Why teachers are leaving the profession
today

Winchester, KY

#41 Dec 11, 2012
Ed Anger wrote:
I would disagree with you.
It sure is easy to blame others than to look at one's own failures. Teachers just want to place their failures on someone else. It's called an excuse.
If you would review the history of education in America, the one room school house, without wifi, smart phones, tablets and computers did far better in educating children. The average high school student today could not pass an 8th grade test from 50 years ago.
It seems that the more pay and more money that the school systems get, the lower the test scores go. Look at the amount of high school graduates that are required to take remedial classes at college entry.
How do the parochial and Christian schools do a superior job of educating students with lower costs and lower teacher salaries? Hmmmmm? How do home schooled students tend to score higher than the average victim of public education.
Perhaps you should watch the documentary "Waiting for Superman" and you would have a different opinion.
Teachers need to vote out the union. Tenure needs to be eliminated completely. Teachers need to be judged on their performance.
If you notice, some teachers are better than others. They have similar students and similar parents. It's pretty simple. Some teachers are smarter and work harder than than the others.
Now, all teachers, quit making excuses, quit yer sniveling and get back to work. You can all be replaced by someone willing to work harder, cheaper and willing to achieve greater results.
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I will only address two questions or statements because your mind is made up. Home schooling and private schools are made up of a population of students that for the most part come from fully engaged homes, parents that put their children first and have worked with them, cared for them and nutured them for years. When you compare that to the public schools which serve the mass which include drug babies, parents that do not invest any time in their children you then have the answer to the difference in scores. Public school is given the task of educating everyone with no regard for the fact that this includes a multitude of problems. You cannot compare a child that enters school with experiences of ocean vacations, Disney World, printing their name, knowing their colors to children that have experienced none of these. Also in numerous cases the product of the foster system and multiple divorce. These children and educators start from day one from a point of disadvantage. They continue to play catch up their entire educational career.

I believe people here are missing the point. This is not about making excuses but more about what is happening to society in general. It is in every area of our world. The medical community, the schools and the penal system. We are in serious trouble as a nation and rather than blame or whine both parties need to ask what we can do to make it better.
yep

Ashland, KY

#42 Dec 11, 2012
Hung Lo wrote:
This is Hung Lo from the Chinese Restaurants.

Hung Lo have a few observations.

By 2030, China will have 200 million college graduates├é┬Śmore than the entire U.S. workforce. By 2020 India will be graduating four times as many college graduates as the United States.

China is already graduating over 1 million college graduates a year in the areas of science, technology, and mathematics while the United States graduates fewer than half that number.

Teachers in China are given more respect than teachers in the U.S.For example, teachers do not have taxes on their salary, and they receive their own national holiday, Teachers Day, on September 29th. In China WE RESPECT OUR TEACHERS. TEACHING IS THE MOST HONORABLE PROFESSION.

Chinese schools have a hard work ethic, resulting in student success. You American children are soft and fat and play video game all day.

In China, teacher's can still discipline. If child no behave, they can be punished. If parent's do nothing they can be punished. Trust Hung Lo, the parents take care of the problem.

Chinese schools segregate high achieving students from lower achieving students through tracking levels. You silly Americans want to make the ADHD, ADD, and other retarded children feel special. You started doing it in the 1970's. How you say "main streaming". That is where you put the retarded child in the class room with everyone else. The retarded child take away too much time from the teacher. You should put the special retarded children in their own school or at least class room. Hung Lo saw a soccer game on tv one time. Retarded child was on a walker..trying to play soccer with regular children. Retarded child was in the way and could get hurt. They did it to be equal.

Hung Lo has bad news for you. Not everything equal in life.

Hung Lo like a teachers so much, all teachers get 50% of my delicious Chinese buffet. Take a teacher to a Chinese Buffet today.
Priceless!!!
Ed Anger

Richmond, KY

#43 Dec 11, 2012
Here is another link on what a great jobs teachers are doing.

Only 7% of the 8th graders are proficient in reading. I'm sure our scores aren't much better.

Great job teachers. Great job. You deserve a raise! Great benefits! Summers off! Holidays off! A great retirement system.

Keep up the good work!

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/only-7-detroi...
retired teacher

Lexington, KY

#44 Dec 12, 2012
I know a young lady who would make a wonderful teacher.She is super smart,super creative and most of all a very caring person.I would never encourage her to go into teaching however, because of what I hear from working teachers today.It all comes down to sorry parents who never talk to or interact with their children except to yell,scream or beat them.These kind of parents sit home weekends drinking,doing drugs or both.They play their video games like they are 13 years old instead of 30 something.They stay glued to the games or some movie.They do not parent at all.A real parent talks to their children,reads to them works a puzzle with them sometimes.They know their kids are alive and are concerned about them and what kind of adults they will grow up to be someday.SADLY,these neglected kids will probably grow up to be just like their sorrya-- parents,cause it is all they know and the cycle will repeat.A teacher can't be made responsible for how so many of our children are being raised.When no interest in education or following any rules, is instilled in kids at home by parents, what miracles can the teacher do?Thank heaven we do still have some good parents and there is usually no big problems with their children.They can focus on learning,know education is importaint and do their best.They have been taught that they must follow some rules and behave.They are well adjusted, NOT emotionally disturbed as are a lot of kids who have to grow up with sorrya-- so called parents.
hopeless

Richmond, KY

#45 Dec 12, 2012
I have a teaching certificate & I can't find employment anywhere even as a teacher's aide. To anyone who thinks it's a good field to go into, it's not.

