Crumpled Up Flags at DMV: Richmond ma...

Crumpled Up Flags at DMV: Richmond man upset after seeing US & Virg...

There are 177 comments on the WTVR story from Jun 8, 2010, titled Crumpled Up Flags at DMV: Richmond man upset after seeing US & Virg.... In it, WTVR reports that:

A Richmond man is upset with the Virginia Department of Motor Vehicles after he says he saw both the American flag and the flag of Virginia crumpled up together on a counter inside a DMV customer service branch.

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hunnicupp

Pasadena, CA

#124 Jun 9, 2010
I mean no disrespect, but this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard of. Are you seriously getting yourself all riled up because a guy took down a flag and didn't fold it? Are you serious? It's a piece of fabric. The flag itself is not what people have sacrificed their lives for. It's the country and the freedoms that we deserve. I'd rather people show respect to their fellow man, to the earth that we live on, to the freedoms and liberties that we have.
A flag is a symbol, and nothing more. It doesn't mean anything less if it is wrinkled, dirty, torn, or even set below another flag.
If you want to get all picky with how these peices of fabric are treated then you should be also fighting to uphold ALL the rules and laws. The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform. When the flag is displayed over a street, it should be hung vertically, with the union to the north or east. If the flag is suspended over a sidewalk, the flag's union should be farthest from the building.
These are only a FEW of the "rules" on how to handle and respect the flag.
My heros

Somerville, VA

#126 Jun 9, 2010
"Aren't there FAR more important things to report about? Big deal."

I am so glad that this issue was addressed. I take a great deal of pride in being blessed to be born and raised in this great country of ours and it is so sad to see a comment of this nature.
I have a cousin that was in the Marines, my father-in-law that faught in Vietnam, and a brother-in-law who is currently in service with the Army and has had three tours in Iraq. I am very proud of every soldier that defends our freedom. I hope that you reconsider your values and support your country as it has been supporting all of us. God Bless the USA!
hunnicupp

Pasadena, CA

#125 Jun 9, 2010
SLP wrote:
I'm not aware of the flag code indicating that gathering the flag in a bundle was incorrect. Can someone point out where it states that?
you can find all the "rules" at www.usflag.org
Kyle

Richmond, VA

#127 Jun 9, 2010
UMMMYEAH wrote:
So how about useing your time for things like feeding the hungry kids of Richmond rather than complane about this. If people put half as much time into helping others as they do complaning the world would be a beautiful place!!
You have repeated yourself at least twice now. If this is so important to you then why is this not your topic to present to the news and build awareness? Why is this not something you feel so strong about not to be offended when it is right in your face?
Dead Vet

United States

#128 Jun 9, 2010
hunnicupp wrote:
I mean no disrespect, but this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard of. Are you seriously getting yourself all riled up because a guy took down a flag and didn't fold it? Are you serious? It's a piece of fabric. The flag itself is not what people have sacrificed their lives for. It's the country and the freedoms that we deserve. I'd rather people show respect to their fellow man, to the earth that we live on, to the freedoms and liberties that we have.
A flag is a symbol, and nothing more. It doesn't mean anything less if it is wrinkled, dirty, torn, or even set below another flag.
If you want to get all picky with how these peices of fabric are treated then you should be also fighting to uphold ALL the rules and laws. The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform. When the flag is displayed over a street, it should be hung vertically, with the union to the north or east. If the flag is suspended over a sidewalk, the flag's union should be farthest from the building.
These are only a FEW of the "rules" on how to handle and respect the flag.
You still do not get it... This is more than a peice of cloth and of course following every flag rule would be a little crazy. BUT we are talking about a goverment building wear a flag is trown on somones desk and no one for weeks says any thing about it. This a sign of no respcet and a failing of our society a breakdown in respect for what at one time we all saluted every day before class. That was rasied in every battle we won to show our liberty Yes It Is A Very Big Deal. I am glad to see you went on the internet and did a little studying on the proper handling of a flag. No I do not think we need to go crazy... This is a goverment building and they have a responabilty to We the People and Flag they serve. If this was your house than that would be your choice...
dmv fan

Quinton, VA

#129 Jun 9, 2010
What the security gaurd did was wrong, no doubt. But you cant put this on DMV emplpoyees. They work hard every day dealing with irate customers and complex policy. Policy that has to be translated into lamens terms. They are skilled customer service employees who dont recieve the respect that they deserve. And yes, there is always the teller with an attitude, she has probally been there 30 years. If I figuritivly changed diapers everyday for 30 years, I would have a chip on my shoulder too.

