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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 169039 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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webster

Greenbrier, AR

#98881 Apr 7, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Again,you err.
I never said that my faith would prove that God Exits.
My personal experiences are real and through those personal experiences I have come to believe in God.
God proved his existence to me
Since YOU did not experience what I did,I can understand the reason for your unbelief, Faith can not be transferred from one person to another.
I know what I experienced,you don't know what I experienced,therefore,your inability to understand...
That does not mean that you are not intelligent,it does not mean that my intelligence is superior to yours....
Anyway,I know that what I experienced is real,I lived it and the fact that someone may have a different opinion or theory about my experience,will not serve to invalidate what I believe is true.
...I promise you that others have experienced what you have experienced and didn't belive god had anything to do with it...there's nothing that you've been through, that another human hasn't gone through before, I assure you.
webster

Greenbrier, AR

#98882 Apr 7, 2013
...UNLESS, you've been on Ripley's Believe IT OR Not!...not that shit is R-E-A-L...
Known Fact

Cape Canaveral, FL

#98883 Apr 7, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Young Earth Creationists believe the Earth is 6000 years old, give or take. They arrived at this number by adding up the "begats" in the Jewish Bible.
Science comes up with dates from thousands or billions of years ago by a whole series of dating techniques. They measure the decay rates of radioactive isotopes, check the composition of a rock or fossil, then do the math on how long ago that rock or fossil must have come into being. Here's a link to a page that explains a lot of dating methods.
http://darwiniana.org/datingmethods.htm
And here's a list of various methods used:
Superposition
Stratigraphy
Dendrochronology
Radiocarbon C14
Radiometric Dating Methods
Obsidian Hydration Dating
Paleomagnetic/Archaeomagnetic
Luminescence Dating Methods
Amino Acid Racemization
Fission-track Dating
Ice Cores
Varves
Pollens
Corals
Cation Ratio
Fluorine Dating
Patination
Oxidizable Carbon Ratio
Electron Spin Resonance
Cosmic-ray Exposure Dating
And if you cross check these different lines of evidence they tend to confirm each other. In other words, using one method might get you a date of 1.2 billion years. Another method might get you 1.4. Another might get you 1.25. See the pattern? So when it comes to these really ancient dates the best you can do is get relatively close.
I mean seriously. If this isn't enough evidence for the accuracy of scientific dating methods then you are not a person who is capable of accepting evidence.
True Bible knowledge knows the Earth is more than 6,000 years old. The Bible does not state how old the earth is! The account starts in the Bible book of Genesis by saying "In the begenning God created the heavens and the earth." Then it goes forward to preparing the earth for habitation...plant life, animal life then Humans! Humans have been on earth near 6,000 years and the fossil record supports that fact! The Bible is not at odds with Scientific fact but it does not support the fairy tale of evolution. Some try to pass off Evolution as scientific fact but nothing could be farther from the truth!
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#98884 Apr 7, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>You lie like a christian. Evolution has not been refuted.
So your brain chemistry gives you a "high" when you get a religious fever now that is proof of your god ROTFLMFAO at you. You are a special kind of stupid arn't you. Here, let me misspell a word to make you feel better, dog
Evolution has been refuted by many scientists and scholars. That there are other scientists and scholars that still maintain a belief in evolution,is also true.
Obviously,I did not make myself very clear,or at least,not clear enough to your limited understanding.
Your limited unmderstanding is further confirmed,by trying to
tell me what it was that I experienced,since your opinion is based on something you know absolutely nothing about,thereby making you the least qualified to voice an opinion.
Moreover,since you need resort to insults,in order to justify your factless theory , let me leave you with this thought.
If Evolution is true,then one can conclude that YOUR intellect could evolve into a more sophisticared intellect,in which case,YOU would probably evolve back to YOUR origins,nonintelligent matter.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#98885 Apr 7, 2013
Revelation 1:8

King James Version (KJV)