I am currently working at a factory and feel like my education was a waste. I see why teachers complain, but it's nothing to leave a job over.. I would give anything to have their complaints and be out of the work environment I am in; they should count themselves lucky.
explanation

Berea, KY

#46 Dec 12, 2012
Ocean vacation and Disney World? Really? It sounds like you're implying that only wealthy children are successful. Some of the most famous, successful and wealthy people come from very poor backgrounds, including drug/alcohol abuse and divorce.

Wealth isn't the issue here.
today wrote:
<quoted text>
I will only address two questions or statements because your mind is made up. Home schooling and private schools are made up of a population of students that for the most part come from fully engaged homes, parents that put their children first and have worked with them, cared for them and nutured them for years. When you compare that to the public schools which serve the mass which include drug babies, parents that do not invest any time in their children you then have the answer to the difference in scores. Public school is given the task of educating everyone with no regard for the fact that this includes a multitude of problems. You cannot compare a child that enters school with experiences of ocean vacations, Disney World, printing their name, knowing their colors to children that have experienced none of these. Also in numerous cases the product of the foster system and multiple divorce. These children and educators start from day one from a point of disadvantage. They continue to play catch up their entire educational career.
I believe people here are missing the point. This is not about making excuses but more about what is happening to society in general. It is in every area of our world. The medical community, the schools and the penal system. We are in serious trouble as a nation and rather than blame or whine both parties need to ask what we can do to make it better.
explanation

Berea, KY

#47 Dec 12, 2012
My opinion and general observation is this:

-increased educational standards

-increased drug addiction

-decreased resources for teachers to match increased educational standards

-decreased time allotment to teach the material which is increased, giving students less time to absorb a fast paced and advanced curriculum

-increased poverty due to economy

-decreased parent/teacher communication

I think education is harder and fast paced compared to previous years. Preschool is what Kindergarten used to be, and Kindergarten material is more like 1st grade was and so on. The curriculum is definately tougher than it used to be, and time/resources teachers receive in order to deliver it all doesn't match up, thus lower test scores and overall mastery of the material.
The Real Truth-T

Cincinnati, OH

#48 Dec 12, 2012
Where do I start

- 1 room school house analogy, a joke. Back then little John would get smacked across the head if he screwed up, was lazy, didn't do his homework, talked back (or worse)AND he knew it.
- Sure there are good parents out there that want a rigorous education for their kids. That is until their child works hard and earns a "C" (a passing grade). then it is the teacher's fault, not Johnny's
- Want to help a teacher do better, tell your kid to leave their cell phone at home, in their car or in their locker turned off for the day, pay attention, take notes and ask questions.
- Want to know what's going on with you kids at school academically? Go sit across the street and see how many of those high schools come out empty handed when school lets out.
- When Susie's grades drop, throw their cell phone in the dishwasher and turn it on, turn off their internet access, have them bring home ALL of their text books and give them a meaningful assignment from each book, each night until they are back on track.
- Tell your kid you don't expect them to turn in work late and you don't expect their teacher to except it.
- realize that most teachers are so busy they do not have the time or energy to single out your kid and pick on them (regardless of what little Johnny told you)If your child is getting too much attention from the teacher, there is usually a good reason for it.

As for the post telling the teacher to quit teaching and go get a factory job if they don't like it....

If it is so easy why don't you go cough up $40K -$80K, get your teaching license and come on in? We'd love to have you solve all of these easy problems.

If you're wondering, I did. 20 years in the work force and now 14 years as a teacher. I know both sides of this debate 1st hand

Teachers want to teach not raise your kids and feed them with a spoon.
explanation

Berea, KY

#49 Dec 12, 2012
The overall attitude I see here on this forum is that children from backgrounds of suspected poverty, addiction, neglect, etc. are "hopeless" or "wastes of time", as if they're doomed to fail.

