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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 165504 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#117061 Nov 13, 2013
That quote was made in Chapter 6 but not EXACTLY AS YOU said it was!!!!!!!

You don't have the book, you've not read the book but that doesn't stop you from making an assumption of what he means when saying it.

The only reason you knew it was from his Book God is not Great is you read that somewhere!

It still stands, I've not saw any material where he states 'IN MY OWN VIEW' he could have, AS I STATED BEFORE. Furthermore I don't care. I'm sure he's made that statement elsewhere and could have said "In my own view" Again, I don't care, but apparently you do.

If you are going to reference it, at least do so correctly, you have been caught before leaving out or changing words to suit your argument, so I figure this one is no different.
In Chapter 6 it is not written "In my own view"
That was my argument!!!

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#117062 Nov 13, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Lack of faith?
By that you mean that we are lacking in the ability to pretend to know things we don't.
Remember that, to you, faith is belief without evidence. You believe that a cosmic mega-being magicked the universe together and in that respect, your beliefs are just as believable as the Maoris creation myth:
They believe that Ranginui, the Sky Father, and Papatuanuku, the Earth Mother gave birth to children who subsequently created the universe by separating their parents.
Contrast that with the runaway success story that is science. Science is no myth, so no faith is required. Fact after fact stand testament to science providing the most accurate and reliable explanations of our reality.
So, I freely admit that I don't know how the universe came about.
Unlike you, who pretends to know something which you actually don't know - that's faith.
Like I've said, science has been outstandingly successful at not only explaining our reality but also in making predictions. That's a fact, I know that - I have no need to pretend to know.
Science and reason remain the best tools for discovering and explaining our universe.
You know what's also great about science?
It's true whether you believe in it or not.
Excellent Post!
SistaNoneYa

Somerset, KY

#117063 Nov 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Ah the desperate cries of someone shown wrong by his own link.
Do you need a tishue?
SistaNoneYa

Somerset, KY

#117064 Nov 14, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>One reason children are not allowed to drink is the reasons you cite. A developing brain can be stunted in growth or malformed by alcohol. Note I did not say the brain cells were killed. There is a difference. The difference is where your claim is false, and mine is correct.
You have failed to show what I said is false.
Just admit it Dukey, you made a duhm comment.

(and I don't see any need to provide further evidence of just how duhm it was, because anyone with any common sense realizes better).

Moving along past stupid now-

See this one? Just in case you hand't..another one of those scientific type mistakes-(Well holy cow...whatdya know...Science is NOT perfect either!!)

Ming the clam was the oldest animal ever. Then scientists killed it

Guys, scientists found out a clam they discovered a few years ago was the OLDEST LIVING ANIMAL EVER hurray! But they've also confessed that they accidentally killed it when they opened it up to see how old it was oh. Ming the clam was thought to be around 405 years old when it was found by researchers in Iceland in 2006, but more recent dating methods have determined that Ming was actually 507 years old. That means the mollusk made its way into the world around 1499, which explains how it got its posthumous name (Ming was the Chinese dynasty in power when the clam was born).

Unfortunately, Ming's life came to an unglamorous end when it was opened up for scrutiny the first time around a move researchers wouldn't have made if they had suspected how old it really was. "We got [the age] wrong the first time, and maybe we were a bit hasty publishing our findings back then," ocean scientist Paul Butler told ScienceNordic. We don't think the newly discovered discrepancy makes a difference to Ming now, but thanks for coming clean.(MSNNOW.Dashboard. 11/14/2011)
Known Fact

Somerset, KY

#117065 Nov 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I can identify you in many ways.Every time you change your moniker,it fools no one" Except maybe the topix Mod.
I don't paint idiots , they create their own self portrait by their actions , which I am then able to identify them by. MC
BTW I don't smoke meth, instead , I maintain a close personal relationship with my Mexican girlfriend , Mari Juana Gonzalez
So you're a guy that used parts of his body as a vagina? You were the one that said that right? I really don't feel like looking through all the pages but I know I read that somewhere. I thought some girl said it but then again you do kind of act like a mad females.

