Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Courier-Journal

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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I would assume that the same rules that are applied to teaching evolution and the Scientific theory of the BB would be applied.
So they would point to what has evidence? Then not much of the bible would be included.

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Okay, my bad...pardon my imperfect humanity.
(NEXT time maybe be more specific!?!)
I was specific and I didn't propose censorship. I don't think 3rd graders should be reviewing Cujo in English class, but that doesn't imply "burn Stephen King at the stake."

Either nothing is perfect or everything is. It is an absolute. By humanity's gauge, no one and no thing is. It's one of the prime arguments that there is no "Perfect Creator."

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<quoted text>So they would point to what has evidence? Then not much of the bible would be included.
There were some collateral and incidental historical facts that made it into the Bible. At least King Herod was real, and most of the place names. Not Bethlehem, but others...

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No,I would not mind having a JEW TEACHING THE CLASS.
Who did you have in mind? Friedrich Niezchke or maybe Sigmund Freud, both who were afflicted by mental illness , a condition that also afflicts Atheists in inordinate numbers.
Since Atheists base their moral code on their personal desires , they are hardly qualified to pass judgement on a valid moral code.
That , automatically , disqualifies them.
But , check this out , 3 names from a long list;
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Disqualifies them? And who told you atheists base their moral code upon personal desires? Someone has been blindly believing hateful religious propaganda. That would be you.

I have many desires in which I do not act upon due to my moral code.

So for the sake of debate, lets assume a teacher applying to teach the bible class did have only his personal desires as his moral code. Now just how would you go about knowing if his morals were bad?
Seems as if he has not broken laws, it would be hard to disqualify them.
And why would his personal feelings matter anyway? My point is, this is one reason the class is problematic for government. You are putting religion into a secular stetting. Ones personal beliefs will likely be put into the class. But government is not going to exclude someone due to their personal religion as far as teaching goes.

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There were some collateral and incidental historical facts that made it into the Bible. At least King Herod was real, and most of the place names. Not Bethlehem, but others...
But the claims of Herod are not verifiable. In fact, some are known to be false(No census). So the bible is a poor source for history. It seems it would only confuse students to what is real history.

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You can call me a hypcosrite all day long.
It doesn't make it true.
As far as that "turning the other cheek" stuff, I give consideration to the situation in which it might apply, and as well as when it might not.
I'm turning one on your ignorance and hatefulness right now.
But I will mention again-I have my OWN opinions and interpretations-and I do NOT need you to explain ANY words definition to me, as I read and comprehend exceptionally just fine thank you.
Of course accusing does not make it so. So when you call me a hypocrite for calling you a hypocrite, it really means nothing, except the fact you have no rebuttal.
Now I show evidence of your hypocrisy. I can point out exactly what you are being hypocritical about. You have yet to do so when you call me a hypocrite. That is the difference.
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Yet you believe God came from nothing. He created dinosaurs, didn't like them so he killed them off. Created humans, felt regret, killed off 99.99% of them and the animals in a flood. Creates Satan and the angels, they don't like God so a third of them leave. Now God is going to come back with fire and destroy all the Earth because now I guess he doesn't like the Earth.
Sounds like God sucks at creating things.
Your incoherent analysis of those events , without going into the details given in the Bible as to why God acted as he did,is evidence that you are incapable of logical thought.
Your ignorance is further displayed in your misinformed and
erroneous allegation that I believe God came from nothing.
If you believe that Nothing created you from Nothing , that is your problem.
That you are incapable of supporting that position with any semblance of credible evidence or theory leads me to conclude that your beliefs are based solely on irrational thought and wishful thinking... That applies not only to you and your many monikers ,but also to the other 1 or 2 fools that hibernate on this thread.

They need not be named ,as it is very plain who those fools are.
I am sure I will be hearing from them before too long.
As it is written;
A wise man speaks because he has something to say , a fool speaks because he has to say something

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<quoted text>But the claims of Herod are not verifiable. In fact, some are known to be false(No census). So the bible is a poor source for history. It seems it would only confuse students to what is real history.
I wasn't meaning to use the Bible as a source - more as a footnote.
"Herod the Great constructed the Caesarea Maritima... Yes Johnny, that King Herod. Now to continue, Herod built..."
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Your incoherent analysis of those events , without going into the details given in the Bible as to why God acted as he did,is evidence that you are incapable of logical thought.
Your ignorance is further displayed in your misinformed and
erroneous allegation that I believe God came from nothing.
If you believe that Nothing created you from Nothing , that is your problem.
That you are incapable of supporting that position with any semblance of credible evidence or theory leads me to conclude that your beliefs are based solely on irrational thought and wishful thinking... That applies not only to you and your many monikers ,but also to the other 1 or 2 fools that hibernate on this thread.
They need not be named ,as it is very plain who those fools are.
I am sure I will be hearing from them before too long.
As it is written;
A wise man speaks because he has something to say , a fool speaks because he has to say something
Well whatever excuse you have for your God not being created from nothing then just turn it around and give the Earth the same excuse. Oh, the Earth is outside of time, it's timeless or eternal and it's the Alpha and the Omega or whatever BS you guys use.

