Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 20 comments on the Feb 10, 2010, The Courier-Journal story titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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SistaNoneyaBiz

London, KY

#109183 Jul 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Then why did you bother posting about it? Of course it is not realistic, and that was my entire point. So when religious believers claim heaven is a Utopia, I point out it is not realistic.
I wouldn't go that far...simply because realistically, anyone TRULY honest and decent, would have to say they "do NOT know".

ANYthing else would just be a Big, Old, LIE. LIE-LIE-LIE.

And as far as the darkrer side of that LIE would go (because the ligher side is harmelss)...
I cannot ever imagine LYING to a little child, or anyone who might think differently-- just for the reason earthly clinicalness.

EVER. As that would just be CRUELITY.

And that type of cruel rhetoric takes a low down dirt bag scum and/or a cold hearted psychopath.
SistaNoneyaBiz

London, KY

#109184 Jul 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>The bible claims on the day Jesus was executed, the dead rose from the graves all over Jerusalem. Funny, not a word of this event was ever recorded in that day or even decade. It was not claimed in Mark. It was claimed several decades latter. Clearly not very many people believed the claim until centuries latter after Constantine made it the official religion of the Roman empire.
I would expect if Jesus came back from the dead and proved the doubters wrong, their would be a huge movement to embrace his claims immediately. But the slow growth of Christianity shows the story is more likely pure myth.
Christianity ITSELF however is hardly anything "fictitious".
Sometimes right IS just right and WRONG IS just wrong.
Why deny it (and try to lie, twist and distort such, just to demean it, when ir's as real as any other organized group(s) found throughout history? Just because the tenets of it might not be to your suitabibilty?
Too bad for people like that huh?
In any case-Wonder if nations will ever allow archeological excavations under the Temple Mount?
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This article will stress two primary themes. The first is the basic continuity of the evolutionary trend. This begins with the Israelitic and Greek cultural backgrounds of Christianity, each of which laid certain decisive foundations of the movement. It then continues through the establishment and survival of the early church, the establishment of the Western church and its differentiation from the Eastern, the very gradual institutionalization of the Christian society of the High Middle Ages, the transition into the Renaissance, and then the Reformation and the developments that led to modern society. I will place special emphasis on the Protestant branch in what follows, because I believe the major turning point in the development of modern society was not, as has so often been held, the industrial revolution of the late eighteenth century but rather the developments of the seventeenth century, which centered in Holland and England and, in a special way, in France, which, although profoundly involved in the Reformation, ended up as a Catholic power.

The second primary theme is the analytical complexity of the explanation of what has occurred and what may be projected. This article does not assert that Christianity as a religious movement “produced” modern society; rather it holds that Christianity contributed a crucial complex of factors, which, because of its own internal trends of “transformative” development and because of the great diversity of nonreligious conditions at various stages of the process and in various areas, operated very differently at different points in the developmental process.

Incorporating and synthesizing elements from both of its two main cultural forebears, the Israelitic and the Greek, and developing a new religious pattern of its own, the Christian movement crystallized a new pattern of values not only for the salvation of human souls but also for the nature of the societies in which men should live on earth. This pattern, the conception of a “kingdom” or, in Augustine’s term, a “city” of men living according to the divine mandate on earth, became increasingly institutionalized through a long series of stages, which this article will attempt to sketch. Later it became the appropriate framework of societal values for the modern type of society...

From:
"Christianity." International Encyclopedia of the Social Sciences. 1968. Encyclopedia.com . 29 Jul. 2013 < http://www.encyclopedia.com >.
SistaNoneyaBiz

London, KY

#109185 Jul 29, 2013
Glad to be foreign wrote:
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Your theory on "christians" recovering more quickly from illness, or have a less stressful outlook on thinks in general is because they live in a state of fictional bliss and don't have a grasp of or refuse to accept life's realities. Another decscription is that Americans believe in this religion garbage because they are gullible and stupid.
DO you always impose hateful judgements on collective groups, so bigotedly and broad brushedly.

That type of ignorance is rather stupid itself.
GodIsAnEyball

London, KY

#109186 Jul 29, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
There is no god.
Ask that question of any decent, kind, loving person, with a decent, kind loving soul and an actual conscience (as in not cruel, self centered, self serving, evil, hateful OR sickly dependent on others in unhealthy ways) and they might tell you otherwise.
SisterNoneYaBiz

London, KY

#109187 Jul 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, I looked it up and it does have mention of it. I am man enough to admit a wrong.
Now if you truly believe the claims, then are you going to test the claims? Do you drink poison and heal the sick daily? If not, why?
Mark 16:14-18
English Standard Version (ESV)
The Great Commission
14 Afterward he appeared to the eleven themselves as they were reclining at table, and he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen. 15 And he said to them,“Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation. 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
I always did have a strong favor for reading Corinthians-so many beautiful verses.

1 Corinthians 10:13

There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
SisterNoneYaBiz

London, KY

#109188 Jul 29, 2013
LOL in a suit wrote:
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Clearly the holyhatebible is a work of fiction.
and you are proof that hate in in the eye of the reader of.

