Why won't Obama sign up for Obamacare?
Tea Party Solution

Oroville, CA

#43 Oct 6, 2013
Local wrote:
Partial List of Obamacare Exempt Companies
(there are thousands)
24 Hour Fitness
Allied Building Inspectors IUOE Local 211 Welfare Fund
Alpha Omega Home Health, LLC
Andersen Corporation
Bowman Sheet Metal Heating & Air-conditioning......etc, etc.
Lil Loco sure likes his lists. He seems to think that the longer his list, the better his argument. But these lists mean nothing without explanation.

What these rightwing obfuscators are referring to is "the number of health insurance plans that the Department of Health and Human Services allowed to set lower annual caps -- temporarily -- on the total amount of medical bills they would pay for each subscriber.

These include plans offered by 722 self-insured businesses, 417 groups of small employers joined in collective bargaining agreements, and 34 unions.

The Affordable Care Act requires insurers to phase out by 2014 the annual limits. The rule posed a challenge, however, to employers with "mini-med" plans, which charge extremely low premiums but offer truncated benefits and low annual caps.

To keep workers from losing coverage altogether while their employers searched for an alternative, HHS granted waivers that let hundreds of mini-med plans keep lower caps in place until 2014.

n short, the rule enabled employers and their workers to keep until next year the plans they had before the law was passed, even though they didn't meet the new minimum standards. The move may have saved some employers and unions money, but it also kept workers from losing their coverage abruptly."

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-...

Get it, lil Loco? These are TEMPORARY, PARTIAL exemptions which allow employers the time to find suitable plans, while keeping their employees with some kind of health insurance.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#44 Oct 6, 2013
Local wrote:
and one more time......WHY WON'T OBAMA SIGN UP FOR OBAMACARE?
And ONE MORE TIME, because you have a horrible comprehension problem, President Obama ALREADY HAS employer health insurance. So he, and over 90% of the rest of us, don't need to sign up for Obamacare.

You know NOTHING about how the ACA works-- you only "know" that it's been nicknamed Obamacare, so you "know" that it must be horrible.
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#45 Oct 6, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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And ONE MORE TIME, because you have a horrible comprehension problem, President Obama ALREADY HAS employer health insurance. So he, and over 90% of the rest of us, don't need to sign up for Obamacare.
You know NOTHING about how the ACA works-- you only "know" that it's been nicknamed Obamacare, so you "know" that it must be horrible.
And check this out, repubicans said they want Obama to allow health insurance across state lines as a way to foster competition, well it's already allowed if the insurance company wants to go by the rules in the state where the insurance company wants to sell their product.

Maybe what they’re saying is they want big government to control everything.

I have Kaiser here in Caulifornia!

I just got back from the big island and there’s Kaiser in HI!

My sons in -laws live in the Portland area and they have Kaiser in Oregon.

How many other states have Kaiser?

I’m tired of the lies and bull the repubicans post day in and day out!

Solution, thank you for your voice of reason.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#46 Oct 6, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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And check this out, repubicans said they want Obama to allow health insurance across state lines as a way to foster competition, well it's already allowed if the insurance company wants to go by the rules in the state where the insurance company wants to sell their product.
Maybe what they’re saying is they want big government to control everything.
I have Kaiser here in Caulifornia!
I just got back from the big island and there’s Kaiser in HI!
My sons in -laws live in the Portland area and they have Kaiser in Oregon.
How many other states have Kaiser?
I’m tired of the lies and bull the repubicans post day in and day out!
Solution, thank you for your voice of reason.
And The Right is Wrong, thanks for your voice of intelligence and reason.

What's so remarkable about the right-wing's lies about the ACA is that it's doing all the things righties used to like.

It's keeping, even promoting, PRIVATE companies. It features the individual mandate, which means that individuals must become responsible for their health care costs, and not get it from tax payer funded emergency rooms.

The rightwing Heritage Foundation promoted this concept in 1988, for gods sakes.

And righties supposedly love competition (as do we). The ACA promotes competition among the private health insurers.

