The Rapture-coming soon!!
Derp-Free

West Liberty, KY

#648 Feb 7, 2014
really wrote:
If you were truly interested, you'd do your own research, I'm sure. You are on the information highway, as you know.
As a matter of fact, I have 30+years of research and a college degree in Theology under my belt. Some might say that would indicate I just may know a little of what I'm talking about.
Derp-Free

West Liberty, KY

#649 Feb 7, 2014
I was interested in YOUR research and YOUR sources.
blah

Ironton, OH

#650 Feb 7, 2014
Derp-Free wrote:
I was interested in YOUR research and YOUR sources.
you are expecting rational research principles, or encouraging their adoption, by those who believe whatever is printed in their ancient tome of choice, or whatever interpretation is shouted loudest by their preferred shaman. most hard-core believers have either imagined magic, attributed some positive incidental occurrence in their lives to the divine, or have merely adopted the superstitions of their fore-bearers and are deeply indoctrinated beyond recall.

they will cling to their delusions like a psychological life raft, for whatever reason unwilling or unable to tread the waters of boring, non-magical reality. they'll not even realize their folly when their consciousness winks out at the end of their lives, for at that point, no one is electrochemically capable of realizing anything anymore.

so if in what life they have their beliefs give them strength or solace or purpose, and can be practiced without being overly oppressive to those who don't deign to drink their brand of kool-aid, let em be. there's little you can do to fix them, anyway.
Derp-Free

West Liberty, KY

#651 Feb 8, 2014
I know, I know...

I just hold out hope that some people of faith can learn (like I did) to actually UNDERSTAND their faith and the reasons they believe as they do, instead of mindlessly repeating the same pablum they've been spoon-fed since childhood.

It also bolsters one's argument when they have the historical and cultural data with which to back up their beliefs.


Just sayin'....
blah

Ironton, OH

#652 Feb 8, 2014
Derp-Free wrote:
I know, I know...
I just hold out hope that some people of faith can learn (like I did) to actually UNDERSTAND their faith and the reasons they believe as they do, instead of mindlessly repeating the same pablum they've been spoon-fed since childhood.
It also bolsters one's argument when they have the historical and cultural data with which to back up their beliefs.
Just sayin'....
such bolstering can only exist when the believer over-interprets flawed verses to encompass inconsistencies to be found twixt their myths and observable fact, or from outright denial of the offending observable facts in favor of said myths. thus their arguments are circular and outside the realm of reason.

imagine trying to have a real, adaptive dialog with a computer program: the program has only a finite level of understanding and vocabulary, and is unwilling or unable to incorporate any new information or concepts contrary to its programming, having been designed specifically to discard those as an attempt to corrupt it. that is precisely what talking sense to a "true believer" is like.
really

Catlettsburg, KY

#653 Feb 9, 2014
Derp-Free wrote:
I know, I know...
I just hold out hope that some people of faith can learn (like I did) to actually UNDERSTAND their faith and the reasons they believe as they do, instead of mindlessly repeating the same pablum they've been spoon-fed since childhood.
It also bolsters one's argument when they have the historical and cultural data with which to back up their beliefs.
Just sayin'....
I absolutely understand MY FAITH, however, you don't seem to understand the meaning of faith whatsoever. I know what I believe based on the fact that I know Jesus Christ, my Lord and my Savior. You never did nor do you want to now. Sorry for your loss.

Heb_11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

It doesn't matter what I post as you will continually discredit it (so do your own research if you're interested). You believe you're smarter than God. You know He exists even though you deny Him and youíre hoping He doesnít. Your hope of His non-existence is the only thing that justifies your sin during this very, very short life. Then you hope to simply poof out of existence for eternity. Not gonna happen and you're in for a big, regretful surprise. If you truly believed He was non-existent, you wouldn't waste your time arguing about Him, period.

Weíre both worthless sinners. The only difference is, Iím saved by His grace alone. His righteousness is imputed to me simply because I believe Him. Why is it I know Him and you donít? Will you ever know Him? Not while you so desperately hang on to this world. I do know that His word, not yours or anyone elseĎs, is my final authority and always shall be. Your ignorance of Him I find sad. You profess to be wise but youíre a fool, wise in your own conceit. Actually, thereís more hope for a fool than for you (Prov 26:12) You are ever learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth (2Tim 3:7). Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom (Prov 9:10) and you have no fear of or reverence for Him. Thatís terribly sad, imo.

Youíre a mere human. He isnít. You, like so many others, can scream to the heavens that the bible is an ancient book, written and changed by menÖand thatís a total waste of cyberspace to any true Christian/Bible Believer/Follower of Christ. As if my God, the God of the bible, doesnít have the power to preserve His pure word, just as He promised He would and just as He has. He wouldnít be much of a God if He couldnít handle that simple feat, now would He?