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#109189 Jul 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Did you read a poll that showed "most" people believe Washington was a Christian? Not that it matters the percentage of what side believes what. My claim and point stands, their is a large dispute of what Washington believed in a religious sense, even to the point of him being a Christian or not.
Their is a debate of whether Hitler was a Christian also. Again, no matter the percentage of believers, the dispute is still a dispute.

The evidence for Hitler being a Christian is about the same for Washington being a Christian.
Both said some pretty contradictory things that can lead one to think they were not true believers of the story. Maybe they believed parts of the story. Maybe they believed some of the passages just had some good messages. So citing the reading the bible is not really conclusive in my opinion. I have been known to read the bible, would you call me a Christian?
I hope you know Christians are not the only people who pray. So citing this seems really strange.
I hope you know citing god does not make one a Christian. Most religions have gods.
If this is what you call conclusive evidence, I can see why you are a believer.
Do you even know what a deist is?

Oh, and I hope you know politicians will say a lot of things that are on the side of team-majority to win votes. So when a politician says something placating the believers, I would not put full trust his words are really what they believe. Washington was a politician. Hitler was politician.
No, I did not read polls. I read history books, and encyclopedias when younger. I did book reports and things like that in school. Remember those? Why do you people think polls prove anything?

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#109190 Jul 29, 2013
HealthyMindAndSoul wrote:
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As wel as Jails and people in white coats with straight jackets!!
Except that there are far more Christians in jails and mental institutions than there are atheists. Oops?

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#109191 Jul 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So "widely accepted" proves what? Islam is widely accepted, Hinduism is widely accepted. Need I continue?
Being widely accepted by people who are mostly ignorant of many of the things Washington said about religion certainly does not impress me.

Did you miss my post about Providence? Did you not comprehend my post about providence? I do not agree with you at all. If you think I agreed with you, go back and read my post again more carefully and thoughtfully.
Ignorant? Lets see you write some history books. Must anyone that disagrees with you be ignorant?

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#109192 Jul 29, 2013
curious wrote:
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RESULTS: Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder.
CONCLUSIONS: Religious affiliation is associated with less suicidal behavior in depressed inpatients. After other factors were controlled, it was found that greater moral objections to suicide and lower aggression level in religiously affiliated subjects may function as protective factors against suicide attempts. Further study about the influence of religious affiliation on aggressive behavior and how moral objections can reduce the probability of acting on suicidal thoughts may offer new therapeutic strategies in suicide prevention.
It is amazing how a study showing that Unbelievers have a higher rate of mental and addiction problems than the norm,will suddenly and conveniently remind Atheists that they used to have a drinking problem when they were believers ,or, as in the case of The Witch,he/she now confesses to have had Emotional problems before he converted to Atheism,,, Whoda thunk it
Another idiotic line used by the feebleminded"I became an Ahteist after I read the Bible"
Of course it might be that there are more crazy people who find that religion is a workable crutch than sane atheists who don't need it...

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#109193 Jul 29, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>What's the difference? A bunch of people coming back from the dead would be HUGE NEWS. It would have lasting repercussions in history. The absence of even the scantest evidence strongly suggests it is a fiction.
In the resurrection we will not be left to walk the earth. That's the difference.

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#109194 Jul 29, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>That's called being credulous. Hear a voice in your head, do what it tells you...check into the insane asylum.

Can you offer some demonstration of evidence to support the idea that such a thing as a "holy ghost" exists? By what means would you prove such a thing without throwing intellectual honesty out the window and relying on blind faith?
Yes, I have on here before.

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#109195 Jul 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I know you "feel" you explain yourself clearly about things, but if you note from me and several posters here, you do not. You bait and switch. You avoid direct questions like the plague, just as you did here.
No, I just grow tired of repeating the same stories to you over and over. Not avoiding, just not repeating.
SisterNoneYaBiz

London, KY

#109196 Jul 29, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> Have you seen some of the statements of this new Pope, that look much more tolerant than previous Catholic doctrine? Some of the best liberals in Congress are liberal Catholics, and some of the great radicals are liberation theory Catholics. I am so glad to be rid of Pope ratty, as I thought of him, the one with the Nazi background.
I still take the view that even agnostic atheist skeptic types (if on the left) can find much ethical common ground with the believers on the left - if leftist both on theology and ethics. I still favor whatever coalition is big enough to defeat the rightwing nutcases, who are backed by big money interests, and vast masses of ignorance.
Interesting, especially since "love" of money IS often truly the root of Evil.

The new Pope seems to be a rather interesting, NON BIGOTED man (as sould be)...personally I think they made a good choice (hopefully!!)

"New Living Translation (©2007)
Matthew 7:16
You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?"

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Pope Francis rocked some religious and atheist minds today when he declared that everyone was redeemed through Jesus, including atheists.

During his homily at Wednesday Mass in Rome, Francis emphasized the importance of "doing good" as a principle that unites all humanity, and a "culture of encounter" to support peace.

Using scripture from the Gospel of Mark, Francis explained how upset Jesus' disciples were that someone outside their group was doing good, according to a report from Vatican Radio.

