Chico firefighters
Taxpayer 2

Redding, CA

#164 Jul 19, 2013
Juan wrote:
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Let's do it and find out.
You are exactly right!! Lets try it or better yet let's check out calfire.

It's time to reallocate our general fund

Just remember it was primarily gandolf grunter and swab that got us here!

Good job gandolf grunter and swab!!
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#165 Jul 20, 2013
Firefighter fired for faking fires, stealing money
http://now.msn.com/firefighter-robbed-firehou...

It looks like some of our "finest" have too much time on their hands.
Steve

Chico, CA

#166 Jul 20, 2013
Local wrote:
Firefighter fired for faking fires, stealing money
http://now.msn.com/firefighter-robbed-firehou...
It looks like some of our "finest" have too much time on their hands.
Joseph Keene is accused of making 911 calls about nonexistent fires, then robbing firehouses while crews left to respond. Keene is charged with making three calls in May and June, and making off with $1,900 from his fellow firemen's wallets in Queens and Staten Island.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#167 Jul 21, 2013
Local wrote:
Firefighter fired for faking fires, stealing money
http://now.msn.com/firefighter-robbed-firehou...
It looks like some of our "finest" have too much time on their hands.
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SO?!

There are crooked people in every profession, from cops to clergy, what exactly do you propose to remedy that...?

Do you or anyone here thinks that by lowering pay and benefits for firemen and other public servants will magically serve to decrease dishonest incidents...????
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#168 Jul 21, 2013
The power and corruption of public employee unions in California

http://www.halfwaytoconcord.com/the-power-and...

"the real scandal is a two-tier society where government workers enjoy benefits far in excess of those for whom they supposedly work. It’s past time to start cleaning up the mess by reforming retirement systems and limiting the public unions’ power. If we don’t, California’s financial problems will become insurmountable.”
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#169 Jul 21, 2013
“Raising taxes and cutting services is the wrong approach to California’s permanent government budget crisis. The right approach is to pay public sector employees fair wages and benefits, particularly pensions,” he said.

In another twelve years, approximately 100,000 retired California public sector employees are projected to receive pensions of $100,000 per year or more.

“Government does not exist to provide compensation and pensions for government workers,” Dr. Ebenstein said.“Government exists to provide good public services at a reasonable cost.”

http://www.halfwaytoconcord.com/california-th...

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#170 Jul 21, 2013
Just like he city of Detroit, many towns like this one will find what happens when you overextend yourself.
Steve

Chico, CA

#171 Jul 21, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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There are crooked people in every profession, from cops to clergy, what exactly do you propose to remedy that...?
Do you or anyone here thinks that by lowering pay and benefits for firemen and other public servants will magically serve to decrease dishonest incidents...????
Lowering pay and hiring a janitor for Bidwell Park could prevent people from having dishonest incidents in the bushes leaving our Park smelling like a toilet because the restrooms are locked.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#172 Jul 21, 2013
Local wrote:

“Government does not exist to provide compensation and pensions for government workers,” Dr. Ebenstein said.“Government exists to provide good public services at a reasonable cost.”
http://www.halfwaytoconcord.com/california-th...
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Maybe so.... and like it or not, the compensation and pensions of the government workers has to be equivalent to that of the private sector's otherwise you will only attract the useless dummies and rejects unable to find employment in the private sector...
Steve

Chico, CA

#173 Jul 21, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Maybe so.... and like it or not, the compensation and pensions of the government workers has to be equivalent to that of the private sector's otherwise you will only attract the useless dummies and rejects unable to find employment in the private sector...
Like affirmative action hirees are not useless dummies and rejects.
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#174 Jul 21, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Maybe so.... and like it or not, the compensation and pensions of the government workers has to be equivalent to that of the private sector's otherwise you will only attract the useless dummies and rejects unable to find employment in the private sector...
Over generous public employee wages/pensions have not guaranteed excellent public service workers.
I give you the state of affairs of nearly EVERY public entity across the nation....especially california public schools.
Then there is the over zealous public employee professional who sent 19 good young men ("hotshots") to a fiery death....or the over zealous fireman who drove a firetruck over the lil girl that survived the Asiana plane crash, or the best and the brightest fireman who called in phoney fires and then robbed his co workers, or the Cal-fire captain who lit fires and then responded licky split like some sort of hero.....
I could go on, but I will not. Suffice to say that they are paid far too much, the pensions and bennies are too generous, and they could be replaced in like and kind for half the price....in a heartbeat.
You do realize that the real unemployment rate is above 15%...yes?

Lots of very good folks are out of work and would fill those positions in a heartbeat. In addition, nepotism is rampant in the public employee sector........somehow, the public employees feel that those jobs are in their control....like it is their money.
Not so....and things need to change.........ASAP
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#175 Jul 21, 2013
Steve wrote:
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Like affirmative action hirees are not useless dummies and rejects.
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You could have gone all day without interjecting race or gender into this...

