtown business owners, and MOST Importantly the citizens of Chico then that would be a true statement. With that said the comment about the possible thought that the business owners own the city was just made null and void as well.

How long have I lived here? 8 years with a spouse that was born at Enloe 31 years ago who was born and raised here. Both of my sons were also born here and this is where I have chosen to raise my family. If that isn't enough for me to weigh in on the situation I would like to add that combined years from our group approaches 500 years of local Chico living. Leaving only to serve our country mostly. In translation means, most are born and raised here in Chico.
Bee Keeper

Oroville, CA

#13 Sep 5, 2013
This sounds like a great idea, A third party non profit management group dedicated to what has clearly become our citizen owned Public Market. Many of us Farmers are excluded from the market in favor of non farm vendors and competitive restrictions.
New ideas are needed to get more farm product to market and this sounds like a good solution. Sign this farmer up
Marketing

Chico, CA

#14 Sep 5, 2013
Fact: Business revenue in Chico is up. In downtown it is up in all economic sectors and significantly in most.

Fact: The market on Saturday brings on average 4,000 people downtown with cash in hand to spend money over a 5 hour period.

Fact: Not a single bit of evidence indicates that a majority or even a significant number of businesses downtown would like to have the market moved to another day or location. Surveys have been conducted that show the opposite.

Fact: The downtown Chico association and the Chamber have not conducted a single survey that shows what downtown businesses want and don't want.

Fact: There has been in the past and continues to exist a small group of landowners who are looking for lots to develop for a private parking garage funded in part by the city.

Fact: One of those landowners seeking to build private parking garages with some public funds recently received a gift of public funds to clean up toxic plumes on his property in the Junction.

Fact: For 30 years the market has existed downtown and most of that time in its current location.

Fact: A small group of business owners have been fighting to move the market out of downtown for decades.

Fact: The farmers have asked the city to charge them 10,000% more and up for the permit to hold the market at its current location.

Fact: An attempt was made to fix some of the problems through cooperation earlier this year that was destroyed by some members of the downtown Chico association.

Fact: The farmers have wanted and continue to try to bring a better market with more amenities and work with downtown businesses as a cooperative unit rather than as two sides to an issue.

Fact: Because only a few businesses are saying that the market hurts their business and because the downtown Chico association and Chamber's refusal to conduct a survey, there is no way to wade through the noise of these businesses and landowners who have shot down all attempts to work with the city and market.

Fact: Every attempt at working through solutions has failed due to these few businesses.

Fact: The market functions so well it is nationally recognized at its current location and in its current form.

Fact: No proposal to date has shown that it can be an enhancement to the market, downtown, or to the people.
Tellit

Magalia, CA

#15 Sep 7, 2013
Juan wrote:
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This is true, the customers are waiting at their doorsteps every morning sleeping bags in hand.
Last June, we were returning to Chico on Highway 99, south of Highway 149. Fairly far ahead of us, we could see three people, two pushing full shopping carts, another with a leashed dog, along the highway. Before we caught up to them, they had passed the turnoff east, and were almost up to the overpass. We could see they were able-bodied young people, two men and a woman, with determined looks on their faces. They were headed to Chico. Provide free services, with no law enforce­ment, and they will come.
Chico Farmers Market

Chico, CA

#16 Sep 7, 2013
Rambo wrote:
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I'm confused. You seem to be trying to rally your base that the city is trying to dictate the future of the market. That is a false statement. Also it seems that you are trying to use scare tactics by making statements that would mislead the local community into thinking someone is trying to take the market away from them. Again, FALSE. However if you were to say that a group of Proven and Dedicated LOCAL Combat Veterans are stepping up to the plate in order to provide a better market experience for vendors/farmers, downtown business owners, and MOST Importantly the citizens of Chico then that would be a true statement. With that said the comment about the possible thought that the business owners own the city was just made null and void as well.
How long have I lived here? 8 years with a spouse that was born at Enloe 31 years ago who was born and raised here. Both of my sons were also born here and this is where I have chosen to raise my family. If that isn't enough for me to weigh in on the situation I would like to add that combined years from our group approaches 500 years of local Chico living. Leaving only to serve our country mostly. In translation means, most are born and raised here in Chico.
Then since you have lived here a while you must know that what I say is true.

