C_Duckworth

Mcallen, TX

#22 Jan 8, 2008
straight from savannah wrote:
<quoted text>oh my! I had no idea. I am currently blessed not to have to use them for anything, actually the first time I had heard of them was last year in front of the grocery store they were handing out brochures and asking for donations, my 13 year old donated his last five dollars to them when they explained to them what they did to help kids who were on drugs. He thought it was great and I applauded him and my son for their good hearts.....thanks for posting this, although I am pretty confident I won't have any problems with my son concerning drugs, it is nice to know....just in case!
I was just reading all the hoop-a-la about Teen Challenge and your comment about your son giving to them his last $5. I am a mother also and my son was horrifically addicted to meth among other things. Because he attended Teen Challenge for the complete program, he is free today from all addictions and has three children. That was over 13 years ago. I thought he would die in the streets in Calif. But because of the program and the dicipleship structure, he has a lifetime of tools to use when life gets too stressed for him. So your son did a wonderful thing to help a person who cannot help himself get free for a lifetime. We have three grandchildren now and a great relationship with him and his wife. So I thank your son because his gift will help a mother like myself get her son back from certain death. Tell him for me, would you?
Ducky
C_Duckworth

Mcallen, TX

#23 Jan 8, 2008
I am grieved to hear the stories of Teen Challenge abuse in regards to government issues. If Teen Challenge goes away, many men and women will never recieve their freedom for addictions. AA is also a marvelous program. Whatever works for an individual is a choice and a freedom. I would not want to see Teen Challenge go away, many more families will suffer the ramifications of lost family members if it does. I do agree everything should be right and in order, but it does run by free-will offerings. The average montetary fees for one month in the program is about $1,700 a month and the fees are dropped because most times the addicts are bankrupt when they arrive there to apply for admintence. Other 30 to 60 day drug rehabs cost anywhere from $30,000 and upwards for families already stretched to a financial and emotioanl limit. Getting lawyer fees to satisfy angry accusations only take the financial grants away from much needy men and women with no hope left in their lives already.
C_Duckworth

Mcallen, TX

#24 Jan 8, 2008
Teen Challenge Exposed wrote:
A former Teen Challenge student exposes this abusive Christian alcohol and drug program. Although seen by many as a worthwhile organization, Teen Challenge has a dark side, one of pathological abuse and an obsession with the almighty dollar.
http://www.teenchallengeexposed.com
I hope you see this response about your accusation. I am grieved that your view of Teen Challenge is so dark. I have had a different experience from their ministry to the down trodden and hopeless. They helped our family get back on track and did that without asking not one cent from us. Our son had stolen so much money from us to feed his habit that we were done. There was nothing left to give until TC gave us the single chance we needed. Many times addicts will wine and cry about anything to get out of the program. But no one has ever gone hungry. An addict often will complain to family to get them to pick them up. The main reason they do that is that they can walk away from the program at any time and if the family does not pick them up, then they have to walk home. Much less comfortable. The further away fromn family they are the less they will be rescued. We refused to pick up our son in order to get him back the way he was before meth. It WORKED! So I wonder why you are focusing on the words :money hungry?' did you walk away from the program before you were done?

“It's all about the money”

Since: Jul 07

Clovis, CA

#25 Jan 9, 2008
C_Duckworth wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope you see this response about your accusation. I am grieved that your view of Teen Challenge is so dark. I have had a different experience from their ministry to the down trodden and hopeless. They helped our family get back on track and did that without asking not one cent from us. Our son had stolen so much money from us to feed his habit that we were done. There was nothing left to give until TC gave us the single chance we needed. Many times addicts will wine and cry about anything to get out of the program. But no one has ever gone hungry. An addict often will complain to family to get them to pick them up. The main reason they do that is that they can walk away from the program at any time and if the family does not pick them up, then they have to walk home. Much less comfortable. The further away fromn family they are the less they will be rescued. We refused to pick up our son in order to get him back the way he was before meth. It WORKED! So I wonder why you are focusing on the words :money hungry?' did you walk away from the program before you were done?
No. I was required to do one year, so that's what I did. I put together my site as a means of keeping a promise to several syudents to "expose this place for what it really is." I'm a journalism major, so they asked me to submit an article to the Riverside Press-Enterprise, but this web site reaches more people and can be updated whenever I choose.

