Squirrelly New Land Deal

Squirrelly New Land Deal

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Jimmy B

Richmond, KY

#1 Jan 12, 2012
The rumor is that a six hundred bedroom development for college students on Barnes Mill Road at Eastway Drive has been unofficially approved by certain members of the Richmond City Commission.

Of course, the project has not been before the planning and zoning commission or the citizens of Richmond.

It is said to be a partnership between Hallmark Campus Communities and local unnamed developers.

An example community at East Tennessee State:

http://www.hccliving.com/about #!__portfolio/university-edge

My question ...

Didnít the last bunch of commissioners get voted out of office for cooking up squirrelly land deals with local developers behind the citizens backs?
Mike Brewer

Richmond, KY

#2 Jan 12, 2012
The property in question is behind John Lackey's house near the Marathon gas station, correct? If memory serves correct, the land is approximately 25 acres of undeveloped land and owned by Lackey's sister. It was brought before the commission but voted down due to the impact of vehicular and pedestrian traffic that the intersection of Lancaster and Barnes Mill Road could not handle. The cross walk at Lancaster Road from about 10 years ago was a major point of emphasis in voting this down.
Lets stop it again

Richmond, KY

#3 Jan 12, 2012
Yes thats the same property and the same deal. The developers and owners will be Bill Ramsey and Brian Ramsey that own hundreds of apts in richmond. They bought the land and thought it would be a push over, but met loads of objection to this and now they have laid low and circled the wagons with new commissioners again.I'm not against people making money, but as eeveryone in that area knows, it is a complete headache at times with traffic now, can you even begin to imagine what it would be like if developed?
Jimmy B

Richmond, KY

#4 Jan 12, 2012
Lets stop it again wrote:
Yes thats the same property and the same deal. The developers and owners will be Bill Ramsey and Brian Ramsey...
Not the Ramseys...

Think King of Madison County...
wow

Richmond, KY

#5 Jan 12, 2012
"King of Madison County"----huuummm----sou nds like A.D. Grant must be involved, correct?
Screwed again

United States

#6 Jan 13, 2012
It's Worley and Brent Rice....lol all the way to the bank! Haha
Any one know

Richmond, KY

#7 Jan 13, 2012
Does anyone have any knowledge when there will be a public meeting on this, or does anyone know who I could be calling about it now, I AM TOTALY AGAINST IT!!!I live in this area and traffic is a mess already.
StopHallmarkRich mond

Richmond, KY

#8 Jan 13, 2012
Any one know wrote:
Does anyone have any knowledge when there will be a public meeting on this, or does anyone know who I could be calling about it now, I AM TOTALY AGAINST IT!!!I live in this area and traffic is a mess already.
This project was originally scheduled for the January 17th Planning and Zoning workshop and January 26th public hearing. However, because a key component of the project application was not ready for this month's planning and zoning cycle, it has been slightly delayed.

If you are against the project, personally and respectfully contact members of the Richmond City Commission to voice your concerns and remind them that this is an election year.

Also, attend this months planning and zoning workshop and business meetings - city hall - January 17th & 26th - 5:30 PM - so that they can gauge your interest.

Finally, you can email your contact information (name, address and phone number) to [email protected] to stay informed and volunteer.
Any one know

Richmond, KY

#9 Jan 14, 2012
Thanks for the information, and you are right, it is a election year. City Commissioner Richard Thomas lives just down the street in Stonewall and he knows this will greatly impact our area.I was hoping a petition would be going around, because I'm sure hundreds of people in this area would sign one.
Dowmtowner

Richmond, KY

#10 Jan 14, 2012
That property is perfectly situated for an urban/college use. Any competent planner would tell you that. Heck, common sense tells you that.

The link to Hallmark is quite helpful. Looks like an upscale project with an established company. This is good first step to integrate the campus community with our urban/downtown area. I just hope they grid the access to to the project through High Street & Pembroke/Stratford Drive.
Marnie

United States

#11 Jan 14, 2012
The person getting this done is Ed Worley. The Ramsey's were voted down and accepted that. Ed Worley on the other hand would not accept that and has filed to get this done. Face it Madison County, Ed is a powerful force to be reckoned with and he will prevail. He will get this done. He has a great deal of political backing and people that will vote his way. He is not concerned with what any of Richmond thinks or feels. He got the courthouse annex passed didn't he? In all honest the first street project was an improvement. The fact he made big money on it is his good luck.
Pay Back Time

Richmond, KY

#12 Jan 14, 2012
Well now, if Ed Worley is behind this it is a done deal. Ann Durham and Ed Worley backed Jim Barnes and now it's time for pay back.
Skeptical

Richmond, KY

#13 Jan 14, 2012
Dowmtowner wrote:
That property is perfectly situated for an urban/college use. Any competent planner would tell you that ... an upscale project with an established company ... This is good first step to integrate the campus community with our urban/downtown area ....
So DowMtowner,

What criteria would a "competent planner" cite to justify that this property is perfect for the suggested high density student residential use?

