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rumor mill: Keystone pipeline may happen

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environuts crying

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#1 Aug 1, 2013
Obama may have left himself wiggle room to approve Keystone XL
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...

obama's own party is giving him red-ass for not approving the Keystone pipeline. 200,000 lost American jobs.....what a shame.
There is hope.....obama will probably cave in to pressure from all sides and approve the pipeline. He just has to find a nice way to throw the screaming environmentalists under the bus....and approve it.
He doesn't need the MMGW morons anymore, he got re elected, so the smart money is betting on an approval....maybe even this month....before Canada starts construction on an alternate pipeline route.
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#2 Aug 1, 2013
environuts crying wrote:
Obama may have left himself wiggle room to approve Keystone XL
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/...
obama's own party is giving him red-ass for not approving the Keystone pipeline. 200,000 lost American jobs.....what a shame.
There is hope.....obama will probably cave in to pressure from all sides and approve the pipeline. He just has to find a nice way to throw the screaming environmentalists under the bus....and approve it.
He doesn't need the MMGW morons anymore, he got re elected, so the smart money is betting on an approval....maybe even this month....before Canada starts construction on an alternate pipeline route.
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Naw, the Sac Bee says Trans -Canada to build pipeline to east coast.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#3 Aug 2, 2013
The Keystone XL could still go through if Obama gave the go ahead but it is looking more and more unlikely thanks to Obama's dragging his feet. Trans Canada has made other arrangements and has other contracts in place for the Tar Sands crude.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/energ...

It's funny that the environuts and our weak kneed politicians are so concerned with one of the safest modes of transporting oil so instead of bringing energy to our country through pipelines we will still import oil from tyrannical countries across the ocean where potential oil spills are much harder to clean up. Genius.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#4 Aug 2, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
The Keystone XL could still go through if Obama gave the go ahead but it is looking more and more unlikely thanks to Obama's dragging his feet. Trans Canada has made other arrangements and has other contracts in place for the Tar Sands crude.
http://www.edmontonjournal.com/business/energ...
It's funny that the environuts and our weak kneed politicians are so concerned with one of the safest modes of transporting oil so instead of bringing energy to our country through pipelines we will still import oil from tyrannical countries across the ocean where potential oil spills are much harder to clean up. Genius.
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Why are you getting so upset about the XL when all that Canadian tar sand oil will be exported out of the US anyways...???

Also, weren't you the one claiming we had unlimited amounts of shale oil in the Bakkens or some damn where to last us to the end of times...???

BTW, when did you become an environmentalists and started concerning yourself with oil spills in the middle of the ocean...???
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#5 Aug 2, 2013
As I posted in another topic, Keystone will bring only hundred of full-time jobs. TransCanada admitted this fact.

And Canada itself is getting fed up with all their pipeline spills. This is from a financial website:

"The Canadian pipeline operator, Enbridge, is dealing with the mess that was caused by a spill of about 750 barrels of crude oil on June 23 in Alberta, resulting in the company shutting down three of its pipelines.

The spill comes less than a month after Enbridge was officially denied by the B.C. government permission to run a 730-mile pipeline from Alberta to the B.C. coast. Many opposition groups have also opposed the pipeline, as it appears harder for oil giants to expand to increase profits."

http://beta.fool.com/phiwoo/2013/06/25/spills...
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#6 Aug 2, 2013
From the above source:

"Also earlier this month, Apache reported a spill of 2.5 million gallons of contaminated water in Alberta, and Plains All American Pipeline also spilled 950 barrels in Alberta.

Despite oil companies defending their expansion efforts by saying they have healthy track records, there have been a spate of spills recently that put into question the safety of oil pipelines. That damages the ability of these companies to grow, and the Enbridge spill is just the latest example."

Canada is thinking twice about their own pipelines, but righties here in the states want Keystone to jeopardize our own water and environment for a few hundred jobs.

Get out of the right-wing bubble machine! Read, and think!
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#7 Aug 2, 2013
Sam and his buddies are nothing butt mindless lemmings.
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#8 Aug 2, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
As I posted in another topic, Keystone will bring only hundred of full-time jobs. TransCanada admitted this fact.
And Canada itself is getting fed up with all their pipeline spills. This is from a financial website:
"The Canadian pipeline operator, Enbridge, is dealing with the mess that was caused by a spill of about 750 barrels of crude oil on June 23 in Alberta, resulting in the company shutting down three of its pipelines.
The spill comes less than a month after Enbridge was officially denied by the B.C. government permission to run a 730-mile pipeline from Alberta to the B.C. coast. Many opposition groups have also opposed the pipeline, as it appears harder for oil giants to expand to increase profits."
http://beta.fool.com/phiwoo/2013/06/25/spills...
and as I pointed out on another thread....you are a phuquing liar. Read it and weep, lil teepee.