And the mod is the only person I'm trying to hide from. I spent a lot of time making the Jesus Junkies mad over my posts and now I can't even get credit for it when I do it.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#117066 Nov 14, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
Excellent Post!
Thanks

It seems to me that many believers are reluctant to draw their conclusions with reason/logic and science.

At the end of the day, facts are facts and no amount of belief will change that.
Yes and Amen

Versailles, KY

#117067 Nov 14, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, you probably did and for what it's worth I'm sincerely proud of you for not doing that to yourself and those around you anymore. Still, I agree with WitW that you've achieved abstinence by substituting one drug for another. It isn't unique and I've seen it more times than I can count. I'm not chastising you for it, it's just the nature of OCD. You could have as easily become a gambler, a skirt chaser, a collector, or a hoarder - instead, your obsession became religion. It is what it is... nothing more.
"gambler, a skirt chaser, a collector, or a hoarder"
I was those too... total evil filled, and disgusting!
It is what it is...
From evil to good in one choice!
I'm not obsessed with religion... no...
Thankful!
God is real... You know the rest!
Yes and Amen

Versailles, KY

#117068 Nov 14, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually, I stole it from a Christian.
Joel Osteen Ministries
http://cafewitteveen.wordpress.com/2013/11/09...
Nice to know that you think a fellow Christian is nasty with no morals.
Anyway, you speak of morals when you revel in the death of thousands of people simply because you're deluded enough to think they are evil.
Your beliefs have left you warped and twisted and with a deranged concept of what's good and bad.
Warped?
Really???
Killing baby seals for their skins is bad, but
sucking the brains out of a baby in it's mothers womb is good???
Twisted is the Liberal socialistic mind!
Yes and Amen

Versailles, KY

#117069 Nov 14, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
"I should be a vegetable, but I am not!"
How would you know?
I can still rebuild a motor, build, or remodel a house, ride a bike, fly a plane, use the DVR remote, wash my own a$$, fix a circuit board, cook food in the microwave,
or on the stove, mow my yard, grow a garden,
type on the computer... and the list goes on!
I know, therefor I think!
LOL

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#117070 Nov 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
When someone clearly states,as Hitchens did that
"My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilization, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit. I can't prove it, but you can't disprove it either. It happens to be my view, but it doesn't challenge any of the findings of Darwin or Huxley or Einstein or Hawking."
Seems to me,that was the only point he was making.
He is stating that as his Belief , that is what can be discerned from that statement.
If there was a different intent,he would not have stated it as his own personal view.
If you had actually READ his book, you would get it.
You are thick as a brick.
curious wrote:
<quoted text> As far as not having the ability to understand people, you are the least qualified to opine on that subject.
It is your lack of comprehension that led you to believe that anyone would lend any credibility to your self righteous statement about yourself
"I have never done ANYTHING for which I need feel ashamed"
How many people do you believe fell for that illconceived statement?
I don't care who believes it.
It's a fact.
I guess you've never met a truly decent person.
How sad for you.
Yes and Amen

Versailles, KY

#117071 Nov 14, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
That would be Yaa.
Mike Duquette wrote: If god commanded you to kill your child, would you?"
Yaa answered:I would make sure it WAS God first, and Knowing His will, I
really doubt it would be my God, more like your god!
Then, it would probably be like an Abrahamic test, as I would do exactly
what God requested!"
Then, so as not to limit himself to just his own child.....
Mike Duquette wrote: If god told you to do it (murder someone), would it then be right?
Yaa answered:
"IF God Truly said it, then YES!
It would be Right!
Just like letting me go through what I went through made me stronger, it
would have been wrong for Him to stop me, as
I wouldn't be who I am today!"
This man is a murder waiting to happen. Just like the story you posted.
What part of
Love God with all your heart,
Love your neighbors, and
Love your enemies do you not understand?

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#117072 Nov 14, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Warped?
Really???
Killing baby seals for their skins is bad, but
sucking the brains out of a baby in it's mothers womb is good???
Twisted is the Liberal socialistic mind!
You must really hate your god for all the abortions he is responsible for. Which (according to the Bible) is every abortion.

