Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#8733 May 3, 2013
Ignores IO's bluster.

"Reid: We Really Need More Money for Obamacare -- "

"We're way past the "not one dime to the deficit" mirage and the manufactured CBO score games, so why not just rack up an even bigger tab? Here's the Senate Majority Leader trying to lay the Obamacare "train wreck" at the feet of a party that didn't cast a single vote for the law, in the context of demanding more funding for the multi-trillion-dollar behemoth:"

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) says he shares colleagues’ concerns that the Affordable Care Act could become a “train wreck” if it’s not implemented properly. Reid warned that people will not be able to choose health insurance plans on government health exchanges if federal authorities lack the resources to set them up and educate the public.“Max said unless we implement this properly it’s going to be a train wreck, and I agree with him,” Reid said, echoing a warning delivered last month by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.). Reid warned the federal government is not spending enough money to implement the law because of Republican opposition to ObamaCare.“Here’s what we have now, we have the menu but we don’t have any way to get to the menu,” Reid said.“The president is taking money — I wish we had the money just to do this on its own, but he’s agreed, he’s determined he’s going to take money from some of the other things that he feels are less important in the healthcare bill and put it on letting you and others know what’s in the bill,” Reid [said].

"Where to begin? First, notice how these problems are never, ever the fault of the disastrous law itself. No, it's always the Republicans' fault -- or the public's, for not properly understanding how great the new program really is. President Obama effectively advanced the latter argument at his Tuesday press conference: Ninety percent of you rubes are already enjoying the wonders of my munificence, even if you're too dense to realize it. Thus, now we're back to Democrats lamenting their inability to "tell better stories" or whatever, even though they've had the presidential bully pulpit for five years, and a generally pliant media running interference for them. We're informed that a law whose price tag has already doubled -- and is likely to rise even further -- requires additional taxpayer dollars to finance yet another PR campaign for itself. But weren't Obamacare's provisions going to convince us all, just as soon as it was fully implemented? Lower premiums! Reduced deficits! Cost curve down! Keep your plan! Plenty of doctors! None of that is actually happening, though, so the only conceivable solution is to appropriate more money to temporarily prop up public perceptions for awhile."

"Re-education" funds, as Kathleen Sebelius might call them. Nevertheless, no amount of slick advertising can erase what even elected Democrats and mainstream journalists can see with their own two eyes.(Part-time worker? Sorry, bud). Empirical results are almost irrelevant to the party of "science."
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#8734 May 3, 2013

"Case in point: A hot-off-the-presses landmark study on Medicaid, the results of which are devastating to government healthcare cheerleaders:"

"In 2008, Oregon expanded its Medicaid program, but because the state could not cover everybody, lawmakers opened up a lottery that randomly drew 30,000 names from a waiting list of almost 90,000 and allowed them to apply for the program. This created a unique opportunity for health researchers, ultimately allowing them to compare the health outcomes of 6,387 low-income adults who were able to enroll in the program with 5,842 who were not selected. Contrary to liberal assumptions, researchers found that those who enrolled in Medicaid spent a lot more on medical care than those who weren’t able to enroll, but didn’t significantly improve their health outcomes.

Specifically, researchers found that those who received Medicaid increased their annual health care spending by $1,172, or 35 percent more than those who did not receive Medicaid. Those with Medicaid were more likely to be screened for diabetes and use diabetes medication and to make use of other preventive care measures. The study also examined health metrics including blood pressure and cholesterol. Ultimately, the authors concluded that,“This randomized, controlled study showed that Medicaid coverage generated no significant improvements in measured health outcomes in the first two years..."

"In a sane political world populated by quasi-rational actors, this research would be a true game-changer. Here we have solid, methodologically-sound evidence that an enormously expensive government program -- Medicaid -- is failing to improve health outcomes for low income Americans, compared to being uninsured. Which is the entire point of the program. It turns out that Medicaid recipients also aren't cutting down on hospital and emergency room visits, another favored talking point for universal coverage. The primary difference between beneficiaries and their uninsured counterparts is that the former group uses healthcare services more, thus raising expenditures. One of this study's co-authors just happens to be a key designer of Obamacare (MIT's Jon Gruber), so this can't be written off some right-wing hatchet job, either."

"The new program Gruber helped create calls for the massive expansion (by 11 million people) of an old program that Gruber has now determined doesn't work. Ta-da! Liberal activists and journalists, meanwhile, are feverishly churning out copy to distort the results and salvage what they can from this catastrophic blow. Be sure to check out Avik Roy's must-read piece that methodically rebuts apologists' straw-grasping. But will this data earthquake impact actual policy one wit? "
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#8735 May 3, 2013
"I'm afraid Allahpundit may be right:

Righty wonks are treating this like a bombshell insofar as it might halt Democratic efforts to expand Medicaid under ObamaCare, but I don’t know. It might give confidence to Republicans in purple states, but the blue states will plow ahead. If they did ten more studies confirming this result, those would all be spun away too. This is an “identity” issue for Democrats — they’ll fight to protect the welfare state, whether it works or not, whether we can afford it or not — and as with abortion (or guns on the right), they won’t cede an inch on “slippery slope” grounds. Even if they were convinced that Medicaid isn’t worth the expense, they won’t relinquish a key political bludgeon against the right. Celebrate the result as a win for truth, but not because policy’s likely to shift dramatically."

