EKU budget cuts
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Hmm

Richmond, KY

#1 Mar 20, 2013
Here's a topic I find absolutely ridiculous.

They are talking about cutting the salaries of professors by 10 percent next year at EKU. Yet, they build another stupid new building or two every year that they DON'T NEED, and letting the old buildings just sit there. They have tons and tons of parking that doesn't get used 90 percent of the time because it is off-limits to commuters, so there's a waste of money also.

EKU needs to bring its focus back to the students and the professors. Professors are FAR more important than a stupid new building. The whole point of the school is to educate people!

EKU would be great if they simply got rid of all the bureaucracy and the selfish people in charge and put people in charge with a HELPFUL vision of how to make Eastern a great school.
asaprof

Richmond, KY

#2 Mar 20, 2013
I teach there, and I'm wondering where the "tons and tons" of parking you are referring to are. This might be the first semester ever where it seemed like parking was adequate.

Also, we teach in a rather old building. What stupid old buildings are just sitting there? I don't think the new science building is stupid. The US is lagging behind its global competition in the sciences, so I don't resent their department getting a new building. I just wish I could hold out hope for our department (not a STEM field) getting a new building in the future.

I also haven't heard anything about a salary paycut. I wonder where you are hearing this.
what

Richmond, KY

#3 Mar 20, 2013
First of all, EKU doesn't pay for new buildings. The state funds such projects. Secondly, not sure where you got your info but that one isn't true. For many, it should be but it's not.

As for parking you're insane. The only benefit in lower enrollment is actually finding a place to park for a change.
LiberTEA

Paducah, KY

#4 Mar 21, 2013
Education is at the root of this country's problems. The problem is not that we are producing too few educated people. Fact is we are producing too many of them, far more than there is a demand for in the job market.
abc

Richmond, KY

#5 Mar 21, 2013
seems that you people are crazy except for maybe that prof. the state did not fund the last three buildings that were opened and will not fund that new dorm. but all these new buildings are needed. the problem is not lack of educated people OR too many educated people.it is people being educated in unnessessary stuff. they should look into getting educated in stuff where there IS a job market.
silly

Lexington, KY

#6 Mar 21, 2013
i say we just close the doors there, level the whole place out, and build another super (duper) wal-mart
Libertarian

Dawson Springs, KY

#7 Mar 21, 2013
Education, like any other service, should be delivered by the free market, not the state.

As to professor's salaries beign reduced, I don't see that they have anything to complain about. Starting salary is what $75,000 - 85,000? Goes up to what $125,000 after 4 years? They should start at about $65,000 and make no more than 75,000 after 4 years.
what

Richmond, KY

#8 Mar 21, 2013
Completely incorrect, depends on what college you are in. Arts & Sciences faculty start at 40K or 45K in many cases. There is NO going up since there are NO raises. The only way you get $$ is to go through promotion and that doesn't amount to much. There are few faculty making 100K a year at EKU.
Research before posting

Richmond, KY

#9 Mar 21, 2013
To Libertarian,

I wish starting salaries were as you think. Let me check my old pay stubs real quick -- started at $45,000 seven years ago at EKU and now at $50,000. I will top out at $54,000 not counting COLA increases. Now, if you would like to see the starting salaries you are referencing, you would need to look up in Lexington and not in Richmond. You can access the salary database for both universities via Kentucky.com . So please do a little research before your next post.
Libertarian

Dawson Springs, KY

#10 Mar 21, 2013
Research before posting wrote:
To Libertarian,
I wish starting salaries were as you think. Let me check my old pay stubs real quick -- started at $45,000 seven years ago at EKU and now at $50,000. I will top out at $54,000 not counting COLA increases. Now, if you would like to see the starting salaries you are referencing, you would need to look up in Lexington and not in Richmond. You can access the salary database for both universities via Kentucky.com . So please do a little research before your next post.
Nice try at bluffing, but there is nothing at that site about professor's salaries. But if salaries really are that low, it proves LiberTEA's point that we are educating too many people. Salaries are a function of supply and demand, and if the supply is that great in relation to demand then too many people are being educated.