Build those children up with praise and reward. Give that extra hug. Give them two minutes of extra attention or conversation. It isn't just about test scores and pay. They are human beings and you are too!
tom

Berea, KY

#50 Dec 12, 2012
I have several teachers in my family. I hear the same story from them. They can't wait to retire. I'm glad i decided not to become a teacher. This is the decay of the United States. The next generations will have to deal with uneducated drug addicts, broken families, and goverment socialism. Then a stronger country will take us over, and it will be the end of an era in history.
The Real Truth-T

Cincinnati, OH

#51 Dec 12, 2012
No, I teach in a school of fairly well off kids. The irony? The irony is the kids I see growing and developing are:

-the kids who want out of poverty
-don't already have everything
-have learning and physical challenges and have developed work skills to over come this with hard work, the help of their parents and teachers

The kids not succeeding
- seem to have nicer clothes
- nice cell phones
- plenty of choices outside of school
- they feel they don't have to work of prove anything.
- no shortage of attitude

There is no value in praising a child who did not work, or try to accomplish things
OVERSEAS JOBS AWAIT

United States

#52 Dec 12, 2012
hopeless wrote:
I have a teaching certificate & I can't find employment anywhere even as a teacher's aide. To anyone who thinks it's a good field to go into, it's not.
I am currently working at a factory and feel like my education was a waste. I see why teachers complain, but it's nothing to leave a job over.. I would give anything to have their complaints and be out of the work environment I am in; they should count themselves lucky.
China and S. Korea are paying for teachers to teach English to their cooperative learners! No guff, no attitude and no headaches. Check it out in at the EKU Career Site. Good luck!
Old Nick

Richmond, KY

#53 Dec 12, 2012
For all those people who want to 'fix' education, the answer isn't accountability, or even throwing more money to the schools, willy-nilly. The only real answer to the problems that we face in education today is to decrease class size. When you have 28-35 kids per class, or more, you don't have time to teach. Your time is entirely taken up in classroom management. What little time is left is spent on actual teaching.

In short, hire more teachers for smaller class sizes if you want to see education improve in the paradigm we have now. Otherwise, you're going to have to improve parental involvement, and we all know that isn't going to happen.
Today

United States

#54 Dec 12, 2012
explanation wrote:
Ocean vacation and Disney World? Really? It sounds like you're implying that only wealthy children are successful. Some of the most famous, successful and wealthy people come from very poor backgrounds, including drug/alcohol abuse and divorce.
Wealth isn't the issue here.
<quoted text>
What I was trying to say is that any child coming from a point of having these things does have an advantage. I never said poor kids cannot be a success. I am saying hungry, neglected and abused children do not have the same chance. The county is full of children facing these challenges.
Today

United States

#55 Dec 12, 2012
The Real Truth-T wrote:
Where do I start
- 1 room school house analogy, a joke. Back then little John would get smacked across the head if he screwed up, was lazy, didn't do his homework, talked back (or worse)AND he knew it.
- Sure there are good parents out there that want a rigorous education for their kids. That is until their child works hard and earns a "C" (a passing grade). then it is the teacher's fault, not Johnny's
- Want to help a teacher do better, tell your kid to leave their cell phone at home, in their car or in their locker turned off for the day, pay attention, take notes and ask questions.
- Want to know what's going on with you kids at school academically? Go sit across the street and see how many of those high schools come out empty handed when school lets out.
- When Susie's grades drop, throw their cell phone in the dishwasher and turn it on, turn off their internet access, have them bring home ALL of their text books and give them a meaningful assignment from each book, each night until they are back on track.
- Tell your kid you don't expect them to turn in work late and you don't expect their teacher to except it.
- realize that most teachers are so busy they do not have the time or energy to single out your kid and pick on them (regardless of what little Johnny told you)If your child is getting too much attention from the teacher, there is usually a good reason for it.
As for the post telling the teacher to quit teaching and go get a factory job if they don't like it....
If it is so easy why don't you go cough up $40K -$80K, get your teaching license and come on in? We'd love to have you solve all of these easy problems.
If you're wondering, I did. 20 years in the work force and now 14 years as a teacher. I know both sides of this debate 1st hand
Teachers want to teach not raise your kids and feed them with a spoon.
Thank you

You said it much better than I did.
The Real Truth-T

Dayton, OH

#56 Dec 12, 2012
Gee, and I was just getting warmed up.... LOL
Carissssss

Mount Sterling, KY

#57 Dec 12, 2012
I think we should be thankful we get an education. We should be thankful we have jobs that feed us. Take a look at the bigger picture, the bigger problems in the world... and S T F U. Have a nice day.
The Real Truth-T

Dayton, OH

#58 Dec 13, 2012
S T F U ?
Bleachblonde

London, KY

#59 Dec 13, 2012
teachers this day are just there for the money they dont want to help the kids! the gov needs to keep a closer eye on the school system!!!!!!!!!!
Miss Bliss

United States

#60 Dec 13, 2012
explanation wrote:
My opinion and general observation is this:

-increased educational standards

-increased drug addiction

-decreased resources for teachers to match increased educational standards

-decreased time allotment to teach the material which is increased, giving students less time to absorb a fast paced and advanced curriculum

-increased poverty due to economy

-decreased parent/teacher communication

I think education is harder and fast paced compared to previous years. Preschool is what Kindergarten used to be, and Kindergarten material is more like 1st grade was and so on. The curriculum is definately tougher than it used to be, and time/resources teachers receive in order to deliver it all doesn't match up, thus lower test scores and overall mastery of the material.
And don't forget the Terrible Worthless Lifeless Hopeless Piece of Crap Parents Such as Ed Anger!!!

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