There are programs that are free that are not overly Jesusy like Teen Challenge is. The Salvation Army's Adult Rehabilitation Center is a six-month (up to a year if you want to stay) program that uses AA as its recovery system, but though you attend chapel twice a week, a belief in the Bible is not required. You work in their warehouse sorting donations or helping truck drivers pick them up and unload them. It costs nothing, and you are even given a little spending money ($4 the first week, and it steadily increases to $18). This allows residents to buy cigarettes (I liked Skoal in those days) or a soda, etc. I used some of my "gratuity" to get a better haircut than the freebie I could get at the barber college (they don't know how to cut curly hair!)

30 miles away in Porterville, there is the PAAR Center, a residential drug and alcohol facility. They charge $1100 for ninety days, but they don't toot their own horn like TC does, so they don't need as much money. They just want to help people.

The reason I focus on the money issue is because if you become sick or injured, and cannot make money for the ministry, you are unceremoniously dumped at the bus station. I helped keep a TC from opening in Eureka, CA (several residents there sent me letters, and one called me, all thanking me) by revealing this "make us $$$ or get out" requirement. The Eureka Reporter asked Fred Lamberson, head of TC in that area, about my charges, and here is the response:

(Editor’s note: Concerning Kincheloe’s statement about Teen Challenge expelling people who cannot work because of injury or sickness, Redwood Teen Challenge Director Fred Lamberson III said Teen Challenge’s policy is that the organization will allow participants to take a rest and then determine whether the situation is an ongoing medical crisis and, if it is, then will that prevent the individual from continuing to be and work in the program.)

My roommate Ed Mimms came down with walking pneumonia after washing cars in sub-freezing temperatures - they wash cars at a huge lot from midnight to 9:30 a.m. for an auction company - and after grudgingly taking him to the doctor - they claimed he "didn't pray enough", and that was the reason that he got sick - they gave him four days to get well or get out. I document this in my home page on my site.

If you have any more questions/comments, you can post them here or email me at admin@teenchallengeexposed.com

Have a good day.
Kathy

AOL

#26 Jan 30, 2008
Does anyone know more about the Midland location?
olive

Saskatoon, Canada

#27 Feb 9, 2008
straight from savannah wrote:
<quoted text>oh my! I had no idea. I am currently blessed not to have to use them for anything, actually the first time I had heard of them was last year in front of the grocery store they were handing out brochures and asking for donations, my 13 year old donated his last five dollars to them when they explained to them what they did to help kids who were on drugs. He thought it was great and I applauded him and my son for their good hearts.....thanks for posting this, although I am pretty confident I won't have any problems with my son concerning drugs, it is nice to know....just in case!
hello...im not sure if this site is still followed up on but Im so greatful to find it. I feel confirmed that Im not crazy. That what I saw and felt while briefly employeed at teen challenge canada was truly happening and not imagined. The organization here is just as "legalistic" and work driven as described on this page. The men are convinced that the harder they work the closer they are to God and that the further away they are from their addiction. I was fired for unknown reasons. Although recently I spoke to a senior in management, who I believed was allowing me to share my own path of continued recovery only because as a new staff member I was having trouble understanding teen challenges policies with disipline. I was on site for all of 8 weeks. For being honest and sincere, which I have been taught Christ calls us to be, teen challenge inc terminated me, and escorted me off site, in a matter of 1 hour. I shared that I didnt agree that I personally was cured from my addictions but was healed, I shared that I found Christ in A.A and believed others could have that same amazing experience. I shared that because addictions is an illness not a moral sin, in my life, that I continue to grow and learn from my mistakes, and dont benefit from being punished, as I did that when I was active and a non believer. God forbid anyone ever share in honesty with these people. I also pray for all families who send the sons, brothers, or husbands on site believing that they are safe when in reality their very souls are being filled with fear, and they are being used to " provide employee paychecks". That is the bottom dollar. Teen Challenge needs a challenge from the government. A.A is the solution for those needing recovery, or at least I can say I have 10 years of sobriety with a deep faith in Christ that was FREE!

