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Libertarian

Paducah, KY

#21 Mar 22, 2013
Hmm wrote:
Here's a thought.. If we make tuition higher and higher no ones coming to college / eastern. Lots of friends of mine have already transferred to UK. Some have just quit to save money, the tuition itself is keeping us from going to school. Is it Alex jones, I think so, if we're uneducated the gov can lead us like cows to slaughter in whatever endeavor they choose fit. Keep us dumb and well follow w/ no questions asked..
The worst problem is not college, nor can the problem be fixed just by reducing college enrollment. The real problem is at the K-12 level. A high school diploma used to mean something because only a fraction of all people got one. A hundred years ago most people left school at the end of the 8th grade. Only the better ones went on to high school. Only a fraction of those went on to college. Even as recently as 30 years ago a big percentage dropped out as soon as they turned 16. The ones that dropped out were the ones that were not smart enough to learn, the ones that did not have the moral character for it, the troublemakers, etc.

Now we have "No Child Left Behind" and laws that keep every kid in school until they are 18. The result is that a high school diploma no longer has any value because everybody automatically gets one just by filling a seat for 12 years at taxpayers expense. Then the government decided that college should be open to everybody. In the 1960s-70s just about all anybody had to do to go to college was sign their name and the taxpayers footed the bill. As a result a college degree became what a high school diploma used to be.
Against

United States

#22 Mar 22, 2013
Libertarian wrote:
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The worst problem is not college, nor can the problem be fixed just by reducing college enrollment. The real problem is at the K-12 level. A high school diploma used to mean something because only a fraction of all people got one. A hundred years ago most people left school at the end of the 8th grade. Only the better ones went on to high school. Only a fraction of those went on to college. Even as recently as 30 years ago a big percentage dropped out as soon as they turned 16. The ones that dropped out were the ones that were not smart enough to learn, the ones that did not have the moral character for it, the troublemakers, etc.
Now we have "No Child Left Behind" and laws that keep every kid in school until they are 18. The result is that a high school diploma no longer has any value because everybody automatically gets one just by filling a seat for 12 years at taxpayers expense. Then the government decided that college should be open to everybody. In the 1960s-70s just about all anybody had to do to go to college was sign their name and the taxpayers footed the bill. As a result a college degree became what a high school diploma used to be.
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The news just stated 54 public schools in Chicago will close to to the debt , their broke.. Keeping us uneducated will be on the list of the state. There's a bad cycle coming, keeping the public uneducated. Lowest enrollment at eku ever!! That's why budget cuts. If teachers aren't paid enough, it's not enough to care either.. No one can afford the rising tuition, therefore need for professors will be less. Another reason the Chicago schools are closing the news stated was because the schools are only half filled.. It's a plan I swear the gov now WANTS us to be uneducated. Taking out the middle class, only leaving the poor and the rich as nobility. We're so screwed.. My second and last year at eastern, hoping to finish it out.. Education now is gonna have to be on the back burner, I didn't get much aid and my checks are cut 45$ less every 2 weeks! I WAS making it.. But almost 100 less every month means cutting back.. Education, gas, food, car, roof... Education has to take a back seat. Makes me sad.. Tax payers can't pay for education for us now.. Tax payers have to help with the debt.. Education is on the back burner for all u.s now.. Also being said eku with tuition hike has nothing to offer other than education. To have fun, we all go to Lexington! Use to be every one came here far and wide to go to Main Street where the bars are. THAT'S gone, I came here before I started years ago got that, we all knew Richmond was hopping! Now nothing here to do, school? Work? This city is suffering without college. It WAS a college down.. Can we say that still? All businesses and schools here going down the drain, the city itself is broke and no one can/wants to change it ..#sad
abc

Richmond, KY

#23 Mar 22, 2013
People show how intellegent they are by getting "eduated" in the things where there is no job market, then they cry about it.
Libertarian

Paducah, KY

#24 Mar 22, 2013
To Against:

Like most liberals you seem to think that the Tea Party is made up of a bunch of rich people. That is wrong. Most of the Tea Party is people like me. I grew up poor in eastern Kentucky. My grandparents on both sides moved to Kentucky from the mountains of western Virginia in the 1930s. They were mountain folks in the Great Depression poor. But they were people who believed in hard work. They would never, never, never accept a handout of any kind from the government. To them it taking welfare was the worst thing that anybody could do. They put it right up there with stealing. When food stamps came along some county social worker begged my grandmother to take them, but she flatly refused. The very fact that somebody that worked for the government suggested that she do it horrified her. I remember it. She was upset for weeks afterward.