Psa 12:6 The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Psa 12:7 Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, THOU SHALT PRESERVE THEM FROM THIS GENERATION FOR EVER.

Psa_138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: FOR THOU HAST MAGNIFIED THY WORD ABOVE ALL THY NAME.

It doesnít matter what your opinion, as a non-believer, is. Itís a futile endeavor to even try to change what I know is the truth. You have no power. Greater is He that is within me than he that is in the world (1Joh 4:4). His Spirit dwells within me. Jesusí words-- Joh_14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Jesus Christ is the way, THE TRUTH and the lifeÖno man comes to the Father but by Him (Joh 14:6). Youíre lost, therefore, you donít know the truth. Iím sorry for you but thatís entirely your choice.
really

Catlettsburg, KY

#654 Feb 9, 2014
blah wrote:
<quoted text>
such bolstering can only exist when the believer over-interprets flawed verses to encompass inconsistencies to be found twixt their myths and observable fact, or from outright denial of the offending observable facts in favor of said myths. thus their arguments are circular and outside the realm of reason.
imagine trying to have a real, adaptive dialog with a computer program: the program has only a finite level of understanding and vocabulary, and is unwilling or unable to incorporate any new information or concepts contrary to its programming, having been designed specifically to discard those as an attempt to corrupt it. that is precisely what talking sense to a "true believer" is like.
You haven't the ability to understand the program that's been downloaded into us true believers. It's incomprehensible to you. That's because you're blind.

Observable FACTS? Like for evolution? please. There's not even observable evidence much less facts. pfffft.
The Real Derp-Free

West Liberty, KY

#655 Feb 9, 2014
really wrote:
<quoted text>
You haven't the ability to understand the program that's been downloaded into us true believers. It's incomprehensible to you. That's because you're blind.
Observable FACTS? Like for evolution? please. There's not even observable evidence much less facts. pfffft.
Erm - In case you stop proselytizing log enough to actually READ what I've posted, you might get the idea that I actually BELIEVE in Christ. That He exists. That He is the Son of the ever-living God.

On the other hand, you may rather completely mis-characterize my comments as an attack on your beliefs, and go on with your rant(s). It seems to me that you are trying to convince yourself of what you believe rather than anyone else. You seem to enjoy the sound of your own figurative (and in all likelihood literal) voice.

The fact of the matter is that the louder you try to make your point, the less likely it is that others will want to hear it.

Recall this, and think on it:

I Corinthians 13:1-7...

If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Now it seems to me that perhaps you need to love more, and judge less. Leave that to God. That's His job - not yours.
Looking up

Stanton, KY

#656 Feb 10, 2014
That Train Aint Coming wrote:
This particular bibble dribble is both the carrot in front of the mule, and the whip cracking behind it; get right and get into paradise, stay wrong and be punished, based on no evidence but a flawed old book (read it, grasped it, dismissed it), and a mockingbird flock that does little more than quote it, generation after generation, with nothing real to show.
No thanks.
What can I say, Heaven is not for everybody. It is for those who love the Lord and serve him in trembling and fear!
Judge Dread

Richmond, VA

#657 Feb 10, 2014
Oh Jeez! For a second there I thought you said the Rupture was coming soon.

Whew!
really

Catlettsburg, KY

#658 Feb 11, 2014
The Real Derp-Free wrote:
<quoted text>
Erm - In case you stop proselytizing log enough to actually READ what I've posted, you might get the idea that I actually BELIEVE in Christ. That He exists. That He is the Son of the ever-living God.
On the other hand, you may rather completely mis-characterize my comments as an attack on your beliefs, and go on with your rant(s). It seems to me that you are trying to convince yourself of what you believe rather than anyone else. You seem to enjoy the sound of your own figurative (and in all likelihood literal) voice.
The fact of the matter is that the louder you try to make your point, the less likely it is that others will want to hear it.
Recall this, and think on it:
I Corinthians 13:1-7...
If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Now it seems to me that perhaps you need to love more, and judge less. Leave that to God. That's His job - not yours.
Now you claim to be a believer?? You donít seem to know the bible very well. If you were a follower of Christ, well, never mind...I'm certain you already know.
:/
2Ti 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

As for the 1 Cor verses you cite, I donít know what version youíve used but try the KJV, which, imo, is the only English bible thatís not been corrupted.(If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do? Psa 11:3--wonder who'd want to destroy God's word.) The KJV is the word of God--If it ainít broke, donít fix it. It reads different because it is different. Youíll find the word charity in these verses of the KJV, which is love in its fullest meaning; true love to God and man. Without this, the most glorious gifts are of no account to us, of no esteem in the sight of God. Doing good to others will do none to us, if it be not done from love to God, and good-will to men. If youíd like to discuss those verses using the pure text, Iíll be glad to engage.