Obama low-balls Keystone job creation numbers, according to State Department
“A president disparaging private-sector jobs while backstage at a jobs rally is beyond belief,” House Energy and Commerce Committee chairman Fred Upton, R-Mich., said in a statement.“The president’s own State Department reported that Keystone would support upwards of 40,000 jobs.
http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama-low-balls...

and that doesn't include material suppliers, hotels/restaurants along the pipeline route, truckers, etc.

So lil teepee, quit your environut whining and let's put some American UNION workers on the job.
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#9 Aug 2, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
Sam and his buddies are nothing butt mindless lemmings.
Now there is irony. A mindless liberal lemming accusing others of being a mindless lemming?........lolololololol

In addition to being teepee's lil parrot, you often sound like a little sissy. Are you gay? Nah, nevermind, I don't want to know.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#10 Aug 2, 2013
Local wrote:
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and as I pointed out on another thread....you are a phuquing liar. Read it and weep, lil teepee.
The more you're shown to be wrong the more you cuss and yell. No wonder you like O'Reilly so much.

"But subsequent analysis suggests that Keystone's job-creating potential is more modest. The U.S. State Department calculated last year that the underground pipeline would add 5,000 to 6,000 U.S. jobs. One independent review of Keystone puts that number even lower, with the Cornell University Global Labor Institute finding that the pipeline would add only 500 to 1,400 temporary construction jobs. The authors of the September report also said that much of the new employment stemming from Keystone would be outside the US."

Transcanada itself cast doubt on its employment forecast when a vice president for the company told CNN last fall that the 20,000 jobs Keystone would create were temporary and that the project would likely yield only "hundreds" of permanent positions.

Another reason for the discrepancy appears to stem from what that 20,000 figure really means. As Transcanada has conceded, its estimate counted up "job years" spent on the project, not jobs. In other words, the company was counting a single construction worker who worked for two years on Keystone as two jobs, lending fuel to critics who said advocates of the pipeline were overstating its benefits."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505123_162-573612...
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#11 Aug 2, 2013
The repubs, and the corporate shill chamber of commerce, have given ridiculously high estimates of the jobs Keystone would provide.

First, most of the jobs would be temporary, as the pipeline is built. And after those few years only a few workers would be needed.

"TransCanada Corp.(TRP)’s Keystone XL oil pipeline, heralded by supporters as a major job creator, will add few permanent positions once the $7 billion project is built.

The number of people needed to operate and maintain the 1,661-mile (2,673-kilometer) pipeline may be as few as 20, according to the U.S. State Department, or as many as a few hundred, according to TransCanada."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-13/keys...

"TransCanada Vice President Robert Jones said permanent jobs would be “in the hundreds, certainly not in the thousands,” in a Nov. 11 interview on CNN."

Did you read the above, Loco? TransCanda ITSLELF says the jobs will be in the hundreds.

What about the temporary jobs? Estimates are that the work will take about 2 years.

TransCanada says there will be 20,000 jobs-- but they equate a job as one man working for one year. Tricky, right?

"The State Department, which has jurisdiction over the project because it crosses an international border, estimates the construction workforce will be between 5,000 and 6,000. A study from the Cornell Global Labor Institute School of Industrial and Labor Relations in New York says construction jobs may be in the 2,500 to 4,650 range."

So, we the people are supposed to allow the very real problems this pipeline would create to our water, air, and land-- just so the fat cats can make more billions?

The payoff? Five or 6 thousand temporary jobs and a few hundred permanent jobs.

TransCanada thanks you for your support.
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#13 Aug 2, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
The repubs, and the corporate shill chamber of commerce, have given ridiculously high estimates of the jobs Keystone would provide.
First, most of the jobs would be temporary, as the pipeline is built. And after those few years only a few workers would be needed.
"TransCanada Corp.(TRP)’s Keystone XL oil pipeline, heralded by supporters as a major job creator, will add few permanent positions once the $7 billion project is built.
The number of people needed to operate and maintain the 1,661-mile (2,673-kilometer) pipeline may be as few as 20, according to the U.S. State Department, or as many as a few hundred, according to TransCanada."
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-13/keys...
"TransCanada Vice President Robert Jones said permanent jobs would be “in the hundreds, certainly not in the thousands,” in a Nov. 11 interview on CNN."
Did you read the above, Loco? TransCanda ITSLELF says the jobs will be in the hundreds.
What about the temporary jobs? Estimates are that the work will take about 2 years.
TransCanada says there will be 20,000 jobs-- but they equate a job as one man working for one year. Tricky, right?
"The State Department, which has jurisdiction over the project because it crosses an international border, estimates the construction workforce will be between 5,000 and 6,000. A study from the Cornell Global Labor Institute School of Industrial and Labor Relations in New York says construction jobs may be in the 2,500 to 4,650 range."
So, we the people are supposed to allow the very real problems this pipeline would create to our water, air, and land-- just so the fat cats can make more billions?
The payoff? Five or 6 thousand temporary jobs and a few hundred permanent jobs.
TransCanada thanks you for your support.
Tens of thousands of jobs sound pretty good, especially if you are one of the estimated 25 million unemployed in the U.S.