8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Known Fact

Cape Canaveral, FL

#98886 Apr 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to confuse. I was just being very general. I absolutely think it is imperative to seek out the truth. And when I say view instead of religion, it is because most atheists do not consider their beliefs a religion, though their beliefs (or lack of) come with a certain expectation of what will happen in the afterlife. That's why I said view. I could have said opinion, belief, expectations, whatever word you like.
My faith absolutely shaped my life and my decisions. I didn't mean to be so general that you thought my religion, or anyone's, is trivial. I believe it is the main purpose of life.
So how does one find the true church? If that was your question to me, the answer to me will be different than that of a Hindu, for example. My belief is that the truth can be found through the Holy Ghost. Jesus said seek and you shall find. The apostle James said if any of you lack wisdom, to ask of God.
I believe you have to work for it, but He will answer through the Holy Ghost.
ARE YOU A GENUINE CHRISTIAN?
It is vital for each person who claims to be a Christian to answer this question positively. Why? Because God’s approval depends thereon. Christianity is not merely a belief or a label, but a way of life. Does your way of life reflect Christ’s example? Does your religious practice match the Biblical quality of the early Christians?
The apostle Paul invites us:“Put yourselves to the proof, to see whether you are holding the Faith. Test yourselves.”(2 Corinthians 13:5, The Twentieth Century New Testament) To this end, we invite you to check the following short list, while looking up the cited scriptures in your own Bible.
1. Do you participate in national or political loyalties that cause divisions among professed Christians?—1 Corinthians 1:10; John 18:36; James 1:27.
2. How do you define Christian love?—1 Corinthians 13:4-8.
3. Do you, in practice, endeavor to show true neighbor love? How?—Matthew 22:39; John 13:34, 35.
4. Are you kind, tenderly compassionate and forgiving toward others?—Ephesians 4:31; Romans 12:10.
5. In your daily life, do you avoid lying, stealing, cheating and the use of obscene and abusive language?—Ephesians 5:3-5; 4:25-31.
6. Are you inclined to think that sexual morality is of minor importance?—Mark 7:20-23.
7. Do you tend to excesses in eating and drinking?—Proverbs 23:20, 21; Ephesians 5:18.
8. Do you try to communicate true Christian faith to others by word and deed?—Romans 10:9, 10; 1 Corinthians 9:16.
At what conclusion do you arrive? Do true Christians really exist today? Do you know of any who earnestly try to live like Christ and at the same time make a real effort to communicate their Christian belief and way of life to their neighbors? Does your own religion in fact teach and practice genuine Christianity? Or is this just an attractive label or impressive signature?
If you do not already know them personally, we suggest you take a closer look at Jehovah’s Witnesses in your vicinity and see if they are conscientiously endeavoring to measure up to the Bible standards considered above. If you do not know where they are located, we will be glad to help you to get in touch with them.—Isaiah 43:10-12; Acts 11:26.
www.jw.org

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#98887 Apr 7, 2013
curious wrote:
The question is better phrased as a statement: "Everything that has come into existence was brought into existence by something else." This is a more logical statement and is not wrought with the difficulties of the initial question. In the revised statement, "Everything that has come into existence" implies that the thing that "has come into existence" did not already exist. If it did not already exist but then came into existence, then something had to bring it into existence, because something that does not exist cannot bring itself into existence (a logical absolute). This pushes the regression of creators back to what we would call the theoretical "uncaused cause" since there cannot be an infinite regression of creators as discussed above; and since an infinite number of creators would mean there was an infinite number of creations and created things, including things that cannot be destroyed since they would constitute things that exist. If that is so, then the universe would have had an infinite number of created things in it, and it would be full. But it is not full. Therefore, there has not been an infinite regression of creations.
By definition, the Christian God never came into existence; that is, He is the uncaused cause (Psalm 90:2). He was always in existence and He is the one who created space, time, and matter. This means that the Christian God is the uncaused cause, and is the ultimate creator. This eliminates the infinite regression problem.
Some may ask, "But who created God?" The answer is that by definition He is not created; He is eternal. He is the One who brought time, space, and matter into existence. Since the concept of causality deals with space, time, and matter, and since God is the one who brought space, time, and matter into existence, the concept of causality does not apply to God since it is something related to the reality of space, time, and matter. Since God is before space, time, and matter, the issue of causality does not apply to Him.
That has to be the longest-winded rephrasing of "Because the bible told me my god is eternal" I've ever seen. I pulled a sympathetic muscle watching the gymnastics you just went through.