“They complain,” the Pope said in his homily, because they say,“If he is not one of us, he cannot do good. If he is not of our party, he cannot do good.” And Jesus corrects them:“Do not hinder him, he says, let him do good.” The disciples, Pope Francis explains,“were a little intolerant,” closed off by the idea of &#8203;&#8203;possessi ng the truth, convinced that “those who do not have the truth, cannot do good.”“This was wrong ... Jesus broadens the horizon.” Pope Francis said,“The root of this possibility of doing good – that we all have – is in creation”
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#109197 Jul 29, 2013
curious wrote:
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I agree wit ya.
That is precisely why I have been criticizing the gibberish you have been posting about the bible.
And not only that........Using more than 1 moniker......
Now,let me ask you;
Would you not agree that your time would be spent more effectively trying to resolve the mental and social problems that
afflict Atheists instead of spending all this time worrying about my grammar?
There is no mental or social problem afflicting atheists that don't afflict everyone else, you complete nutjob.

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#109198 Jul 29, 2013
De Truth wrote:
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Are you CLAIMING that Hitler never put sodium fluoride in the water and that America doesn't do that to the public to this day?
You might need to look into that. And no ignorance is not bliss.
And I guess you missed the part in the Declaration of Independence where it states the creator? Hmmm, I wonder who they are talking about? hahahaha
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Are you claiming that "Thou shalt not commit murder" is not in the United States Laws? Seriously? Not to difficult to figure out.
Or how about "Thou shalt not steal"? I'm guessing you missed that one too?
Floride is put into the water in the USA. What's your point?

Hitler probably took a sh*t once a day. Do people who take a sh*t once a day kill millions of Jews?

Do you understand what Deism is? Do you know what the Enlightenment was? Do you understand that most of the central thinkers involved in framing the US Constitution were heavily influenced by the Enlightenment?

Have you ever wondered why none of those documents mention Jesus or the Bible? In fact, the only reason Jefferson even gave a nod to any idea of a god was because he wanted it to be palatable to people of the time. And virtually everyone in that time was a Christian, thus they believed in a god.

And before you make your next logical fallacy: Everyone working for Honda could be a jazz fan. That would not make Honda automobiles jazz automobiles.

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#109199 Jul 29, 2013
De Truth wrote:
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Wow, you really are asleep. I guessed someone would attack my grammar at the end of my statement and I was right on. You avoided all the information I posted previously and sure enough like clockwork, you attack the grammar. This is fun. Tick, tock, tick, tock.
Seriously though, you need to wake up. Try to stop watching ALL tv for 2 weeks and stop drinking the tap water (drink filtered, reverse osmosis water instead), and in the morning before you get out of bed, drink an 8 ounce glass of distilled water everyday to clear the toxins out and see if you don't feel any different...more aware of what is going on.
Don't get mad, just try it.
Peace.
I don't watch TV.

Also, I never attacked your grammar. I was responding to someone else and I was referring to a different person on here who seems incapable or unwilling to learn how to compose sentences.

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#109200 Jul 29, 2013
De Truth wrote:
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First of all, aliens are demons, and Satan did alter the DNA back before the days of Noah, there were giants and all kinds of freaky hybrids. Just go on youtube and look up giant skeletons.(the real media) That's why God destroyed the earth with the flood. You can find that in all kinds of ancient history from different parts of the world.
And of course you can find the answers in the Bible. Its whether you believe it or not, and you obviously don't believe it because you don't know the truth. You probably think we came from aliens like that show Ancient Aliens says. Stop watching the tv. Ever wonder why they call it TV PROGRAMMING??? You are being programmed. Hello? Don't get mad, I was asleep too not to long ago.
The schools only teach you what they want you to learn. The news only shows you what they want you to see. Start questioning all of it and you will find out the truth. It's like the matrix movie except you aren't hooked up to wires and fed through tubes and inside a shell.
Ever wonder why all those wealthy guys like Bill Gates drop out of College? Because they can't learn anything there. They program the kids to follow the rule established, not to think outside of the box.
You are absolutely insane. Perhaps more so than some of the others on here. And that's an incredible feat.

Also, Ancient Aliens is one of the stupidest things TV has ever been disgraced enough to air. Both the History and Discovery Channels are completely idiotic and have nothing to do with history or discovery.
SisterNoneYaBiz

London, KY

#109201 Jul 29, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Except that there are far more Christians in jails and mental institutions than there are atheists. Oops?
That's usually after the fact...once they were forced to face the fact, that they were sick minds prior to.
Some oops ARE truly unintentional, it's the ones that are not-w/out any justifiable reason-that are the evil and/or Sick in the head ones.

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#109202 Jul 29, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Just to be clear, it is well documented that stealing and murder were laws in most lands long before the ten commandments were presented, so those laws were not "based" upon the commandments. They are based upon common moral reasoning.
To bad Moses could not even follow his own rules.
Yeah. No doubt.

And it's also telling that the commandments read like a peace treaty. The treaties of the time usually started with long passages about how great the ruler is and how upon signing the treaty you will have no other rulers before you.

The Hebrews were writing their book based on what they knew. The Ten Commandments were formulated very similar to those treaties they would have been familiar with. Making a treaty with a god, basically. A pact. A covenant. Etc.

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