They instilled those values in me. I worked hard and made it into the upper middle class. I did it without a college education. Back then, when I was college age, all you had to do to go to college was sign your name and they'd give you free tuition. It was called Basic Education Opportunity Grant. They gave me the papers at school and I tossed them in the trash. I wasn't about to take a government handout.

I worked for 40 years to get what I have. It infuriates me that some people want to tax me so that they can go to free college and then expect to get everything that it took me a lifetime to get in 5 or 6 years.

As for the government and the Tea Party being in a conspiracy, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. The Tea Party and Libertarians are AGAINST government. The less government that we have the better.

To ABC:

No. It does not matter much what people are being educated in. Sure, the are too many "humanities" majors, but over education is across the board. You name it, engineers, all kinds of techincal fields, the story is the same: too many people educated to do too few jobs.
abc

Richmond, KY

#25 Mar 22, 2013
Libertarian wrote:
To Against:
Like most liberals you seem to think that the Tea Party is made up of a bunch of rich people. That is wrong. Most of the Tea Party is people like me. I grew up poor in eastern Kentucky. My grandparents on both sides moved to Kentucky from the mountains of western Virginia in the 1930s. They were mountain folks in the Great Depression poor. But they were people who believed in hard work. They would never, never, never accept a handout of any kind from the government. To them it taking welfare was the worst thing that anybody could do. They put it right up there with stealing. When food stamps came along some county social worker begged my grandmother to take them, but she flatly refused. The very fact that somebody that worked for the government suggested that she do it horrified her. I remember it. She was upset for weeks afterward.
They instilled those values in me. I worked hard and made it into the upper middle class. I did it without a college education. Back then, when I was college age, all you had to do to go to college was sign your name and they'd give you free tuition. It was called Basic Education Opportunity Grant. They gave me the papers at school and I tossed them in the trash. I wasn't about to take a government handout.
I worked for 40 years to get what I have. It infuriates me that some people want to tax me so that they can go to free college and then expect to get everything that it took me a lifetime to get in 5 or 6 years.
As for the government and the Tea Party being in a conspiracy, that is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. The Tea Party and Libertarians are AGAINST government. The less government that we have the better.
To ABC:
No. It does not matter much what people are being educated in. Sure, the are too many "humanities" majors, but over education is across the board. You name it, engineers, all kinds of techincal fields, the story is the same: too many people educated to do too few jobs.
you win
Richmond Guy

Winchester, KY

#26 Jun 22, 2013
The task force had made its recommendation. They have tried to cut $23 million dollars or 10% from the budget and came up a little short. The stated reason for doing this was to give the new president some flexibility in his spending.

To do this, jobs have been eliminated, program have been eliminated, good workers have been RIF-ed, and others have had to take an early buy-out.

I would have felt much more confidence in the process if everyone from department head on up took a 10% cut in salary. If not them, at least the people on the task force.

This would have (1) resulted in substantial savings and would have pushed the task force closer to making its mark,(2) would show us that the people running the university can feel our pain, and (3) they can lead by example.

What has happened is a situation has been created that no one has faith in the process, and little respect for the results.
Paula Deen

United States

#27 Jun 23, 2013
I am hopeful the new president will come in and clean house again. There are still a lot of hogs at the trough and the State & University would be better served if they were sent to the market.
To Research

Richmond, KY

#28 Jun 25, 2013
Trying to reason with these denizens is pointless. They never let the facts get in the way of their point. The irony here is that the very ignorance a regional comprehensive university tries to combat will most likely succumb to it.
trucker-buddy

United States

#29 Jun 25, 2013
To Research wrote:
Trying to reason with these denizens is pointless. They never let the facts get in the way of their point. The irony here is that the very ignorance a regional comprehensive university tries to combat will most likely succumb to it.
You are probably right.

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