But since you did, please do understand there are many outstanding affirmative action workers out there...you should get out there into the real world for a change.
Tree Frog

Chico, CA

#176 Jul 21, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Maybe so.... and like it or not, the compensation and pensions of the government workers has to be equivalent to that of the private sector's otherwise you will only attract the useless dummies and rejects unable to find employment in the private sector...
useless dummies and rejects unable to find employment in the private sector...
That would be anyone employed by the government since they're not working in the private sector.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#177 Jul 21, 2013
Local wrote:
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Over generous public employee wages/pensions have not guaranteed excellent public service workers.
I give you the state of affairs of nearly EVERY public entity across the nation....especially california public schools.
Then there is the over zealous public employee professional who sent 19 good young men ("hotshots") to a fiery death....or the over zealous fireman who drove a firetruck over the lil girl that survived the Asiana plane crash, or the best and the brightest fireman who called in phoney fires and then robbed his co workers, or the Cal-fire captain who lit fires and then responded licky split like some sort of hero.....
I could go on, but I will not. Suffice to say that they are paid far too much, the pensions and bennies are too generous, and they could be replaced in like and kind for half the price....in a heartbeat.
You do realize that the real unemployment rate is above 15%...yes?
Lots of very good folks are out of work and would fill those positions in a heartbeat. In addition, nepotism is rampant in the public employee sector........somehow, the public employees feel that those jobs are in their control....like it is their money.
Not so....and things need to change.........ASAP
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You don't seem to understand that yours is exactly the kind of short sighted conservative thinking that drives companies into bankruptcies and almost wiped out the US economy.

You exemplify the kind of corporate mentality that is more concerned with next quarters financial results rather than long term corporate viability.

Of course, when the economy is weak you will be able to find folks willing to work for half price, but what do you suppose will happen the instant the economy starts firing on all cylinders...???

I know you are not bright enough to figure out what will happen by yourself, so I will tell you....

All the employees you hired at bargain wages will tell you to either double their salary or take your job and stick it where the sun don't shine...and all the savings you thought you achieved will go up in smoke rehiring and retraining new personnel at much higher wages...
Godfrey

Oroville, CA

#178 Jul 21, 2013
This is what liberals will never understand. Economies aren't created by some government bureaucracy, or by the Fed or by a surfer president. Economic growth is created by individuals pursuing their own self interest which may or may not develop into a business that can hire people. Until some of these economic morons understand what Milton Friedman was telling all of us we are doomed to poverty for most of the country.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#179 Jul 21, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Maybe so.... and like it or not, the compensation and pensions of the government workers has to be equivalent to that of the private sector's otherwise you will only attract the useless dummies and rejects unable to find employment in the private sector...
Not true. For instance, a soldier in Iraq makes 20% of what a private contractor does. Take military pilots versus a pilot for Delta, the mayor of a town compared to the CEO of the local hospital. None of those examples make anywhere near the same, but somehow we get by.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#180 Jul 21, 2013
MSO4 wrote:
<quoted text>Not true. For instance, a soldier in Iraq makes 20% of what a private contractor does. Take military pilots versus a pilot for Delta, the mayor of a town compared to the CEO of the local hospital. None of those examples make anywhere near the same, but somehow we get by.
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You have got a point there MS, but myself I am of the opinion that our entire compensation system is screwed up...

For instance, isn't it a shame that soldiers and military pilots risk life and limb for a mere fraction of what some fat cat at Halliburton makes, or that some crooked fund manager makes more in a month than the president of the U.S earns in a year, bennies included...???
Godfrey

Oroville, CA

#181 Jul 21, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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You have got a point there MS, but myself I am of the opinion that our entire compensation system is screwed up...
For instance, isn't it a shame that soldiers and military pilots risk life and limb for a mere fraction of what some fat cat at Halliburton makes, or that some crooked fund manager makes more in a month than the president of the U.S earns in a year, bennies included...???
Or our Military people make less than City,County & State employees. Bureaucrats that are gaming the system with police power and public unions, they are stealing from the system. Government employees have become the new privileged class. Can't fire them they are untouchable. Right Gramps.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#182 Jul 21, 2013
Godfrey wrote:
<quoted text>Or our Military people make less than City,County & State employees. Bureaucrats that are gaming the system with police power and public unions, they are stealing from the system. Government employees have become the new privileged class. Can't fire them they are untouchable. Right Gramps.
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Few average working men and women fit into the "privileged class," and yes....

you should be able to fire the slackers provided the management has kept accurate records of their laziness...

But I agree with you that our military men and women are way under compensated when in a combat zone.

“Unions are still scum ”

Since: Dec 07

Atlanta

#183 Jul 21, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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You have got a point there MS, but myself I am of the opinion that our entire compensation system is screwed up...
For instance, isn't it a shame that soldiers and military pilots risk life and limb for a mere fraction of what some fat cat at Halliburton makes, or that some crooked fund manager makes more in a month than the president of the U.S earns in a year, bennies included...???
That's because folks have forgotten what two words mean, "Public Service". It is supposed to be an honor and a position of respect not a way to line your pockets, as so many government workers do today.

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