And as far as my different monikers go, do you really have trouble picking my posts out no matter what my name is? I've explained why I do it more than once and it's not like I was caught doing it, I'm the one who told you I was doing it. Get over it already, you wine about it in every post.

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And so would've SOME of humanity-those with some actual intelligence anyway.
Sure, but of course a god would know many are ignorant to what causes war.
My point stands. The bible is fuel for war. We could have gone without it for the better.
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<quoted text>Yea, yea, yea, and many Christians have been converted to Islam after reading the Koran. None of this proves anything other than people will believe stories with zero evidence.
BTW, Christians often convert to Judaism.
You have still failed to answer my question about an atheist teaching the bible class.
I answered your question before . Atheists are not fit to teach bible class since they do not believe the bible.
Are you,Moronic?
Why would I hire an attorney to represent me, who openly states that he does not believe in my innocence?

Talking about people believing in something with 00000 evidence.
Let us analyze Atheistic belief.
Let us start with the word NOTHING.
Stephen Hawkins has a theory that NOTHING ,spontaneouly , created something from Nothing and that this is the cause that created life and the Universe. He attributes this to the law of Gravity.
He provides no evidence as to how this is possible or how that theory can be tested.
Others believe that nonintelligent nonliving,nonconscious matter
somehow, was able to spontaneously , attain properties that it does not posses,and had no way of creating those miraculous properties.
That is the issue that I have raised, which you Atheists have to run away from and avoid because your only explanation is based on incomprehensible wishful thinking.
Chroe claims that I do not understand and he is right, I donot understand wishful thinking and neither do any of you,as you are totally unable to give even a semilucid explanation for your opinions.
Other than, wishful thinking that somwday Science will be able to explain the Miraculous.
Jews, Muslims and Christians all believe in God.
The question that arises is" Is Jesus the son of God" Is he the promised messiah?
The Jews deny him, the Muslims believe he is a prophet and we believe him to be the SON of God
He told us beforehand that there would be those who would deny him and there would be those who would falsely claim to be him.
Therefore ,it is not surprising that the Jews deny him and that the Muslims , although admitting he is a prophet , claim that Mohammed is greater.
Fools, on the other hand , will believe that which is logically and naturally impossible.
That Nothing created something from nothing or that nonliving,non conscious and nonintelligent matter ,somehow was able to attain unto life ,intelligence and consciousness.
As is obvious,your beliefs stretch credulity ,reason , and common sense way beyond their limits.
You have travelled down a path that even the most ardent Science Fiction writers on steroids fear to travel.

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Yes I am, very well behaved-and that's what bothers ya.
YOUR problem, because it works just fine for me.
You write colorful, long winded, demeaning condemnations and name calling, yet somehow in your mind, you feel this is good behavior? Wow, you really are in a massive delusion.

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I answered your question before . Atheists are not fit to teach bible class since they do not believe the bible.
Are you,Moronic?
Why would I hire an attorney to represent me, who openly states that he does not believe in my innocence?
Talking about people believing in something with 00000 evidence.
Let us analyze Atheistic belief.
Let us start with the word NOTHING.
Stephen Hawkins has a theory that NOTHING ,spontaneouly , created something from Nothing and that this is the cause that created life and the Universe. He attributes this to the law of Gravity.
He provides no evidence as to how this is possible or how that theory can be tested.
Others believe that nonintelligent nonliving,nonconscious matter
somehow, was able to spontaneously , attain properties that it does not posses,and had no way of creating those miraculous properties.
That is the issue that I have raised, which you Atheists have to run away from and avoid because your only explanation is based on incomprehensible wishful thinking.
Chroe claims that I do not understand and he is right, I donot understand wishful thinking and neither do any of you,as you are totally unable to give even a semilucid explanation for your opinions.
Other than, wishful thinking that somwday Science will be able to explain the Miraculous.
Jews, Muslims and Christians all believe in God.
The question that arises is" Is Jesus the son of God" Is he the promised messiah?
The Jews deny him, the Muslims believe he is a prophet and we believe him to be the SON of God
He told us beforehand that there would be those who would deny him and there would be those who would falsely claim to be him.
Therefore ,it is not surprising that the Jews deny him and that the Muslims , although admitting he is a prophet , claim that Mohammed is greater.
Fools, on the other hand , will believe that which is logically and naturally impossible.
That Nothing created something from nothing or that nonliving,non conscious and nonintelligent matter ,somehow was able to attain unto life ,intelligence and consciousness.
As is obvious,your beliefs stretch credulity ,reason , and common sense way beyond their limits.
You have travelled down a path that even the most ardent Science Fiction writers on steroids fear to travel.
Teaching the bible in government run schools is not supposed to be about belief, so why would it matter if the teacher was a believer?
Your rants only prove how you wish for the bible to be in schools to proselytize your religion. This is not constitutional.
It is not the governments job to be a church.
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Well whatever excuse you have for your God not being created from nothing then just turn it around and give the Earth the same excuse. Oh, the Earth is outside of time, it's timeless or eternal and it's the Alpha and the Omega or whatever BS you guys use.
And as far as my different monikers go, do you really have trouble picking my posts out no matter what my name is? I've explained why I do it more than once and it's not like I was caught doing it, I'm the one who told you I was doing it. Get over it already, you wine about it in every post.
I do not provide excuses for believing in my God. I provide reasons,as you well know ,as you have read them.
It is you Atheists ,Khartu ,Wichetty ,Dukette and Chroe ,all better known as "the mentally Insolvent" who ,quite unable to provide any semilucid arguments for your beliefs , can only beg for more time......