So, after all that we're right back where we started. You reject science, and ignore all of it's supporting evidence in favor of your magic book that has no evidence supporting it because science doesn't yet have all the answers (and maybe never will).

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#98888 Apr 7, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry to confuse. I was just being very general. I absolutely think it is imperative to seek out the truth. And when I say view instead of religion, it is because most atheists do not consider their beliefs a religion, though their beliefs (or lack of) come with a certain expectation of what will happen in the afterlife. That's why I said view. I could have said opinion, belief, expectations, whatever word you like.
My faith absolutely shaped my life and my decisions. I didn't mean to be so general that you thought my religion, or anyone's, is trivial. I believe it is the main purpose of life.
I see, probably my fault for butting into a conversation without having read the previous posts.

Now, I'm confused about something else:
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
So how does one find the true church? If that was your question to me, the answer to me will be different than that of a Hindu, for example. My belief is that the truth can be found through the Holy Ghost. Jesus said seek and you shall find. The apostle James said if any of you lack wisdom, to ask of God.
I believe you have to work for it, but He will answer through the Holy Ghost.
How do you "know" that the Hindu isn't right? Or are you contending that all religions are valid.
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#98889 Apr 7, 2013
-NEPHILIM- wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry but could you give me an example of "gentle manly terms"?
Upon going back and reading what I posted,I can well understand your confusion...My apologies
Gentlemanly terms does not adequately convey what I was trying to express.
here is the point I was trying to make.
Yiago and I were coming to terms in order to discuss his beliefs on Evolution and my belief I God.
I did not want this discussion to end up with insults being flung around as has happened with others,who resort to insults.
Guess the right term would be,Gentlemanly manner
Hope that clears it up...Next time I get on the computer gotta make sure I have that 2nd cup of coffee
Known Fact

Cape Canaveral, FL

#98890 Apr 7, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
I see, probably my fault for butting into a conversation without having read the previous posts.
Now, I'm confused about something else:
<quoted text>
How do you "know" that the Hindu isn't right? Or are you contending that all religions are valid.
There can only be ONE TRUE RELIGION! It's like 2+2=4, you can give billions of wrong answers to that simple addition but it would still be 4. John 8:31,32...“If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, 32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free.”

It's ust that simple!
Known Fact

Cape Canaveral, FL

#98891 Apr 7, 2013
IT IS THAT SIMPLE believe it or not!
Known Fact

Cape Canaveral, FL

#98892 Apr 7, 2013
Jesus said at: John 8:31,32 ...“If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, 32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free.”
IT'S THAT SIMPLE believe it or not!
Known Fact

Cape Canaveral, FL

#98893 Apr 7, 2013
If you would like help in learning the TRUTH contact Jehovah's Witnesses in your area or go on line to www.jw.org

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#98895 Apr 7, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
There can only be ONE TRUE RELIGION! It's like 2+2=4, you can give billions of wrong answers to that simple addition but it would still be 4. John 8:31,32...“If YOU remain in my word, YOU are really my disciples, 32 and YOU will know the truth, and the truth will set YOU free.”
It's ust that simple!
So you know that your magic book is the right magic book because it says it is.