“It's all about the money”

Since: Jul 07

Clovis, CA

#28 Feb 9, 2008
olive wrote:
The men are convinced that the harder they work the closer they are to God and that the further away they are from their addiction. I was fired for unknown reasons. Although recently I spoke to a senior in management, who I believed was allowing me to share my own path of continued recovery only because as a new staff member I was having trouble understanding teen challenges policies with disipline. I was on site for all of 8 weeks. For being honest and sincere, which I have been taught Christ calls us to be, teen challenge inc terminated me, and escorted me off site, in a matter of 1 hour. I shared that I didnt agree that I personally was cured from my addictions but was healed, I shared that I found Christ in A.A and believed others could have that same amazing experience. I shared that because addictions is an illness not a moral sin, in my life, that I continue to grow and learn from my mistakes, and dont benefit from being punished, as I did that when I was active and a non believer. God forbid anyone ever share in honesty with these people. I also pray for all families who send the sons, brothers, or husbands on site believing that they are safe when in reality their very souls are being filled with fear, and they are being used to " provide employee paychecks". That is the bottom dollar. Teen Challenge needs a challenge from the government. A.A is the solution for those needing recovery, or at least I can say I have 10 years of sobriety with a deep faith in Christ that was FREE!
No one is ever further away from their addiction than the first drink or line of dope. That knowledge, on a day-to-day basis, is what keeps us from picking up and using that substance again.

Addiction is not caused by sin. It is genetic, and is passed down through one's family tree. The idea that addiction can be "cured" by prayer is what we in A.A. called "the insanity of our disease." Once a cucumber becomes a pickle, it's that way forever (I'm sure you've heard that saying before). No amount of prayer can change that. This is why you see Teen Challenge staff members who are supposedly "cured" who explode in anger at the slightest little thing. They are not cured, they are still active in their addiction even though they are not using. They will always be addicts, and yes, I am saying that Jesus Christ cannot cure addiction, no more than he can make the radii of a circle unequal to each other or make a square with more or less than four equal sides. Many things are impossible, and curing adduction is one of them. This is why Teen Challenge became angry with you; because you told the truth about their bullsh*t way of looking at addiction.

Stay clean and sober one more day. I'll try to do the same. Good luck to you.
mel

Auburn Hills, MI

#29 Feb 9, 2008
addiction is sin not genetic...you make your own decisions
nick jonas lover

Metairie, LA

#30 Feb 10, 2008
WHAT IS TEEN CHALLENGE
Be real

Grand Haven, MI

#31 Feb 11, 2008
Teen Challenge Exposed wrote:
<quoted text>
No. I was required to do one year, so that's what I did. I put together my site as a means of keeping a promise to several syudents to "expose this place for what it really is." I'm a journalism major, so they asked me to submit an article to the Riverside Press-Enterprise, but this web site reaches more people and can be updated whenever I choose.
There are programs that are free that are not overly Jesusy like Teen Challenge is. The Salvation Army's Adult Rehabilitation Center is a six-month (up to a year if you want to stay) program that uses AA as its recovery system, but though you attend chapel twice a week, a belief in the Bible is not required. You work in their warehouse sorting donations or helping truck drivers pick them up and unload them. It costs nothing, and you are even given a little spending money ($4 the first week, and it steadily increases to $18). This allows residents to buy cigarettes (I liked Skoal in those days) or a soda, etc. I used some of my "gratuity" to get a better haircut than the freebie I could get at the barber college (they don't know how to cut curly hair!)
30 miles away in Porterville, there is the PAAR Center, a residential drug and alcohol facility. They charge $1100 for ninety days, but they don't toot their own horn like TC does, so they don't need as much money. They just want to help people.
The reason I focus on the money issue is because if you become sick or injured, and cannot make money for the ministry, you are unceremoniously dumped at the bus station. I helped keep a TC from opening in Eureka, CA (several residents there sent me letters, and one called me, all thanking me) by revealing this "make us $$$ or get out" requirement. The Eureka Reporter asked Fred Lamberson, head of TC in that area, about my charges, and here is the response:
(Editor’s note: Concerning Kincheloe’s statement about Teen Challenge expelling people who cannot work because of injury or sickness, Redwood Teen Challenge Director Fred Lamberson III said Teen Challenge’s policy is that the organization will allow participants to take a rest and then determine whether the situation is an ongoing medical crisis and, if it is, then will that prevent the individual from continuing to be and work in the program.)
My roommate Ed Mimms came down with walking pneumonia after washing cars in sub-freezing temperatures - they wash cars at a huge lot from midnight to 9:30 a.m. for an auction company - and after grudgingly taking him to the doctor - they claimed he "didn't pray enough", and that was the reason that he got sick - they gave him four days to get well or get out. I document this in my home page on my site.
If you have any more questions/comments, you can post them here or email me at admin@teenchallengeexposed.com
Have a good day.
So you were 'required' to do a year? Who required it? The Judge who sentenced you to jail for the crimes YOU committed against society?
So you have a Degree in jounalism? Are we to assume that had something to do with why you ended up in T.C.?
Lets hear the REAL truth!
Be real

