Chico firefighters
Chicoan

Redding, CA

#265 Jul 27, 2013
Local wrote:
If the unions were gone, there would be folks lined up around the block to replace the emergency service folks at half of the wages/benefits.
The median income in Chico is around $38k. Police/fire service personel earn six figures. How many good folks would jump at the chance to earn say $50k with good bennies.
We all need to face it......public employee unions in Ca. have gotten way out of control. We will have to FORCE the liberal politicians to deal with this problem, otherwise we must give them the boot.
Excellent post!!!

Every opening in chico fire draws hundreds of applicants. That fact alone tells you that we are overpaying.

We have run out of money, we are getting the equivalent of a payday loan!!

The three stooges(gandolf,grunter and swab) should resign in disgrace. They will forever be linked to this embarrassing episode in chicos history.

Good job gandolf grunter and swab!!!!!
Tellit

Sloughhouse, CA

#266 Jul 28, 2013
Chicoan wrote:
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Excellent post!!!
Every opening in chico fire draws hundreds of applicants. That fact alone tells you that we are overpaying.
We have run out of money, we are getting the equivalent of a payday loan!!
The three stooges(gandolf,grunter and swab) should resign in disgrace. They will forever be linked to this embarrassing episode in chicos history.
Good job gandolf grunter and swab!!!!!
Exclusive: 4 in 5 in US face near-poverty, no work.
http://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-4-5-us-face-n...
"Every opening in chico fire draws hundreds of applicants. That fact alone tells you that we are overpaying"
Juan

Chico, CA

#267 Aug 5, 2013
New jobs are disproportionately low-pay or part-time. In a sluggish economy, good jobs are scarce; employers offer mainly low-pay or part-time work.

http://news.yahoo.com/jobs-disproportionately...
The Infantile left Winged

Chico, CA

#268 Aug 5, 2013
Juan wrote:
New jobs are disproportionately low-pay or part-time. In a sluggish economy, good jobs are scarce; employers offer mainly low-pay or part-time work.
http://news.yahoo.com/jobs-disproportionately...
Thank you... oblamer care!
This President has destroyed this country in so many ways!
#1. Regressive liberalism! AKA Marxism.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#269 Aug 5, 2013
The Infantile left Winged wrote:
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Thank you... oblamer care!
This President has destroyed this country in so many ways!
#1. Regressive liberalism! AKA Marxism.
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There you go, spreading stupid t bagging talking points again....
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#270 Aug 5, 2013
Ooops. Gramps is beaten again.
Here come the personal insults. Poor perverted old socialist fool.
lololol
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#271 Aug 5, 2013
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Keep the personal insults coming LOCO....LOL
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#272 Aug 5, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Keep the personal insults coming LOCO....LOL
as you wish.
You're ugly as well :-)
Sunshine

Oroville, CA

#273 Aug 25, 2013
Hit Me wrote:
Dave Main?! The highest paid city employee?! This guy makes almost $300,000 a year as a firefighter. Not the chief. A firefighter.
Huh?
Your entire post is wrong. Dave Main makes less than $110K BUT he works a ton of overtime. He's a strike leader at a lot of these wildland fire you read about. He has never made $300,000 in a year. He is a fire Captain. He is a superior fire fighter.
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#274 Aug 25, 2013
Sunshine wrote:
<quoted text> Your entire post is wrong. Dave Main makes less than $110K BUT he works a ton of overtime. He's a strike leader at a lot of these wildland fire you read about. He has never made $300,000 in a year. He is a fire Captain. He is a superior fire fighter.
Thank you for pointing out facts instead of doing the republican lemming thing of taking partially correct information and twisting it around until it's a lie.

The real point here is that his over -all compensation, wages are based on his actually EARNING that money. There are thousands of fire -fighters putting their lives on the line today and every day for the scum who post negative crap behind an alias.

Hats off to all the fire -fighters, rangers, medical professional, public safety persons, the Coast Guard and peace officers who do their job who put their lives on the line every day to protect the morons who post their negative crap on these forums.
Sunshine

Paradise, CA

#277 Aug 26, 2013
Wife of Taxpayer wrote:
City of Chico faces fiscal insolvency.
Councilor Mark Sorensen said this information should not have been a sur­prise to anyone. It’s all about planning, You just typically don’t spend more than you have. I get my paycheck and I don’t go out and spend 115 percent of it.”
Yet the city has spent money it did not have for years. Generous contracts have been awarded the firefighters as the City sinks into the red.
Now the City is contemplating borrowing money to pay everyone. Well Grandpa it looks like we got what we payed for.
I am a taxpayer myself . Many years ago the city asked the Fire Department to work OT with the personnel they had in order to save the city money. The city saved on hiring, training, and benefits. The city saved money! Well, the fire fighters are getting a bad rapp about all the OT money they make and the city doesn't step up and admit this was their idea. Since the fire fighters work 56 hours a week before they are eligible for OT I'd say they are a bargain.
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#278 Aug 26, 2013
Sunshine wrote:
<quoted text> I am a taxpayer myself . Many years ago the city asked the Fire Department to work OT with the personnel they had in order to save the city money. The city saved on hiring, training, and benefits. The city saved money! Well, the fire fighters are getting a bad rapp about all the OT money they make and the city doesn't step up and admit this was their idea. Since the fire fighters work 56 hours a week before they are eligible for OT I'd say they are a bargain.
Perhaps. However, the first thing that public employee unions need to do in order to gain public trust, is to open up negotiations to the public.
Sunshine all of these "back room" deals. The public doesn't learn about the cost of this backroom bargaining until it is too late.
FDR warned against this sort of thing....and he was exactly correct.
F.D.R. Warned Us
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/02/...

