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“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#104 May 27, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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There ain't no proof of any wrong doing...
The IRS singling out citizens because of their religious or political beliefs is okay with you?

Of course it is. Those on your side of the political spectrum have been doing it for decades. Just ask Mao, Stalin, et al.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#105 May 27, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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The IRS singling out citizens because of their religious or political beliefs is okay with you?
Of course it is. Those on your side of the political spectrum have been doing it for decades. Just ask Mao, Stalin, et al.
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I do not recollect you objecting too strenuously when the IRS singled out Acorn for their "religious and political beliefs..."

Perhaps you should spend less time studying your heroes Hitler, Mao and Stalin and read up on science, real world economics and our form of government...
Tea Party Solution

United States

#106 May 27, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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The IRS singling out citizens because of their religious or political beliefs is okay with you?
Obama has said that targetting tea party groups was wrong. Most dems have said it was wrong. Liberal media, including MSNBC have said it was wrong.

But there's no evidence that what this IRS was doing came from instructions from the top. With Bush, we saw many scandals coming from the top-- such as Cheney and Scooter Libby's outting of a CIA agent, Valerie Plame. Such as starting warrentless wire taps. Such as torture. Such as the made up excuses to war with Iraq.

But righties have been looking for-- and making up-- Obama scandals from the moment he came into office. Such as the ridiculous and ongoing allegations that he's not a US citizen. Darryl Issa came to Congress and was appointed to head the government oversight committee. He's a hatchet man for the righties.

Issa said from the beginning that his job was to discredit the president any way he could. And he's been doing just that. And right-wingers have been foaming at the mouth over the last 4 years trying to discredit the president.

The rest of us want to see what the facts are.
Sam Lowree wrote:
<Of course it is. Those on your side of the political spectrum have been doing it for decades. Just ask Mao, Stalin, et al.
I don't know of any liberals who want to live under dictatorships such as those above. But I do see many righties sympathetic to the 14 signs of fascism.
Tea Party Solution

United States

#107 May 27, 2013
The fact is that political groups, dem and repub, have been calling themselves "social welfare" groups and getting away with it. This gives them a tax exempt status.

The original wording for allowing this status was that such groups had to be EXCLUSIVELY for promotion of social welfare. Somehow that wording was changed to PRIMARILY, and even that was largely ignored by the IRS.

The Cincinati office is sorely understaffed. And since tea party groups usually use terms such as 'tea party' and 'patriots' in their names, these were easy to target. There is no evidence that this targetting was politically motivated. It was a shortcut for employees in this understaffed office.

I'm open to new information and facts regarding whether there was political motivation involved or not-- unlike righties who think they already 'know' that not only was it political, but that the directive came from the president.

In the meanwhile Congress should revisit the entire issue and clarify specifically how to define social welfare groups. This should not be left up to the IRS.

But the repubs in Congress won't have time for such serious legislation. They're too busy with their anti-Obama hearings to get anything actually done.
A Toad Roady

Lincoln, CA

#108 May 27, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Obama has said that targetting tea party groups was wrong. Most dems have said it was wrong. Liberal media, including MSNBC have said it was wrong.
But there's no evidence that what this IRS was doing came from instructions from the top. With Bush, we saw many scandals coming from the top-- such as Cheney and Scooter Libby's outting of a CIA agent, Valerie Plame. Such as starting warrentless wire taps. Such as torture. Such as the made up excuses to war with Iraq.
But righties have been looking for-- and making up-- Obama scandals from the moment he came into office. Such as the ridiculous and ongoing allegations that he's not a US citizen. Darryl Issa came to Congress and was appointed to head the government oversight committee. He's a hatchet man for the righties.
Issa said from the beginning that his job was to discredit the president any way he could. And he's been doing just that. And right-wingers have been foaming at the mouth over the last 4 years trying to discredit the president.
The rest of us want to see what the facts are.
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I don't know of any liberals who want to live under dictatorships such as those above. But I do see many righties sympathetic to the 14 signs of fascism.
I disagree that to single out a group of people who say their organization is political and who is trying to get a 501C4 is wrong. Even the right wing talking heads and repubican politicians openly say all those “tea party” groups are political.

A 501C4 can’t by law be primarily a political organization.

Claiming to be a political organization trying to get a 501C4 is “probable cause” for enhanced scrutiny!
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#109 May 27, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
But the repubs in Congress won't have time for such serious legislation. They're too busy with their anti-Obama hearings to get anything actually done.
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History seems to repeat itself with the repubs....