I admit, I sometimes get exasperated with continually defending my faith (like when Iím told I donĎt understand my faith) while dealing with atheists/agnostics who mock the Lord, but I assure you, when I post the things I do, itís because I love Him and am trying to be obedient to Him AND out of love for others. I donít want you or any of these others to be forever separated from God, finding your eternal homes in Hell. Why would I waste one minute otherwise?

If youíre a believer/follower of Jesus Christ, whatís your job exactly? Are you obedient to Him? An intellectual knowledge or belief in His existence does not equate to ďbelieving onĒ Him (Act 16:30-31), trusting Him alone for your salvation.

Jas_1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

Rev_3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.
Rev_3:16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.
<Jesus' words>

Joh_7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
<Jesus' words>

Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
<Jesus' words again, and a reminder for myself. thx>
Looking up

Stanton, KY

#659 Feb 11, 2014
Even the Devil knows and believes that Jesus is who he is. It is the relationship with God that grows the seed of faith. The Devil tries to get everyone to miss the calling put on their lives. He wants to drag as many as he can to Hell. Truth is, he will do a good job of it. The Bible tells us the road to Heaven is narrow, and few find the way. It is the duty of all Christians to tell about the grace of God. Sadly, many people just joke and make fun of us Bible believers. It will not be funny when they stand before God without Jesus. It will be horrific beyond anything you can imagine.
Derp-Free

West Liberty, KY

#660 Feb 12, 2014
You are a resounding gong and a clanging cymbal. I hope someday you find the love that you clearly deny others - the love that Corinthians speak of.

We're done here.
star seed

Richmond, KY

#661 Feb 12, 2014
Religion is man made. God or creator, is real. God is not of any religion, and claiming he is of your religion is wrong. Just flat out wrong. God is love. We're all God's children and this ridiculous claim that if one doesn't subscribe to YOUR religion that God will condemn them to hell ... is doing the work of evil. This claim was started by a religion that is man made. You claim there is choice, but according to YOUR religion, you do what YOUR man made religion says, or suffer eternity in a mythical lake of fire. Clearly there is no choice here at all. Who would choose fire? You're being controlled and manipulated and don't even see it. Come down off your high horse because you're no better than anyone else, and in fact you are a slave to your religion. You don't need religion to have God in your life. Spread love, not judgment and hate. That's God's work.
star seed

Richmond, KY

#662 Feb 12, 2014
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A 2 1/2 to 3 Billion dollar industry. Why would God need money?
blah

Ironton, OH

#663 Feb 13, 2014
star seed wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =mJ9oBCLwwL0XX&feature=you tube_gdata_player
A 2 1/2 to 3 Billion dollar industry. Why would God need money?
Trick question. Like asking: Why does the heel of my 11th foot itch, or what's Luke Skywalker's favorite flavor of Jolly Rancher. Answer only matters if you believe I have 11 or more feet, or that Luke Skywalker is a real person... or if you make a living selling imaginary friendship and after-death sky palaces to fools.
Looking up

Stanton, KY

#664 Feb 13, 2014
blah wrote:
<quoted text>
Trick question. Like asking: Why does the heel of my 11th foot itch, or what's Luke Skywalker's favorite flavor of Jolly Rancher. Answer only matters if you believe I have 11 or more feet, or that Luke Skywalker is a real person... or if you make a living selling imaginary friendship and after-death sky palaces to fools.
Yeah but, what if it IS true? What if I am telling you is the correct thing? If God exists, don't you think he is the one who will make the rules? And if he makes the rules, don't you think a person should listen, when it is for their own good? God doesn't want any to perish! He sent his SON to die on the cross for all humanity. Problem is, most of humanity is like you, blind to the truth. You WILL stand before God one day. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is LORD! I choose to do it willingly, in this lifetime! That is what you need to do also. I am saying this VERY sincerely!
Looking up

Stanton, KY

#665 Feb 13, 2014
http://endtimeheadlines.wordpress.com/2014/02... Here is something to notice about the world financial system. We ARE heading toward an economic implosion. It is a mathematical certainty! Have you noticed the Bankers who have commited suicide lately? You have to wonder if they know what is coming (and they do).
Looking up

Stanton, KY

#666 Feb 13, 2014
http://endtimeheadlines.wordpress.com/2014/02... Here is the story about the bankers who have commited suicide or die mysteriously in the last couple of weeks!
star seed

United States

#667 Feb 13, 2014
Looking up wrote:
http://endtimeheadlines.wordpr ess.com/2014/02/12/breaking-ne ws-jp-morgan-executive-becomes -5th-banker-to-die-in-last-2-w eeks/ Here is the story about the bankers who have commited suicide or die mysteriously in the last couple of weeks!
These bankers are killing themselves because they know that they are all going to be exposed for the crooks that they are. They would rather die then go to prison for the rest of their life. It has absolutely nothing to do with your rapture. Not everything that's going on is tied into your religion. You really need to open your mind.

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