FDR's Ghost Is Smiling on Wisconsin's Governor
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/201...

Text of FDR Letter Opposing Public Employee (Government) Unions
http://www.conservativeblog.org/amyridenour/2...
Sunshine

Chico, CA

#279 Aug 27, 2013
Local wrote:
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Perhaps. However, the first thing that public employee unions need to do in order to gain public trust, is to open up negotiations to the public.
Sunshine all of these "back room" deals. The public doesn't learn about the cost of this backroom bargaining until it is too late.
FDR warned against this sort of thing....and he was exactly correct.
F.D.R. Warned Us
http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/02/...
FDR's Ghost Is Smiling on Wisconsin's Governor
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/201...
Text of FDR Letter Opposing Public Employee (Government) Unions
http://www.conservativeblog.org/amyridenour/2...
I'm not sure that the unions keep these meeting closed as much as I suspect it is the council that does that. The council doesn't want anyone to know (especially EACH employee group) what they are negotiating until the deal is done. It's to bad. I'd like to know what the discussions are too.
Sunshine

Chico, CA

#280 Aug 27, 2013
Local wrote:
If the unions were gone, there would be folks lined up around the block to replace the emergency service folks at half of the wages/benefits.
The median income in Chico is around $38k. Police/fire service personel earn six figures. How many good folks would jump at the chance to earn say $50k with good bennies.
We all need to face it......public employee unions in Ca. have gotten way out of control. We will have to FORCE the liberal politicians to deal with this problem, otherwise we must give them the boot.
Seventy five percent of the police/fire personnel do NOT earn six figures. You may be confusing net with gross. Or, you are including overtime which is a variable and is not included when you speak of someone's salary. I'd say the city should go back to what they offer applicants and start there.
The right is wrong

Sacramento, CA

#281 Aug 27, 2013
Sunshine wrote:
<quoted text> Seventy five percent of the police/fire personnel do NOT earn six figures. You may be confusing net with gross. Or, you are including overtime which is a variable and is not included when you speak of someone's salary. I'd say the city should go back to what they offer applicants and start there.
Loco forgets that "you get what you pay for". During the up side of our "boom or bust" cyclical economy there aren’t hoards of people lined up to be government workers.

Every day I see lower paid government engineers and others resign their government jobs and go to private industry.

I’ve always said if the public wants to pay me the difference between what I was actually paid and prevailing wages for all the years I spent working for government, with compounded interest, I’d gladly give up the benefits I’m getting now.

Loco is just that, loco!
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#282 Aug 27, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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Loco forgets that "you get what you pay for". During the up side of our "boom or bust" cyclical economy there aren’t hoards of people lined up to be government workers.
Every day I see lower paid government engineers and others resign their government jobs and go to private industry.
I’ve always said if the public wants to pay me the difference between what I was actually paid and prevailing wages for all the years I spent working for government, with compounded interest, I’d gladly give up the benefits I’m getting now.
Loco is just that, loco!
Nonsense.
Let unhappy government workers leave their position. There will be hundreds of applicants for every position.
and.........opening up negotiations will never happen, because the public unions will NEVER allow it. Elected officials would be happy to open up and get some help from the public and the press. The public unions? Not so much.........
When these things are kept secret....in the backroom.......bad things happen.
12,338
retired California government workers
receive pensions in excess of $100,000
from CalPERS
They're all listed here.
http://www.fixpensionsfirst.com/calpers2012/...

6,609
retired California State Teachers
receive pensions in excess of $100,000
from CalSTRS
They're all listed here.
http://www.fixpensionsfirst.com/calstrs-datab...

2,129
retired University of California Employees
receive pensions in excess of $100,000
from the University of California Retirement Plan
They're all listed here.
http://www.fixpensionsfirst.com/uc2012/

COMPARING PUBLIC AND PRIVATE EMPLOYEE COMPENSATION AND RETIREMENT BENEFITS IN CALIFORNIA

http://www.fixpensionsfirst.com/2011/05/compa...
Steve

Chico, CA

#283 Aug 27, 2013
Sunshine wrote:
<quoted text> Seventy five percent of the police/fire personnel do NOT earn six figures. You may be confusing net with gross. Or, you are including overtime which is a variable and is not included when you speak of someone's salary. I'd say the city should go back to what they offer applicants and start there.
"Or, you are including overtime which is a variable and is not included when you speak of someone's salary" I must of missed that explanation while doing my taxes. What page of the IRS Code may I find this information ?
Steve

Chico, CA

#284 Aug 27, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
<quoted text>
Loco forgets that "you get what you pay for". During the up side of our "boom or bust" cyclical economy there aren’t hoards of people lined up to be government workers.
Every day I see lower paid government engineers and others resign their government jobs and go to private industry.
I’ve always said if the public wants to pay me the difference between what I was actually paid and prevailing wages for all the years I spent working for government, with compounded interest, I’d gladly give up the benefits I’m getting now.
Loco is just that, loco!
"Every day I see lower paid government engineers and others resign their government jobs and go to private industry."
LOL
Sunshine

Chico, CA

#285 Aug 28, 2013
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
"Or, you are including overtime which is a variable and is not included when you speak of someone's salary" I must of missed that explanation while doing my taxes. What page of the IRS Code may I find this information ?
I see what you are saying but I hate to see people say that police/fire make 6 figures when their salary may be 65K (example only). Of course they make more if they work OT and I hope they claim that income on their tax returns. Unfortunately, most departments are understaffed because of budget cuts and OT is required to do the job. You don't walk away from a call just because your shift has ended.
Steve

Chico, CA

#286 Aug 28, 2013
One guy says "earn up to six figures", another guy breaks it into parts , salary and overtime, as if that makes a difference, to get the figure below six figures. I point this out and they give me peanuts.

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