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I answered your question before . Atheists are not fit to teach bible class since they do not believe the bible.
Are you,Moronic?
Why would I hire an attorney to represent me, who openly states that he does not believe in my innocence?
Talking about people believing in something with 00000 evidence.
Let us analyze Atheistic belief.
Let us start with the word NOTHING.
Stephen Hawkins has a theory that NOTHING ,spontaneouly , created something from Nothing and that this is the cause that created life and the Universe. He attributes this to the law of Gravity.
He provides no evidence as to how this is possible or how that theory can be tested.
Others believe that nonintelligent nonliving,nonconscious matter
somehow, was able to spontaneously , attain properties that it does not posses,and had no way of creating those miraculous properties.
That is the issue that I have raised, which you Atheists have to run away from and avoid because your only explanation is based on incomprehensible wishful thinking.
Chroe claims that I do not understand and he is right, I donot understand wishful thinking and neither do any of you,as you are totally unable to give even a semilucid explanation for your opinions.
Other than, wishful thinking that somwday Science will be able to explain the Miraculous.
Jews, Muslims and Christians all believe in God.
The question that arises is" Is Jesus the son of God" Is he the promised messiah?
The Jews deny him, the Muslims believe he is a prophet and we believe him to be the SON of God
He told us beforehand that there would be those who would deny him and there would be those who would falsely claim to be him.
Therefore ,it is not surprising that the Jews deny him and that the Muslims , although admitting he is a prophet , claim that Mohammed is greater.
Fools, on the other hand , will believe that which is logically and naturally impossible.
That Nothing created something from nothing or that nonliving,non conscious and nonintelligent matter ,somehow was able to attain unto life ,intelligence and consciousness.
As is obvious,your beliefs stretch credulity ,reason , and common sense way beyond their limits.
You have travelled down a path that even the most ardent Science Fiction writers on steroids fear to travel.
One of the most famous and well respected teachers of the bible is an agnostic. Professor Bart Ehrman University North Carolina Chapel Hill.

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Just don't ask this guy that, and you'll be fine in your continued delusions of denial.
http://www.wyattmuseum.com/
Ok, so you base your opinion upon a few photos, that have no verification. Got it.

Now do you believe Moses had three thousand people murdered at this mountain in the name of god and good? Do you think we should teach this to kids in public school? If so, should a disclaimer be attached to the lesson. Something like, we do not endorse killing due to religious beliefs.

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I do not provide excuses for believing in my God. I provide reasons,as you well know ,as you have read them.
It is you Atheists ,Khartu ,Wichetty ,Dukette and Chroe ,all better known as "the mentally Insolvent" who ,quite unable to provide any semilucid arguments for your beliefs , can only beg for more time......
Nope, you have never provided any reason.

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I do not provide excuses for believing in my God. I provide reasons,as you well know ,as you have read them.
It is you Atheists ,Khartu ,Wichetty ,Dukette and Chroe ,all better known as "the mentally Insolvent" who ,quite unable to provide any semilucid arguments for your beliefs , can only beg for more time......
My belief of your god being of myth need only have the moral compass to understand killing due to ones religious beliefs is most immoral.
My unbelief of god or gods is due to the lack of evidence for any gods and the evidence of the claimed gods being highly immoral and improbable.

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I do not provide excuses for believing in my God. I provide reasons,as you well know ,as you have read them.
It is you Atheists ,Khartu ,Wichetty ,Dukette and Chroe ,all better known as "the mentally Insolvent" who ,quite unable to provide any semilucid arguments for your beliefs , can only beg for more time......
What is your reason for not believing in Islam or Hinduism?

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I answered your question before . Atheists are not fit to teach bible class since they do not believe the bible.
Are you,Moronic?
Why would I hire an attorney to represent me, who openly states that he does not believe in my innocence?
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Most lawyers know they are defending the guilty.

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