Grand Haven, MI

#32 Feb 11, 2008
olive wrote:
<quoted text>
hello...im not sure if this site is still followed up on but Im so greatful to find it. I feel confirmed that Im not crazy. That what I saw and felt while briefly employeed at teen challenge canada was truly happening and not imagined. The organization here is just as "legalistic" and work driven as described on this page. The men are convinced that the harder they work the closer they are to God and that the further away they are from their addiction. I was fired for unknown reasons. Although recently I spoke to a senior in management, who I believed was allowing me to share my own path of continued recovery only because as a new staff member I was having trouble understanding teen challenges policies with disipline. I was on site for all of 8 weeks. For being honest and sincere, which I have been taught Christ calls us to be, teen challenge inc terminated me, and escorted me off site, in a matter of 1 hour. I shared that I didnt agree that I personally was cured from my addictions but was healed, I shared that I found Christ in A.A and believed others could have that same amazing experience. I shared that because addictions is an illness not a moral sin, in my life, that I continue to grow and learn from my mistakes, and dont benefit from being punished, as I did that when I was active and a non believer. God forbid anyone ever share in honesty with these people. I also pray for all families who send the sons, brothers, or husbands on site believing that they are safe when in reality their very souls are being filled with fear, and they are being used to " provide employee paychecks". That is the bottom dollar. Teen Challenge needs a challenge from the government. A.A is the solution for those needing recovery, or at least I can say I have 10 years of sobriety with a deep faith in Christ that was FREE!
So you pray for the families who send their loved ones to this place? What exactly do you pray for them? Do you really think the families care that their loved ones are safe? Trust me, we are just glad that we are safe from the torment and abuse the "loved one" has been putting us through!!! Every minute of every day, we were dying a slow death, not knowing if our loved ones are dying from an overdose, freezing to death under an overpass, or being gunned down over a bad drug deal. Believe it or not, we live with the fear everyday of our loved ones being sent to prison. We laugh at the fact that our loved ones might be forced to work for 33 cents a day considering that they could be abused far worse in prison. Any family member who feels sorry for the fact that the abuser is being abused by being forced to be accountable for their actions, needs to get some help themselves and learn about enabling. They obviously are part of the problem.
I'm glad you got Jesus and found Him in AA. A personal relationship with the Lord is just that..Personal. So why did you feel it necessary to push your personal beliefs on T.C.? I don't believe T>C> hired you for that reason. They have their own beliefs and if you don't support or agree with them, you had every right to quit. Unless of course it was part of some jail conversion or court ordered requirement in which your FREEDOM was based. If so, the judge should of saw through your attitude and never given you the opportunity. In that case, I would say not only did you fail society, but so did the judge. I'd rather recall the judge for not doing his job than hold T.C. accountable for your feelings getting hurt! Grow up!
david hester

Milledgeville, GA

#33 Feb 11, 2008
I have succefully conpleted teen challenge last year I can honestly say that teen challenge saved my life . I was addicted to crack cocane for 16 years I was in and out of jails and prision for most of my adult life thanks to teen challenge I was given the oppurtunity to prove to myself that with the faith and right teaching I could become a better person there are no better people than the ones who took time out of there every day life to share with me the word of god they are the ones who work at sanford teen challenge
Be real