I think what they really hate is 1), it's Obama's plan, and 2), it adds 40 million people to health insurance. Anything that's good for people other than the super-rich must be bad in their world.
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#47 Oct 6, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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And The Right is Wrong, thanks for your voice of intelligence and reason.
What's so remarkable about the right-wing's lies about the ACA is that it's doing all the things righties used to like.
It's keeping, even promoting, PRIVATE companies. It features the individual mandate, which means that individuals must become responsible for their health care costs, and not get it from tax payer funded emergency rooms.
The rightwing Heritage Foundation promoted this concept in 1988, for gods sakes.
And righties supposedly love competition (as do we). The ACA promotes competition among the private health insurers.
I think what they really hate is 1), it's Obama's plan, and 2), it adds 40 million people to health insurance. Anything that's good for people other than the super-rich must be bad in their world.
Thanks. I think this whole issue with the hard -core right wing freaks and the tea -baggers is tied to a problem I identified years ago that the infamous one and old el twerpo have, the inability to comprehend factual material. Or even to fully comprehend what their handlers say. If they could truly understand what the right -wing talking heads were saying they'd know they were being lied to.

The Democrats and conservatives came to an agreement and the tea -baggers changed the rules after the fact, FAct!
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#48 Oct 6, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Lil Loco sure likes his lists. He seems to think that the longer his list, the better his argument. But these lists mean nothing without explanation.
What these rightwing obfuscators are referring to is "the number of health insurance plans that the Department of Health and Human Services allowed to set lower annual caps -- temporarily -- on the total amount of medical bills they would pay for each subscriber.
These include plans offered by 722 self-insured businesses, 417 groups of small employers joined in collective bargaining agreements, and 34 unions.
The Affordable Care Act requires insurers to phase out by 2014 the annual limits. The rule posed a challenge, however, to employers with "mini-med" plans, which charge extremely low premiums but offer truncated benefits and low annual caps.
To keep workers from losing coverage altogether while their employers searched for an alternative, HHS granted waivers that let hundreds of mini-med plans keep lower caps in place until 2014.
n short, the rule enabled employers and their workers to keep until next year the plans they had before the law was passed, even though they didn't meet the new minimum standards. The move may have saved some employers and unions money, but it also kept workers from losing their coverage abruptly."
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-...
Get it, lil Loco? These are TEMPORARY, PARTIAL exemptions which allow employers the time to find suitable plans, while keeping their employees with some kind of health insurance.
We will see lil teepee.
I will hold on to my "I told you so" a bit longer....except, that I told you and your arsewipe friends that obamacare would be a trillion dollar plus tax hike.
It is even more expensive than expected, especially since the employee unions are fighting paying taxes on their cadillac health plans.
Got news for ya lil teepee. If obama let's them slide on paying their fair share? obamacare fails because the nation cannot afford another couple of trillion debt on top of the obama spendathon era. It is just that simple.
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#49 Oct 7, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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Thanks. I think this whole issue with the hard -core right wing freaks and the tea -baggers is tied to a problem I identified years ago that the infamous one and old el twerpo have, the inability to comprehend factual material. Or even to fully comprehend what their handlers say. If they could truly understand what the right -wing talking heads were saying they'd know they were being lied to.
The Democrats and conservatives came to an agreement and the tea -baggers changed the rules after the fact, FAct!
You make self soothing statements like that in order to reassure yourself...that is all...they mean nothing to anyone...but you and your very tiny ilk.
pathetic at best.
Not your butt buddy bob

Sacramento, CA

#50 Oct 7, 2013
Local wrote:
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You make self soothing statements like that in order to reassure yourself...that is all...they mean nothing to anyone...but you and your very tiny ilk.
pathetic at best.
The statements are true and relative to this thread. You can prove otherwise? Why do facts make you spew your usual fiction retoric?
Tea Party Solution

United States

#51 Oct 7, 2013
Local wrote:
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We will see lil teepee.
I will hold on to my "I told you so" a bit longer....except, that I told you and your arsewipe friends that obamacare would be a trillion dollar plus tax hike.
It is even more expensive than expected, especially since the employee unions are fighting paying taxes on their cadillac health plans.
Got news for ya lil teepee. If obama let's them slide on paying their fair share? obamacare fails because the nation cannot afford another couple of trillion debt on top of the obama spendathon era. It is just that simple.
Your post is a good example of a meaningless word salad. A little of this and a little of that-- adding up to nothing.