You don't think that sounds even a little silly?
curious

Winter Garden, FL

#98897 Apr 7, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
That has to be the longest-winded rephrasing of "Because the bible told me my god is eternal" I've ever seen. I pulled a sympathetic muscle watching the gymnastics you just went through.
So, after all that we're right back where we started. You reject science, and ignore all of it's supporting evidence in favor of your magic book that has no evidence supporting it because science doesn't yet have all the answers (and maybe never will).
Well you asked me and I responded,that you think it's longwinded is your opinion...How you arrived at the opinion that the Bible is a magic book,leads me to conclude that you are misinformed.
Nowhere in the Bible does God claim that he has magical powers,none of the individuals who wrote the Books contained in the Bible claim that God has magical powers,nor did Christ.
Nevertheless,the Pharisses,who did not believe in Christ,claimed that he performed his miracles by the power of Beelzebub and accused him of being a sorcerer. They did not deny the miracles they merely claimed that the miracles did not come from God...
In their unbelief,they could not accept the reality occuring all around them and made every effort to discredit him....
That is an old tactic,that failed
But,so be it. Insofar as being long winded,the same can not be said for those nonbelievers who are unable to explain how it is that nonliving and nonintelligent matter,can,by accidental means,somehow,become alive and intelligent.Science can provide no facts to verify how that occured..Shortwinded explanation,we don't know.
So yes,we are right back where we started...

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98898 Apr 7, 2013
-NEPHILIM- wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't consider most religions cults but the ones that tell you how you should dress, how you should speak, forbids you to read anything they do not approve of, that disown former members, make up weird rules, requires you to give them money and have leaders that are looked at like they are almost Gods themselves, then those are cults.
You just descried the christians

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98899 Apr 7, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Evolution has been refuted by many scientists and scholars. That there are other scientists and scholars that still maintain a belief in evolution,is also true.
Obviously,I did not make myself very clear,or at least,not clear enough to your limited understanding.
Your limited unmderstanding is further confirmed,by trying to
tell me what it was that I experienced,since your opinion is based on something you know absolutely nothing about,thereby making you the least qualified to voice an opinion.
Moreover,since you need resort to insults,in order to justify your factless theory , let me leave you with this thought.
If Evolution is true,then one can conclude that YOUR intellect could evolve into a more sophisticared intellect,in which case,YOU would probably evolve back to YOUR origins,nonintelligent matter.
Here is the thing. If there was a red apple but you said it was an orange you would say that scientist have proven it is not a red apple and you have faith that it is an orange. So fu8k off troll HMMM you scold me for misspelling a word and you misspelled two of them (sophisticared, nonintelligent)

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98901 Apr 7, 2013
@curious, You post outright lies, when some one post facts you stick your fingers in your ears and go "not true, I believe", when some one answers your stupid questions and/or calls you on your lie you go right back and ask the same question.
You are a troll and have NOTHING to add or say to this conversation.
Here is the bottom line, your rights end where others begin so you do not have the right to force your beliefs on to any one.
If you want religion in schools than you must allow all religions, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, Wicca, Satanist, etc.....
The christian cult has lost so many people that now only 1 in 3 go to a christian cult church, you are the minority and soon your cult will die. In ten years you will be afraid to call yourself a christian in public (dont worry, WE will not treat YOU like YOU treated US)

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#98902 Apr 7, 2013
-NEPHILIM- wrote:
<quoted text>I don't consider most religions cults but the ones that tell you how you should dress, how you should speak, forbids you to read anything they do not approve of, that disown former members, make up weird rules, requires you to give them money and have leaders that are looked at like they are almost Gods themselves, then those are cults.
My point was, every religion could be called such by definition.
Sounds like you are describing most Christian denominations.

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98903 Apr 7, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Well you asked me and I responded,that you think it's longwinded is your opinion...How you arrived at the opinion that the Bible is a magic book,leads me to conclude that you are misinformed.
Nowhere in the Bible does God claim that he has magical powers,none of the individuals who wrote the Books contained in the Bible claim that God has magical powers,nor did Christ.
Nevertheless,the Pharisses,who did not believe in Christ,claimed that he performed his miracles by the power of Beelzebub and accused him of being a sorcerer. They did not deny the miracles they merely claimed that the miracles did not come from God...
In their unbelief,they could not accept the reality occuring all around them and made every effort to discredit him....
That is an old tactic,that failed
But,so be it. Insofar as being long winded,the same can not be said for those nonbelievers who are unable to explain how it is that nonliving and nonintelligent matter,can,by accidental means,somehow,become alive and intelligent.Science can provide no facts to verify how that occured..Shortwinded explanation,we don't know.
So yes,we are right back where we started...
If you do not understand or know something than some myth god must have done it? Did you drop out of high school?

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