Grand Haven, MI

#34 Feb 11, 2008
david hester wrote:
I have succefully conpleted teen challenge last year I can honestly say that teen challenge saved my life . I was addicted to crack cocane for 16 years I was in and out of jails and prision for most of my adult life thanks to teen challenge I was given the oppurtunity to prove to myself that with the faith and right teaching I could become a better person there are no better people than the ones who took time out of there every day life to share with me the word of god they are the ones who work at sanford teen challenge
That's awesome David. You have been blessed and your gratefulness for the faithfulness of the people at Sanford is refreshing in this forum. With the good attitude you have and your willingness to share God's Grace in your life, you wear the crown!
How are your friends and family handling the new man you have become? Have they received help of any kind?
Lori

Cape Coral, FL

#35 Feb 23, 2008
My son just graduated from West Florida Teen Challenge. IT IS A WONDERFUL place. It saved my son's life. Pastor Dave, Mrs. Barbara, Sgt. Davis, Sgt. Beys, Pastor Clay, Sgt. Kimbryl, Sgt. Lopez, Sgt. harris, Sgt. laycox, etc.... are all WONDERFUL and CHRISTIAN people who saved my son's life. Shame on you for putting them down and blinding those from taking their son's to that facility where their life may be saved!!!
Lori

Cape Coral, FL

#36 Feb 23, 2008
nick jonas lover wrote:
WHAT IS TEEN CHALLENGE
Hi! It is a christian based 13 month military style school program for boys ages 11 to 18. It's for boys that are ADHD, on drugs/alcohol, in school troubloe, or just major home trouble. My son just graduated from there and we have a new son! It saved his life!! Look up West Florida Teen Challenge for more information.

“It's all about the money”

Since: Jul 07

Clovis, CA

#37 Feb 23, 2008
Lori wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi! It is a christian based 13 month military style school program for boys ages 11 to 18. It's for boys that are ADHD, on drugs/alcohol, in school troubloe, or just major home trouble. My son just graduated from there and we have a new son! It saved his life!! Look up West Florida Teen Challenge for more information.
That particular one may be. Over 75% of Teen Challenge "students" are adults; the name is misleading. We had a man at Shafter who was in his 60s.

One of the directors at the Winthrop, Maine Teen Challenge is a registered sex offender whose name is in the National Sex Offender Public Registry.

Since: Feb 08

Tri-cities area

#38 Feb 23, 2008
Teen Challenge Exposed wrote:
<quoted text>
That particular one may be. Over 75% of Teen Challenge "students" are adults; the name is misleading. We had a man at Shafter who was in his 60s.
One of the directors at the Winthrop, Maine Teen Challenge is a registered sex offender whose name is in the National Sex Offender Public Registry.
Why don't you expand your 'research' and go back to when the first Teen Challenge opened and why. It's because it was originally centered around "teens" you idiot. Your probably too young to know anything about WOODSTOCK, Jimmy Hendix, LSD, pure Heroine, race riots, and the Pentacostal movement.
Maybe Teen Challenge is a little out of sync with the challenges that exist with addicts today but instead of being part of the problem, why don't you try being part of the solution. Do you think by running Teen Challenges out that you can step in and come up with a different plan throughout the nation to help those in need of hope, a roof over their head, a place to sleep, something more than a rotting sandwich from a garbage can,a second chance to avoid prison and enough compassion and forgiveness when you are spat on?
Let us know how that works out for you.

Since: Feb 08

Tri-cities area

#39 Feb 23, 2008
Lori wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi! It is a christian based 13 month military style school program for boys ages 11 to 18. It's for boys that are ADHD, on drugs/alcohol, in school troubloe, or just major home trouble. My son just graduated from there and we have a new son! It saved his life!! Look up West Florida Teen Challenge for more information.
Good for you. Our own Teen Challenge here in West Michigan and various churches help to support the West Florida Teen Challenge. If I recall, it's relatively new? I don't know if you read my recent post about the history of Teen Challenge, but it did originate from young adults and the big drug movement and such it the 60's and 70's.
What happened was that those young men turned into adults and fell back into bad habits and because Teen Challenge had such an impact on their lives, they returned for additional help. Our Teen Challenge houses no one under age of 18. It is filled to capacity. Yes, there are a few 50 and 60 year olds there and it is so sad to see them there. Most have Hep C from all the needles they used to shoot heroine back in the 60's and 70's. For many, it's a death sentence unless they can get clean. Many just need the hope that there is life after death.
I'm not sure of the rest of the nation, but we also have a women's center here.
I'm curious though, did you receive any help while your son was there? Please stay in touch and pay no never-mind to the ones who started this thread. They are still very sick but are in extreme denial.
Take care and God Bless.