I explained your list of companies and labor unions. These companies have 'mini-med' insurance plans, and the ACA gave them time to bring their health plans to the minimum level of coverage. This shows compromise, not special favors. It protects both the companies and the employees.

And in response you type out a meaningless bunch of words that side-step these points. Meaningless blather.
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#52 Oct 7, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Your post is a good example of a meaningless word salad. A little of this and a little of that-- adding up to nothing.
I explained your list of companies and labor unions. These companies have 'mini-med' insurance plans, and the ACA gave them time to bring their health plans to the minimum level of coverage. This shows compromise, not special favors. It protects both the companies and the employees.
And in response you type out a meaningless bunch of words that side-step these points. Meaningless blather.
right back at ya lil teepee.
Most of what you copy/paste is from left wing whacko sites, and most of what you say is drivel regurgitated from the dailykos.
The very low sign ups for nobamacare, and the problems with nobamacare are making things very dicey for you and your ilk.
In a year or so after the mid terms, nobamacare may very well die its own slow death....especially when the unions get done screwing up the works.
Remember, MOST of America DOES NOT WANT OBAMACARE!!!!
Heck,even OBAMA DID'T SIGN UP FOR OBAMACARE!!!
ROTFLMAO
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#53 Oct 8, 2013
Local wrote:
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right back at ya lil teepee.
Most of what you copy/paste is from left wing whacko sites, and most of what you say is drivel regurgitated from the dailykos.
The very low sign ups for nobamacare, and the problems with nobamacare are making things very dicey for you and your ilk.
In a year or so after the mid terms, nobamacare may very well die its own slow death....especially when the unions get done screwing up the works.
Remember, MOST of America DOES NOT WANT OBAMACARE!!!!
Heck,even OBAMA DID'T SIGN UP FOR OBAMACARE!!!
ROTFLMAO
Why should people who have good healthcare coverage sign up for Obama Care.

The affordable Care Act is to provide healthcare coverage for people who can't get it, GET IT?
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#54 Oct 8, 2013
The right is wrong wrote:
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Why should people who have good healthcare coverage sign up for Obama Care.
The affordable Care Act is to provide healthcare coverage for people who can't get it, GET IT?
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People like LOCO are so fooled by their handlers they are unable to understand that OBAMACARE is primarily for those who can not obtain decent medical coverage because of their income, pre existing conditions or because they have been dropped by their insurance companies...
Tea Party Solution

United States

#55 Oct 8, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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People like LOCO are so fooled by their handlers they are unable to understand that OBAMACARE is primarily for those who can not obtain decent medical coverage because of their income, pre existing conditions or because they have been dropped by their insurance companies...
That's right, and lil loco has never answered that point. President Obama is acting in accordance with one of the main premises about Obamacare-- if you already have insurance, you don't need it.

I looked back over this thread and noticed that lil loco has ignored a number of other points we've made:

* Rand Paul, a Tbagger lil loco sees as a possible president, is a de-regulatory libertarian who would squash any new Glass-Steagall bill in a heartbeat. Loco hated the 1999 bill that eliminated Glass-Steagall, so why would he support Rand Paul?

* Republicans are afraid of the ACA, because they fear its success. Why not just let the ACA "destroy America" as they believe, and then win big in the midterm and presidential elections?

* How would loco feel about a new group of extremist lefties who would hold the country hostage for THEIR demands?

* I explained loco's list of companies and labor unions who have a temporary and partial exemption from the ACA. Rightwingers have tried to make these temporary exemptions into some kind of favoritism, but the facts show that the ACA is just trying to give companies with "min-med' plans some time to comply, while keeping their employees from having no insurance at all.