Since: May 10

Hoschton, GA

#130 Jun 9, 2010
hunnicupp wrote:
I mean no disrespect, but this is the most ridiculous thing I've heard of. Are you seriously getting yourself all riled up because a guy took down a flag and didn't fold it? Are you serious? It's a piece of fabric. The flag itself is not what people have sacrificed their lives for. It's the country and the freedoms that we deserve. I'd rather people show respect to their fellow man, to the earth that we live on, to the freedoms and liberties that we have.
A flag is a symbol, and nothing more. It doesn't mean anything less if it is wrinkled, dirty, torn, or even set below another flag.
If you want to get all picky with how these peices of fabric are treated then you should be also fighting to uphold ALL the rules and laws. The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes, or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform. When the flag is displayed over a street, it should be hung vertically, with the union to the north or east. If the flag is suspended over a sidewalk, the flag's union should be farthest from the building.
These are only a FEW of the "rules" on how to handle and respect the flag.
I completely agree. Some of the people here seem to worship the flag, yet disrespect other Americans and our US President. I find it ironic people here are such "hypocrites" for lack of a better term. This is America and it is in GOD we trust, not a man made flag.

Exodus 20:2–17

2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
3 Do not have any other gods before me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of *ANYTHING* that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall NOT bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
Dead Vet

United States

#131 Jun 9, 2010
x-ray wrote:
<quoted text>
I completely agree. Some of the people here seem to worship the flag, yet disrespect other Americans and our US President. I find it ironic people here are such "hypocrites" for lack of a better term. This is America and it is in GOD we trust, not a man made flag.
Exodus 20:2–17
2 I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery;
3 Do not have any other gods before me.
4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of *ANYTHING* that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 You shall NOT bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,
6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.
You are mixing God and country some do not belive in God and they as US citizens have every right. Thus the Flag becomes the symbol of our unity to persue Life and liberty from any persecution so while God may rule your Life the Flag stands for your rihgts to do so freely while not pesecuting others so the Flag and God is like Apples and Oranges not the same thing. Read the constitution and worship your God as you wish. But leave the flag out of it. The Flag would have meant much more to you if we had a Nazi Flag over the whitehouse and the only God you would be worshipping would be Hitler. So yes in this case The Flag is a more important symbol than your perticular God...AMEN
virginia boy

Quinton, VA

#132 Jun 9, 2010
WOW!!! you have no idea how much truth you speak dmv fan. Its like every time i go into that place im surronded by idiots! i sit in the front row and listen with only half of my brain and i can figure out whats going on. i hear a customer asking the same question 4 times in one transaction. if i had to take a geuss, and an educated one, i would at least 80% of american citizens have no idea what is going on, much less care to even try and figure it out. Im glad at least we have citizens like Mr. Capek to spot malcontents. God bless the USA!!
John

United States

#133 Jun 9, 2010
Just another example of a government agency personnel not thinking before they finalize an action. They should have specified the proper care of our nations flag in the contract. You can bet your boots they have thought of every angle to force the common citizens to comply. But like all agencies it is someone elses fault when they commit an error.

Since: May 10

Hoschton, GA

#134 Jun 9, 2010
Dead Vet wrote:
<quoted text>
You are mixing God and country some do not belive in God and they as US citizens have every right. Thus the Flag becomes the symbol of our unity to persue Life and liberty from any persecution so while God may rule your Life the Flag stands for your rihgts to do so freely while not pesecuting others so the Flag and God is like Apples and Oranges not the same thing. Read the constitution and worship your God as you wish. But leave the flag out of it. The Flag would have meant much more to you if we had a Nazi Flag over the whitehouse and the only God you would be worshipping would be Hitler. So yes in this case The Flag is a more important symbol than your perticular God...AMEN
Without God there would not be man, nor America, nor American flag.