“It's all about the money”

Since: Jul 07

Clovis, CA

#40 Feb 24, 2008
cheers 2u wrote:
<quoted text>Why don't you expand your 'research' and go back to when the first Teen Challenge opened and why. It's because it was originally centered around "teens" you idiot. Your probably too young to know anything about WOODSTOCK, Jimmy Hendix, LSD, pure Heroine, race riots, and the Pentacostal movement.
Maybe Teen Challenge is a little out of sync with the challenges that exist with addicts today but instead of being part of the problem, why don't you try being part of the solution. Do you think by running Teen Challenges out that you can step in and come up with a different plan throughout the nation to help those in need of hope, a roof over their head, a place to sleep, something more than a rotting sandwich from a garbage can,a second chance to avoid prison and enough compassion and forgiveness when you are spat on?
Let us know how that works out for you.
The man who started Teen Challenge, David Wilkerson, has not been associated with Teen Challenge since 1971. He began a new organization, World Challenge, that same year. He began Teen Challenge in 1958 because he was an ordained minister in a podunk Pennsylvania town (Philipsburg) who did not have a congregation, and starting what began as a street ministry brought this loser the attention that he so greatly coveted.

There is nothing that you can tell me about Teen Challenge that I do not already know. One of the primary rules of war is to know your enemy; I spent a lot of my free time during my year at Teen Challenge filling three spiral notebooks with information (they thought I was doing homework, and I was; just not the kind of homework they had in mind).

I certainly do remember Woodstock; I'll be fifty years old in May. I have a degree in English and scored 134 on my last IQ test. I'm returning to California State University, Fresno in August to complete my bachelor's degree in print journalism.

Please learn how to spell just a little bit better. "You're" is spelled like so; it is a contraction of "you are." Hendrix has an "r" in it, and heroin does not have an "e" on the end of it nor is it capitalized. Poor spelling and punctuation further weakens your already mediocre argument. I remember race riots - MLK was shot on a Thursday; my father was a California Highway Patrolman who was called that afternoon and told to be ready to go on duty in case there were riots (we lived in San Diego; there were none).

"A rotting sandwich from a garbage can"? My, aren't we melodramatic. The Salvation Army has been helping people in need since 1865; their rehabilitation centers are far superior to Teen Challenge facilities and they don't attempt to foist an illegitimate "success rate" on the public like this bizarre mutation of a state prison and a circus sideshow that calls itself Teen Challenge does.

I am part of the solution. Stay tuned.

Have a nice day.

Since: Feb 08

Tri-cities area

#41 Feb 24, 2008
TEEN CHALLENGE EXPOSED,

So you know it all about EVERY Teen Challenge in the country? That means you must have been to each facility. If you were not, then you cannot state facts, as the information you have is only 'hearsay'.
So you had 'free time' during the year you were there? That contradicts what you have said in the past.
Why is it that you claim to be so honest and truthful, but you cannot say why or how you ended up at T.C.? Afraid of exposing YOURSELF? Maybe I'll do a little investigation of my own and run a criminal background check on YOU! Do you thing your degree's and your 134 I.Q. will come up on your rap sheet? We're (we are) not impressed that you have brains, but obviously you weren't (were not) using them before you ended up in T.C.
I'm glad you found a Salvation Army that worked for you and didn't cost you a dime. You can thank me later for my tax dollars that helped foot your bill. So much for the separation of church and state.
The only funds T.C. receives from the state for the public service they provide is through food stamps and Medicaid. As a taxpayer, I don't have a problem with that. If it stops user's from abusing the system and my tax dollars from trading their stamps for drugs and Medicaid to scam a doctor, hospital or clinic to get prescription drugs, I'm all for it.
I'm surprised at 50 yrs old, this is not an issue for you unless you are still sucking the the taxpayers dry.
It's sad that you have to resort to pointing out others faults just to make your self look better. A good psychologist could help you with that. Sounds like 'daddy issues'. I hear that can happen to children of police officers. I'm sure you made your daddy proud when you ended up at T.C.
You are absolutely right about knowing your enemy. Look in the mirror. You are your own worst!!!

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