No meaningful responses from lil loco-- because his overseers haven't provided him any good rebuttals.
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#56 Oct 8, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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That's right, and lil loco has never answered that point. President Obama is acting in accordance with one of the main premises about Obamacare-- if you already have insurance, you don't need it.
I looked back over this thread and noticed that lil loco has ignored a number of other points we've made:
* Rand Paul, a Tbagger lil loco sees as a possible president, is a de-regulatory libertarian who would squash any new Glass-Steagall bill in a heartbeat. Loco hated the 1999 bill that eliminated Glass-Steagall, so why would he support Rand Paul?
* Republicans are afraid of the ACA, because they fear its success. Why not just let the ACA "destroy America" as they believe, and then win big in the midterm and presidential elections?
* How would loco feel about a new group of extremist lefties who would hold the country hostage for THEIR demands?
* I explained loco's list of companies and labor unions who have a temporary and partial exemption from the ACA. Rightwingers have tried to make these temporary exemptions into some kind of favoritism, but the facts show that the ACA is just trying to give companies with "min-med' plans some time to comply, while keeping their employees from having no insurance at all.
No meaningful responses from lil loco-- because his overseers haven't provided him any good rebuttals.
I just watched john boner respond to an Obama speech this morning and boner totally side stepped the original reason as to why the tea -party terrorists have shut down the government. He said “the government is shut down because Obama and the Democrats won’t negotiate on the “debt ceiling”.

Hey john boner, you can spin and duck and dodge but you can’t hide from reality!
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#57 Oct 8, 2013
Oh, and that was from a live interview so sit on that and SPIN SPIN SPIN!
Tea Party Solution

United States

#58 Oct 8, 2013
Yeah, it's like a kidnapper saying, "it's your fault I'm not letting your wife go free. All you have to do is pay me, so it's your fault".
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#59 Oct 8, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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That's right, and lil loco has never answered that point. President Obama is acting in accordance with one of the main premises about Obamacare-- if you already have insurance, you don't need it.
I looked back over this thread and noticed that lil loco has ignored a number of other points we've made:
* Rand Paul, a Tbagger lil loco sees as a possible president, is a de-regulatory libertarian who would squash any new Glass-Steagall bill in a heartbeat. Loco hated the 1999 bill that eliminated Glass-Steagall, so why would he support Rand Paul?
* Republicans are afraid of the ACA, because they fear its success. Why not just let the ACA "destroy America" as they believe, and then win big in the midterm and presidential elections?
* How would loco feel about a new group of extremist lefties who would hold the country hostage for THEIR demands?
* I explained loco's list of companies and labor unions who have a temporary and partial exemption from the ACA. Rightwingers have tried to make these temporary exemptions into some kind of favoritism, but the facts show that the ACA is just trying to give companies with "min-med' plans some time to comply, while keeping their employees from having no insurance at all.
No meaningful responses from lil loco-- because his overseers haven't provided him any good rebuttals.
Au Contraire lil teepee.
I have destroyed your lefty logic point by point......and I grow weary of repeating myself.....so read back and look for yourself.
But in the meantime, thanks for bumping up this thread.
Lmao.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#60 Oct 8, 2013
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NUTS!!!
Local

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#61 Oct 8, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Lil Local .
Got news for ya lil teepee.
There is nothing "lil" about me.
First you copy and paste from lefty websites, and now you are imitating me?
Dude....get a life.
and btw,
why hasn't nobama signed up for nobamacare? He could set a great example for the entire nation. After all, socialists like you(and he) are really after a single payer system, yes?
If so, he(and you) should sign up right now and get the ball rolling......or are you and he not really that committed to single payer?
Just for "other" people?
The right is wrong

Lincoln, CA

#62 Oct 8, 2013
Local wrote:
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Got news for ya lil teepee.
There is nothing "lil" about me.
First you copy and paste from lefty websites, and now you are imitating me?
Dude....get a life.
and btw,
why hasn't nobama signed up for nobamacare? He could set a great example for the entire nation. After all, socialists like you(and he) are really after a single payer system, yes?
If so, he(and you) should sign up right now and get the ball rolling......or are you and he not really that committed to single payer?
Just for "other" people?
First off you just proved your a liar. Your question as to why Obama doesn't sign up for a plan under the Affordable Care Act has been answered numerous times on your different threads on topix, including this one. That fact proves you have a small brain making and therefore proving your a liar.

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