A few shop owners or a disgruntled Council member or two DOES NOT OVERRIDE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE or their desires which has been amply proven multiple times by concerned/offended citizens forcing a successful recall of the city's decisions in this matter.

There is nothing wrong with the present location: There's plenty of parking, I don't believe there has ever been a car/pedestrian accident in all the years of operation and it's located in the perfect place for people to shop afterwards.

Why do people like yourself always want to cause trouble and spoil what others enjoy? If you don't like the Market just don't go.
Time for new Management

Oroville, CA

#17 Sep 7, 2013
Your twisted version of the truth is why our PUBLIC MARKET needs new management. The current operators spew the same propaganda as you. Seems like Rambo is suggesting a bigger better market and your just using the same old distorted facts as truth. Remember its a Public Market...who operates it is now the question. We know you hate merchants but now your attacking veterans for wanting to do a better job.
Marketing

Chico, CA

#18 Sep 7, 2013
Fact: The market is not public in any way shape or form. The Chico Certified Farmers Market is a private nonprofit corporation.

Fact: The management of the market is elected from amongst its members only. Those members vote officers in and out based on whether or not the board is performing as the market vendors desire.

Fact: If the market vendors wanted a larger market they would ask for it and seek it on their own. At present they do not want a larger market. They have asked to remain at the current location and keep the status quo. Their claim is that the market is very successful where it is at and they question whether it would get better.

Fact: The city is not now nor will it ever become a farmers market. It is not legal for a city to run a market in this fashion. Therefore there is no such thing as a "public market" in the state of California. Prop 26 insures that.

Fact: The farmers would like to have the parking lot designated a farmers market on Saturdays as they have been doing for decades. A few merchants and parking lot developers are trying to thwart that for reasons that they can state themselves. They are not views shared by the market vendors.

Fact: The management of the market can vote to change the board at any time if tthey find the board is not operating in its best interests. An overwhelming majority of the vendors believe the management has been placating these few business and parking lot developers that they are frustrated at the outcome of the council vote and would like to change that vote.

Fact: Veterans have nothing to do with the current operation of the market, the past operation of the market, or the future of the operation of the market. The businesses that want the market moved out of downtown have decided to use the word "veterans" in an attempt to endear people to their cause. Good luck with that.

Fact: There is no formal group of veterans that are doing anything with the farmers market for the benefit of veterans or other senior citizens. There has never been a formal group of veterans that have had anything to do with the market in the entire 30+ years the market has existed in Chico and the over 20 years it has been located at its current spot.
Time for New Management

Oroville, CA

#19 Sep 7, 2013
Keep in mind the WILL of THE PEOPLE makes its a PUBLIC MARKET.

That is a fact: the only issue going forward is who has the better vision and who does council trust to conduct and deliver the peoples business.

Of course you get to bring 20 years of successfully working with stakeholders as the center piece of your proposal.

As you know voters will be making it clear to you that its a PUBLIC MARKET and not something you own. You should rejoice in this instead of being so hateful.

We can all be grateful for "Friends of the Market" and their efforts to ensure this stays OUR downtown PUBLIC MARKET

BTW I don't think hating Veterans and telling them to stay away from our PUBLIC MARKET is going to help your bid...

Marketing

Chico, CA

#20 Sep 7, 2013
Fact: The friends of the farmers market, with the blessing of the market vendors, have decided to conduct an initiative vote for the public to weigh in on whether or not the current location and day is the spot for a long term agreement.

Fact: The voters will likely vote to keep the market at its current location as likely will the majority of downtown businesses.

It is a reasonable assumption given the previous facts that veterans will be supporting the initiative.

It then will be much more "public" than it is now. If a vote is what you are looking for then you are in luck. The farmers market will be voted on by the public.

Any idea of the history of populist movements in Chico bringing an initiative before voters during a regular election over something as pure and simple as a community market? Here's a hint: 1.000

Any idea of the history of limited business movements in Chico bringing an initiative to change the status quo during any election over something as pure and simple as a community market? Here's a hint: 0.000

Good luck.

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