Privitization of all education and have everybody pay their own way is the best most workable and fairest way to end that problem.
Research before posting

Richmond, KY

#11 Mar 21, 2013
To Libertarian, again

Please research before posting. Here is the link since you can't seem to find it.

http://www.kentucky.com/2010/12/15/563166/new...

All salaries at state universities are public record.

And if this link does not happen to work, please try searching Kentucky.com in the public records section. You can search any of the state universities. It is really not that hard to find.
abc

Richmond, KY

#12 Mar 21, 2013
unfortunately, you have to pay now (on ky.com )
peeps

Richmond, KY

#13 Mar 21, 2013
Yes, Research before Posting.
Libertarian

Dawson Springs, KY

#14 Mar 21, 2013
Research before posting wrote:
To Libertarian, again
Please research before posting. Here is the link since you can't seem to find it.
http://www.kentucky.com/2010/12/15/563166/new...
All salaries at state universities are public record.
And if this link does not happen to work, please try searching Kentucky.com in the public records section. You can search any of the state universities. It is really not that hard to find.
OK. I was misinformed about salaries. The figures I heard must have been national or from some state with a higher pay scale.

That still does not change my basic conviction that we have educated too many people. I do not think that the government should be involved in education in any way. Education is a service that should be provided by private enterprise.
No you dont

Berea, KY

#15 Mar 21, 2013
You do not have to pay to see salaries..
abc wrote:
unfortunately, you have to pay now (on ky.com )
Research before posting

Richmond, KY

#16 Mar 21, 2013
To Libertarian, yet again...

First, let me say that I am glad that you acknowledge that you were misinformed about the salaries of college professors.

However,

In your own words: "We have educated too many people".

When did education become a bad thing?

Then why send anyone to K-12? Or higher education for that matter?

When did becoming learned and aware become a bad thing?

Libertarian

Dawson Springs, KY

#17 Mar 21, 2013
When more goods are produced and than the market can absorb the reaction of industry is to cut back production. The same should hold true for education. There are only so many jobs for people with a certain level of education. Educating more people than there are jobs for those people to do makes no sense. It is a waste of money. It also creates a dangerous social situation, the kind that produces disturbances and revolutions. That holds true at every level of education, not just college.

A healthy society is shaped like a pyramid, with a broad, wide base of low educated workers who do the most menial jobs at the bottom and a tiny highly educated elite at the top. In between are many layers, each one a little smaller and a little better educated than the one below it. The tasks that people do in the economy are arranged the same way.

Our system of "free" public schools (combined with welfare) has distorted the structure of American society. Its base of low-grade workers is too small and the structure is top heavy with people for who there are not enough jobs. Our education system teaches kids that if they have a certain level of education they can expect and should do work that is appropriate to their education level. You see it right on classroom doors in those posters that say how much more money someone with a high school diploma will make as opposed to not having one, how much more if they go to college, etc.

There is also the fact that the bottom quarter or so of humanity is made up of people who by nature are lazy and shiftless. Their nature is to work as little as necessary to support themselves. Give those people that kind of teaching in school and make it possible for them not to work by giving them welfare and you have a recipe for disaster.
abc

Richmond, KY

#18 Mar 22, 2013
No you dont wrote:
You do not have to pay to see salaries..
<quoted text>
How do you do it?
abc

Richmond, KY

#19 Mar 22, 2013
nevermind. i figured it out. my pop up blocker got turned off.
Hmm

United States

#20 Mar 22, 2013
Here's a thought.. If we make tuition higher and higher no ones coming to college / eastern. Lots of friends of mine have already transferred to UK. Some have just quit to save money, the tuition itself is keeping us from going to school. Is it Alex jones, I think so, if we're uneducated the gov can lead us like cows to slaughter in whatever endeavor they choose fit. Keep us dumb and well follow w/ no questions asked..

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