This country was founded by the Christian faith. Early Americans didn't even have a "American flag" they had the Holy Bible.
Get A LIFE

Quinton, VA

#135 Jun 9, 2010
Really, all the problems we all have at DMV and you worry about that. Could have been many reasons those flags were balled up, there is only 1 guard working at a time. True the American flag should always be respected but before you go taking pictures, maybe you should speak up to the security officer that you say is working ALONE, and ask him why the flags are that way.
Dead Vet

United States

#136 Jun 9, 2010
x-ray wrote:
<quoted text>
Without God there would not be man, nor America, nor American flag.
This country was founded by the Christian faith. Early Americans didn't even have a "American flag" they had the Holy Bible.
You are correct, actually Prostants, Chatlics were not invitded but we have come a long way and I respect your right to belive as you wish the Christian Faith may have been ebolished if it were not for people of all faiths that gave there lives for the Flag a a symbol of of unity while God may drive your car the flag is the road that lets you get there!!!!!
unconcerned citizen

Houston, TX

#137 Jun 9, 2010
is the folding of a flag really that high on your list of importance? i'm not trying to water down what you've done and what it stands for but why not use that energy towards something that matters.
glenn

AOL

#138 Jun 9, 2010
Fire the guard company totally. Contract with a new company and demand the proper treatment of our flags. Too many good american service men and woman have died for it. Have some damn respect.

The managers at dmv could fold it.
Eric Capek

Richmond, VA

#139 Jun 9, 2010
unconcerned citizen wrote:
is the folding of a flag really that high on your list of importance? i'm not trying to water down what you've done and what it stands for but why not use that energy towards something that matters.
As you can see, this does matter too many people, including myself. Moreover, as I have already mentioned, I have invested my time into other "important" social matters. Also previously mentioned, this did not require much time of mine, a few e-mails, a phone call and about 30 minutes to do the interview.
Eric Capek

Richmond, VA

#140 Jun 9, 2010
Get A LIFE wrote:
Really, all the problems we all have at DMV and you worry about that. Could have been many reasons those flags were balled up, there is only 1 guard working at a time. True the American flag should always be respected but before you go taking pictures, maybe you should speak up to the security officer that you say is working ALONE, and ask him why the flags are that way.
I never said this was the "only" problem there. In fact, it was only one of the issues I had that brought me to this point. Before sending any e-mails to media outlets, I contacted the DMV "help-desk" directly and was told they could not help me. Therefore, the lack of help from the help-desk, which is an issue I am sure many other customers have experienced, was also corrected. I completely understand one person lowering the flags could not do it appropriately; however, there is no reason the flags could not be folded and stored once inside, using the very desk in the photograph for support. I agree I could have said something to the security officer each time, but how would you respond if a stranger approached you at work and advised you that you were doing your job incorrectly?
correct english

Quinton, VA

#141 Jun 9, 2010
Eric Capek wrote:
<quoted text>
As you can see, this does matter too many people, including myself. Moreover, as I have already mentioned, I have invested my time into other "important" social matters. Also previously mentioned, this did not require much time of mine, a few e-mails, a phone call and about 30 minutes to do the interview.
It is "matter to many". Your a good citizen, you just need to read a bit more. Thanks for your service!!!
Eric Capek

Richmond, VA

#142 Jun 9, 2010
correct english wrote:
<quoted text>
It is "matter to many". Your a good citizen, you just need to read a bit more. Thanks for your service!!!
Yeah, I "fat fingered" that but there is no way to change it...
Renaldo

United States

#143 Jun 9, 2010
I served in the Corps. The way we posted our colors is the way this flag is entitled to be treated as if it is holy thread. At dusk when we would take them down and fold them using two people to make sure it ended up in the shape of a paper football where all you could see was blue, no red. And should you ever drop it on the deck or let it touch the deck god help you. I don't expect that perfection from every organization in Va, especially Government run organizations but you have to look at DMV and see how far they have dropped in their clientèle of employees. Within the last fifteen years alone.(Robin, that doesn't mean you) The clerks either ignore you and do not speak to you or are down right rude. It's like they hired everyone right from the Ghetto with attitudes on how everyone owes them something. And you expect them to have respect towards our national colors? None of it surprises me. If I would have seen the flag balled up like that, I would have taken it and fixed it and fought off anyone who tried to stop me.

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