The Tpublicans are as determined to nail some phony BS on Obama just as they were too preoccupied drumming up phony charges on Clinton instead of concerning themselves with the enemies of the United States such as Bin Ladin and Company....
The Infantile left Winged

Paradise, CA

#110 May 28, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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I do not recollect you objecting too strenuously when the IRS singled out Acorn for their "religious and political beliefs..."
Perhaps you should spend less time studying your heroes Hitler, Mao and Stalin and read up on science, real world economics and our form of government...
You idiot!!!
ACORN was a 501c3. It is Illegal to support the demorats!
HELLO! 501c3???

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#111 May 28, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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I do not recollect you objecting too strenuously when the IRS singled out Acorn for their "religious and political beliefs..."
I am taking it from your non reply that you are okay with the government singling out individuals based on their political or religious beliefs. Of course we already knew you do, as long as it is the Dems who are doing it. The ends justify the means, right comrade?
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#112 May 28, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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I am taking it from your non reply that you are okay with the government singling out individuals based on their political or religious beliefs. Of course we already knew you do, as long as it is the Dems who are doing it. The ends justify the means, right comrade?
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And I take it from a myriad of your nonsensical posts that it is OK for the government to single out liberal organizations as long as conservatives are allowed to literally get away with murder...
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#113 May 28, 2013
The Infantile left Winged wrote:
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You idiot!!!
ACORN was a 501c3. It is Illegal to support the demorats!
HELLO! 501c3???
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So what ...????

The IRS got on ACORN's case because they were criticizing the government, just like the T baggers were.... MORON!!!

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#114 May 28, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
In the meanwhile Congress should revisit the entire issue and clarify specifically how to define social welfare groups. This should not be left up to the IRS.
You are right. A government entity with entirely to much power. You should also mention the EPA as well. Why did they shut down Gibson guitars for doing exactly the same thing as Martin guitars?
sociopathic Liberals

Orland, CA

#115 May 28, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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So what ...????
The IRS got on ACORN's case because they were criticizing the government, just like the T baggers were.... MORON!!!
You beyond ignorant lemming!!!

CNN Exposes How ACORN Steals Votes For Democrats
ACORN's fraudulent practices were well established PRIOR to the election.

According to CNN, "Despite its (Acorn's) past, the Obama campaign gave $800,000 to ACORN to help fund its Primary registration drive, and ACORN has endorsed Barack Obama for president."

So Obama wins, ACORN wins, and the rest of us lose.
http://www.njteaparty.com/index.php...
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#116 May 28, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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You are right. A government entity with entirely to much power. You should also mention the EPA as well. Why did they shut down Gibson guitars for doing exactly the same thing as Martin guitars?
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I am simply amazed that someone who so hates the U.S government and it's agencies that you are still residing in this Country....

Maybe the difference is that Martin uses legally harvested exotic woods whereas Gibson got caught sneaking in falsely labeled woods....???
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#117 May 28, 2013
sociopathic Liberals wrote:
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You beyond ignorant lemming!!!
CNN Exposes How ACORN Steals Votes For Democrats
ACORN's fraudulent practices were well established PRIOR to the election.
According to CNN, "Despite its (Acorn's) past, the Obama campaign gave $800,000 to ACORN to help fund its Primary registration drive, and ACORN has endorsed Barack Obama for president."
So Obama wins, ACORN wins, and the rest of us lose.
http://www.njteaparty.com/index.php...
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And how is that different from T baggers trying to keep citizens from voting...?

In fact T baggers probably kept more people from voting than ACORN ever dreamed of stealing votes.

President OBAMA won because the voters figured out that Romney was a liar and theshits.

As for the reason why you are a loser?

Look no further than in your mirror....
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#118 May 28, 2013
Sam Lowree wrote:
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You are right. A government entity with entirely to much power.
The Congress has the power and responsibility to provide to the IRS exactly what the definition is of a "social welfare" group. THAT'S how the IRS' power should be handled-- with clear directives.
Sam Lowree wrote:
You should also mention the EPA as well. Why did they shut down Gibson guitars for doing exactly the same thing as Martin guitars?
Yeah, Fox News has resurrected this scandal-delirious BS. And Sam just sucks it all in, no questions asked.

Gibson KEPT importing this Malagasy rosewood after being informed it was criminal. Martin and other guitar manufacturers STOPPED importing this rosewood.

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-raid-on-g...