You may note that the Hallmark website only shows the company's new "upscale" projects. What do you suppose the "aged" properties look like after a few years of student life?

University Commons on Red Mile in Lexington comes to mind. Have you seen them recently?
GetRealBarnesMil l

Richmond, KY

#14 Jan 14, 2012
Skeptical wrote:
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So DowMtowner,
What criteria would a "competent planner" cite to justify that this property is perfect for the suggested high density student residential use?
You may note that the Hallmark website only shows the company's new "upscale" projects. What do you suppose the "aged" properties look like after a few years of student life?
University Commons on Red Mile in Lexington comes to mind. Have you seen them recently?
Better than a 10 story dorm. Which is what you are going to get if private development fails. Don't know whose advising the citizen horde, but they should be working to get acceptable limits on multi-unit private development rather than insanely insisting on single family designation.A

A reminder: EKU is not subject to local zoning. The university can build whatever it wants.
Will

United States

#15 Jan 14, 2012
Pay Back Time wrote:
Well now, if Ed Worley is behind this it is a done deal. Ann Durham and Ed Worley backed Jim Barnes and now it's time for pay back.
This person understands the process. It is a done deal just as described.
Skeptical

Richmond, KY

#16 Jan 14, 2012
GetRealBarnesMill wrote:
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Better than a 10 story dorm. Which is what you are going to get if private development fails.... A reminder: EKU is not subject to local zoning. The university can build whatever it wants.
Great attempt at a scare tactic.

However, from what I hear, that argument is already off the table.

A 10 story dorm governed by campus rules enforced by campus police vs a privately (out of town) owned student housing development with only the overworked and under paid Richmond Police Department to control the chaos? The former wins hands down.

Unfortunately, only a privately owned for profit ("no maintenance" "cash cow") rental company can afford to pay the price John Lackey and Jessie Fennell are asking for the two tracts on Barnes Mill.

Eastern's new dorm, if there is one, will be on Summit, not Barnes Mill.

Dow>>>M<<<to wner spoke from a "competent planner" point of view, yet no criteria has been offered suggesting that these tracts are the perfect place for high density student housing.

Can you offer any "GetReal..."?

PS: Could you cite the statute that excludes EKU from planning and zoning?
GetRealBarnesMil l

Richmond, KY

#17 Jan 14, 2012
Duh, across the street from classrooms for 17,000 kids? Smells, looks & walks like a high density DUCK to me. Methinks Downtowner said something about common sense. But hey, the horde at Barnes Mill is not about common sense, it all about "NOT IN MY BACKYARD".

Ain't no lawyer Skep so I can't give you a KRS, but I know a couple suits & that's what they are saying. Don't ask Fowles 'cause he don't know nuthin & besides, he just say what they want him to say.

Anyhoo, just look around. EKU tore down houses on the lower end of Summit, put up a parking lot. Bought the sliver on Lancaster, put in a parking lot. Bought the Alumni house on Lancaster, don't think anyone lives there,and guess what, put in parking lot. i could go on & on, but all the above had to be classified as residential prior to EKU seizure & use. EKU is exempt I tell ya.

The conspiracy theorists are gonna shout "Worley!", but it is obvious that the logical and practical use of the property is as student housing or as a part of EKU's campus.
RODEN

Richmond, KY

#18 Jan 14, 2012
If Worley is behind this project than it will be time to finally update http://www.EdWorley.net to show some of Brent Rice's shennanigans too. Any partner of Ed Worley is fair game for having their unethical work exposed.
bushwhacker

Richmond, KY

#19 Jan 14, 2012
When it is all said and done,worley and associates will make another fourtune at tax payer expense.
Just Askin

Richmond, KY

#20 Jan 14, 2012
How would it be at the taxpayers expense?

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