Since: Apr 08

Cambridge, UK

#117073 Nov 14, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>What part of
Love God with all your heart,
Love your neighbors, and
Love your enemies do you not understand?
You're a Christian

That means your idea of perfect love involves the creation of a torture pit, stocking it with demons and putting people in there so that they will burn for all eternity.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#117074 Nov 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Evasive much ? Smokebombs many.?
What you posted has no relevance whatsoever to the topic in question and can be seen as a futile effort to change topics.
If you , or anyone else , disagrees with what I have posted , then, why don't you provide your versions of how those events may have occured.
To simply state that you disagree with my views and then not state your own views shows a complete lack of faith in what you believe and are afraid to let those beliefs be known.
All you do is blather endlessly on YOUR OPINION of how unethical, immoral and unhappy atheists are. YOU do not address the topic in question. I have done so many times.

I've no issue with including the effects of Judaism, Christianity and Islam on western civilization in a historical and social context. I have no issue with using RELEVANT excerpts of the Torah, the Bible and the Koran toward those studies. I take great exception to proselytizing among children who are by law held captive on a campus and using public resources to promote religious agendas.
I have always scoffed at the outrageously brainless notion that Hebrews 11:1 is the path to knowledge.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#117075 Nov 14, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>"gambler, a skirt chaser, a collector, or a hoarder"
I was those too... total evil filled, and disgusting!
It is what it is...
From evil to good in one choice!
I'm not obsessed with religion... no...
Thankful!
God is real... You know the rest!
Yes, YaA. You have just substituted one obsession for another. That's fine, some people have those empty places inside that they need to fill with something. It was drugs, booze, women, gambling and now it's the invisible man in the sky. Hey, look at the bright side - it's better than being a Star Wars trekkie. Marginally.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#117076 Nov 14, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
My model gives a plausuble explanation for Intelligent Design ,as opposed to a NON Intelligent series of accidents which nmo one can account for , as being resposible for creation.
Which one is more credible depends on one's beliefs.
Materialists have no other choice but to believe the incomprehensible view that nonintelligence can somehow design and create that which is not logical or possible for nonintelligence to accomplish.
Those of us who belive in God have the choice between the 2 alternatives.
I believe in 1 God,not many.
Based on my experiences ,I believe that the God I worship is the creator as he has claimed.
Simple as that.
Do you have a different view as to who or what is responsible for creation? Or ,do you have no view on the subject at all?
There is no plausible creation model. It is based solely on primitive mythology and has no association with reality.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#117077 Nov 14, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
That quote was made in Chapter 6 but not EXACTLY AS YOU said it was!!!!!!!
You don't have the book, you've not read the book but that doesn't stop you from making an assumption of what he means when saying it.
The only reason you knew it was from his Book God is not Great is you read that somewhere!
It still stands, I've not saw any material where he states 'IN MY OWN VIEW' he could have, AS I STATED BEFORE. Furthermore I don't care. I'm sure he's made that statement elsewhere and could have said "In my own view" Again, I don't care, but apparently you do.
If you are going to reference it, at least do so correctly, you have been caught before leaving out or changing words to suit your argument, so I figure this one is no different.
In Chapter 6 it is not written "In my own view"
That was my argument!!!
Like many other apologists, his information is primarily gleaned from favored apologist sites. He >should< automatically assume that he is only getting half of the story (at best) from their blogs and links, but that would involve recognizing the inherent dishonesty of those sites and authors. Instead, he must assume that Christians do not lie by deception and omission in an illusion of preserving his own facade. The facts are not so easily obfuscated, and to those who are not blinded by faith, clearly attest to apologists' wiles and corruptions.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#117078 Nov 14, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Lack of faith?
By that you mean that we are lacking in the ability to pretend to know things we don't.
Remember that, to you, faith is belief without evidence. You believe that a cosmic mega-being magicked the universe together and in that respect, your beliefs are just as believable as the Maoris creation myth:
They believe that Ranginui, the Sky Father, and Papatuanuku, the Earth Mother gave birth to children who subsequently created the universe by separating their parents.
Contrast that with the runaway success story that is science. Science is no myth, so no faith is required. Fact after fact stand testament to science providing the most accurate and reliable explanations of our reality.
So, I freely admit that I don't know how the universe came about.
Unlike you, who pretends to know something which you actually don't know - that's faith.
You are misrepresenting what I have stated on many occasions.
I Have never stated that I KNOW. I BELIEVE God exists and have given my reasons for doing so.