You and nobama's arguments against Keystone are nothing but environut craziness to the detriment of good hard working Americans who need a job.

Congrats to you and your lousy leader......king of food stamp giveaways.
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#14 Aug 2, 2013
Local wrote:
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Tens of thousands of jobs sound pretty good, especially if you are one of the estimated 25 million unemployed in the U.S.
You and nobama's arguments against Keystone are nothing but environut craziness to the detriment of good hard working Americans who need a job.
Congrats to you and your lousy leader......king of food stamp giveaways.
And where's your link to a reliable source that says "Tens of thousands of jobs" would be created?
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#15 Aug 2, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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And where's your link to a reliable source that says "Tens of thousands of jobs" would be created?
I already posted the source....however, if you don't like my source google fact check, or......just type in keystone jobs, or obama screws American workers on Keystone, or.......try using your brain...you mmay enjoy it.
I know it is difficult for you, but you can do it.
oh btw, dealing with your ignorance is not out out the ordinary for me.....I take time with children and I am kind to animals as well.
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#16 Aug 3, 2013
Ahhhhhh, no you didn't. A right -wing rag quoting as a third party is here -say. Please post a link to the government source claiming "Tens of thousands of jobs" would be created?.

Other -wise, you're caught in a lie.

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#17 Aug 3, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
As I posted in another topic, Keystone will bring only hundred of full-time jobs. TransCanada admitted this fact.
And Canada itself is getting fed up with all their pipeline spills. This is from a financial website:
"The Canadian pipeline operator, Enbridge, is dealing with the mess that was caused by a spill of about 750 barrels of crude oil on June 23 in Alberta, resulting in the company shutting down three of its pipelines.
The spill comes less than a month after Enbridge was officially denied by the B.C. government permission to run a 730-mile pipeline from Alberta to the B.C. coast. Many opposition groups have also opposed the pipeline, as it appears harder for oil giants to expand to increase profits."
http://beta.fool.com/phiwoo/2013/06/25/spills...
Are you sure that Keystone XL will only provide 100 full time jobs? Where did you get that info from? What do you consider a full time job? It could take up to 5 years to build a pipeline. So is a 5 long job not considered full time? Do you know how many support jobs will be created in the construction of a pipeline? Pipe must be made, to make pipe you must have iron ore, to get iron ore you must have miners, you have to transport the iron to the smelters, you have to transport the pipe, you need trucks, trains, truck drivers, train engineers, restaurants and grocery stores to feed these people, welders, heavy equipment operators.

Having worked in an industry that supplied the oil field with materials I have a bit of an idea of how it all works.

Your statement it seems to me states that the entire country of Canada is tired of oil spills. Is this actually the case or are there a few environuts who are protesting? There are environuts in Canada as well but the difference is that a lot of Canadian politicians don't bow down to the environuts.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#18 Aug 3, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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Are you sure that Keystone XL will only provide 100 full time jobs? Where did you get that info from? What do you consider a full time job? It could take up to 5 years to build a pipeline. So is a 5 long job not considered full time? Do you know how many support jobs will be created in the construction of a pipeline? Pipe must be made, to make pipe you must have iron ore, to get iron ore you must have miners, you have to transport the iron to the smelters, you have to transport the pipe, you need trucks, trains, truck drivers, train engineers, restaurants and grocery stores to feed these people, welders, heavy equipment operators.
Having worked in an industry that supplied the oil field with materials I have a bit of an idea of how it all works.
Your statement it seems to me states that the entire country of Canada is tired of oil spills. Is this actually the case or are there a few environuts who are protesting? There are environuts in Canada as well but the difference is that a lot of Canadian politicians don't bow down to the environuts.
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Why do you insist on the United States helping Canada to export their tar sand oil to China...???

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012...
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#19 Aug 3, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Why do you insist on the United States helping Canada to export their tar sand oil to China...???
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012...
Because sam and his ignorant buddies don't understand that the Chi -coms and India own that oil.

The only reason Canada wants the keystone would be the cheapest route for them to export it.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#20 Aug 3, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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Because sam and his ignorant buddies don't understand that the Chi -coms and India own that oil.
The only reason Canada wants the keystone would be the cheapest route for them to export it.
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That is just one of the many things that SAM and his wagon-full of fools do not understand....

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#21 Aug 3, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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Why do you insist on the United States helping Canada to export their tar sand oil to China...???
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/012...
Do you have any current information or do you like working with 10 year old news? Are you telling me that all the oil that would be sent through the Keystone XL pipeline to the Gulf refineries will be going to China?

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