"To bolster its claim of political punishment, the Investors Business Daily editorial also claims that CF Martin and Co., Gibson's main competitor in the acoustic guitar market, advertises the "exact same wood" in its guitar catalog but was left alone because Martin CEO, Chris Martin, gives money to Democrats.

If IBD had bothered to look a little deeper it would have found that, although it is true that some Martin guitars have rosewood fretboards, it is also true that the Martin Guitar Co. stopped importing rosewood from Madagascar in 2009. In an Aug. 2011 NPR interview, Martin said about the Lacey Act, "I think it's a wonderful thing. I think illegal logging is appalling. It should stop. And if this is what it takes unfortunately to stop unscrupulous operators, I'm all for it.”

Four years ago, as we were freed from one of the most inept and dangerous administrations ever, righties like Sam just knew that Obama was the worst kenyan/ fascist/ commie president ever.

And now they watch Fox News, listen to rightwing nutjobs on the radio, and read avidly the conspiracy postulators on the internet-- and think that all their political wet dreams are coming true.
Tea Party Solution

Chico, CA

#119 May 28, 2013
Gibson, and other guitar companies, actually viewed the logging of this illegal wood. The other companies, seeing that it was illegal, stopped buying this wood. Gibson did NOT.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/05/28/in-de...

"Martin and Taylor promptly stopped using Madagascar woods; Gibson did not. Internal Gibson emails, as quoted by the US Attorney's office appear to indicate that Gibson knew that it was buying illegal woods. Federal officials seized that wood and as per the 2008 Lacey Act."

And yes, I know, the above source is mediamatters. Sam only trusts the fair and balanced Fox network.

Prove the CONTENT wrong, if you can.
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#120 May 28, 2013
Tea Party Solution wrote:
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Four years ago, as we were freed from one of the most inept and dangerous administrations ever, righties like Sam just knew that Obama was the worst kenyan/ fascist/ commie president ever.
And now they watch Fox News, listen to rightwing nutjobs on the radio, and read avidly the conspiracy postulators on the internet-- and think that all their political wet dreams are coming true.
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Great post and I love your closing statement SOLUTION...

Four years after Bush.W President OBAMA got reelected by a respectable margin, the economy is improving daily, unemployment is on a downward trend, the stock market has reached unprecedented heights, real estate prices are firming up, the US is becoming energy independent and "OBAMA care" will kick in in earnest next year....

Little SAMMY and the rest of our conservative friends here on TOPIX are beginning to get this uncomfortable feeling in the pit of their stomachs that President OBAMA will go down in History as one of America's greatest Presidents...

Therefore it does not surprise me that they latch onto every bit of national misfortune and attempt to spin it as President Obama's fault...

What a study in desperation they present us with...!!!!

“Government IS the problem.”

Since: Jan 08

Chico, CA

#121 May 28, 2013
"Additional scrutiny of conservative organizations’ activities by the IRS did not solely originate in the agency’s Cincinnati office, with requests for information coming from other offices and often bearing the signatures of higher-ups at the agency, according to attorneys representing some of the targeted groups. At least one letter requesting information about one of the groups bears the signature of Lois Lerner, the suspended director of the IRS Exempt Organizations department in Washington.

Among the letters were several that bore return IRS addresses other than Cincinnati, including "Department of the Treasury / Internal Revenue Service / Washington, D.C.," and the signatures of IRS officials higher up the chain. Two letters with "Department of the Treasury / Internal Revenue Service / Washington, D.C." letterhead were signed by "Tax Law Specialist(s)" from Exempt Organizations Technical Group 1 and Technical Group 2. Lerner’s signature, which appeared to be a stamp rather than an actual signature, appeared on a letter requesting additional information from the Ohio Liberty Council Corp."

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/05/...
The Infantile left Winged

Paradise, CA

#122 May 29, 2013
GRANDPA NICOLAI wrote:
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In fact T baggers probably kept more people from voting than ACORN ever dreamed of stealing votes.
And just how did that happen? pathological nicoliar.
The Tea Party was using the 'new black panthers'???
You are such an unbelievable imbecile... LMAO at you, you abnormally weak and wimpy liberal!
GRANDPA NICOLAI

Chico, CA

#123 May 29, 2013
The Infantile left Winged wrote:
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And just how did that happen? pathological nicoliar.
The Tea Party was using the 'new black panthers'???
You are such an unbelievable imbecile... LMAO at you, you abnormally weak and wimpy liberal!
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Educate yourself, you conservative MORON!

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/22/opinion/vot...

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