As I see it ,the problem that Science and Atheists encounter ,is that because they do not believe in a Superior Intelligence"GOD"
as creator , they have limited themselves to explaining creation by natural means " Natural Laws" or what is reffered to as EXNIHILO.
As you know , laws of nature have no power to design or create.
They can only give us the mechanics of how an event can occur, and are unable to identify the creating agent for such.
If one does not address the issue of a creating agent,then we are left with the absurd theory of Exnihilo, Nothing created something from nothing. That is an impossibility for which there is no explanation .
I can not ,for logical reasons place my faith on that opinion ,as you seem to have.
I say that because you believe that Science provides the best explanation for our reality.That is the basis for your faith.
Science has had successes and failures , as you know.
But,because Science believes in materialism , and believes that creation does not need a creator, they are left with one alternative. They have to try and explain how it is possble that Nothing has the ability to create something from nothing.
In their attemps to do so, Scientists spend countless hours using the latest technology and their intelligence in order to create some type of life ,therby contradicting their belief that life does not need Intelligence design as a creator.
And they do that,due to the fact that there is no evidence to support the belief and faith that life has been or can be created by natural means.
My beliefs are PARTLY due to not being able to accept the view that life arose as a result of an unknown accident that may have occured sometime in the past and for which there is no explanation.
The other and most importanr part that forms my beliefs is based on my Personal experiences with my God.
Those Personal experiences are something that I know did occur and no one can disprove.
Atheists will call it a delusion on the basis that they cannot understand the Supernatural and will try to explain those events as having occured by natural means.
That view is nonsencical and their opinions are based on events that they have not experienced , but neverthe less,attempt to explain , in effect ,they try to explain that which they know nothing about.
Now ,do I believe that Something can be created from nothing ,the answer is a resounding yes.
For that to occur ,it would take a miracle.
Who is it that can perform miracles ,certainly not the laws of nature ,certainly not by accidental means , certainly have not been created in a laboratory.
No , the only one with the ability to perform miracles is GOD
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#117079 Nov 14, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks
It seems to me that many believers are reluctant to draw their conclusions with reason/logic and science.
At the end of the day, facts are facts and no amount of belief will change that.
Let us look at the facts. Atheist Scientists claim there is no need to invoke God as the creator of life and the Universe.
They claim these events occured by natural means and caused by natural laws.
The fact is that they can provide no evidence to support their views.
Instead they cite unwitnessed occurences and unprovable events that may have occured billions of years ago.
Further , they claim that Creation occured as the result of Nothing being able to create something out of nothing.

I assume they reached those conclusions based on reason/logic and science...with a heavy dose of improbability ,impossibility.
Yes ,facts are facts and NONSENSE IS NONSENSE , even if you believe it to be true without having any reason or plausible explanation for so doing
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#117080 Nov 14, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
If you had actually READ his book, you would get it.
You are thick as a brick.
<quoted text>
I don't care who believes it.
It's a fact.
I guess you've never met a truly decent person.
How sad for you.
I have not read his book , but I have read the quotes attributed to him.by many different sources.
That you and Lodi claim that in your opinions he meant something else means nothing.
He made the statement ,never denied having made it,neither has anyone else.

If you keep casting stones , the only thick brick that will come to your attention , is the one that I wll be flinging back at you
LOL
I have known many decent persons who have never had the audicity
to claim that they've never done anything for which they need be ashamed.
Those who can make that self righteous and self serving claim can only do so by establishing their own Moral code , as immoral as it might be.
Those in the Mafia have such a code of honor and look at how immoral it is and how proud they are of adhering to it.
To them,they have done nothing of which they need be ashamed.
And I can go on and on.
You are the only person , Atheist or otherwise , who has made the claim about themselves that you have about yourself.
To make that absurd claim ,you need to be indecent, as no decent person would dare so state.
Even your Buddy Chroe has stated that human nature is corrupt.

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