"Ultimately, the "party of ideas" is about one idea: Statism. The inefficacy of government programs -- no matter how thoroughly demonstrated -- simply isn't enough to pull the plug (eg: Head Start, the unkillable federal Helium Project, etc). Which is why it'll be full speed ahead on Medicaid expansion in blue (and some red) states, amidst calls to spend millions more on applying lipstick to the Obamacare pig. It's for our own good, you see; we just don't understand well enough yet."
Informed Opinion

United States

#8736 May 3, 2013
Bored wrote:
Ignores IO's bluster.

"Reid: We Really Need More Money for Obamacare -- "

"We're way past the "not one dime to the deficit" mirage and the manufactured CBO score games, so why not just rack up an even bigger tab? Here's the Senate Majority Leader trying to lay the Obamacare "train wreck" at the feet of a party that didn't cast a single vote for the law, in the context of demanding more funding for the multi-trillion-dollar behemoth:"

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) says he shares colleagues’ concerns that the Affordable Care Act could become a “train wreck” if it’s not implemented properly. Reid warned that people will not be able to choose health insurance plans on government health exchanges if federal authorities lack the resources to set them up and educate the public.“Max said unless we implement this properly it’s going to be a train wreck, and I agree with him,” Reid said, echoing a warning delivered last month by Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus (D-Mont.). Reid warned the federal government is not spending enough money to implement the law because of Republican opposition to ObamaCare.“Here’s what we have now, we have the menu but we don’t have any way to get to the menu,” Reid said.“The president is taking money — I wish we had the money just to do this on its own, but he’s agreed, he’s determined he’s going to take money from some of the other things that he feels are less important in the healthcare bill and put it on letting you and others know what’s in the bill,” Reid [said].

"Where to begin? First, notice how these problems are never, ever the fault of the disastrous law itself. No, it's always the Republicans' fault -- or the public's, for not properly understanding how great the new program really is. President Obama effectively advanced the latter argument at his Tuesday press conference: Ninety percent of you rubes are already enjoying the wonders of my munificence, even if you're too dense to realize it. Thus, now we're back to Democrats lamenting their inability to "tell better stories" or whatever, even though they've had the presidential bully pulpit for five years, and a generally pliant media running interference for them. We're informed that a law whose price tag has already doubled -- and is likely to rise even further -- requires additional taxpayer dollars to finance yet another PR campaign for itself. But weren't Obamacare's provisions going to convince us all, just as soon as it was fully implemented? Lower premiums! Reduced deficits! Cost curve down! Keep your plan! Plenty of doctors! None of that is actually happening, though, so the only conceivable solution is to appropriate more money to temporarily prop up public perceptions for awhile."

"Re-education" funds, as Kathleen Sebelius might call them. Nevertheless, no amount of slick advertising can erase what even elected Democrats and mainstream journalists can see with their own two eyes.(Part-time worker? Sorry, bud). Empirical results are almost irrelevant to the party of "science."
Wow - 7,000 words to avoid the question.

Bush and his Right Wing Wackos turned a budget surplus into a 1.4 Trillion Dollar Deficit.

Obama and the Normal Folks reduced Bush's $1.4 Trillion Dollar deficit by $600 Billion a year.

Which is better - Bush creating $1.4 Trillion Dollar Deficit - or Obama cutting Bush's deficit almost in half ?

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8737 May 3, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>He was hooked up with Bin Laden's family. You can't tell me he didn't know about the crazy brother in the mountains planning to wax our a$$es. I don't know how ya'll do it in the big city, but down here if you brother kills one of ours and we can't find the brother. Then we go after the family. Not give them a plane ticket to get out of here. Politics in the period of time your questioning is altered by war.
If you SERIOUSLY believe that, there is no help for you. What is your proof that he knew where Bin Laden was and didn't want to kill him because of money?

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8738 May 3, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Great post.
Too bad it's another example of illogical thinking that those incapable of logical thinking can never appreciate.
Oh, no. I SAID if you are going to give Obama credit for Bin Laden, then he gets credit for the killings in Benghazi. You libs are the ones who have the screwed up thinking on that matter. YOU LIBS are the illogical ones.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8739 May 3, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Great post.
If Right Wingers were capable of shame, imagine how embarrassed they'd be that their Right Wing Wacko leader Newt (I cheat on ally wives Gingrich), was cheating on his wife, while utilizing the entire power of the United States to impeach a Clinton for getting a little on the side.
Typical Right Wingers - sex obsessed addicts "protecting" America from the "immoral".
It doesn't matter, Right Wingers make no moral demands on themselves or their leaders.
Newt wasn't president. Newt didn't go on national TV and look squarely into the camera and LIE and THEN had to go back in front of the camera AGAIN and tell the truth. "A little on the side". THAT'S how you refer to the President of the United States having "Clinton sex" in the oval office???? That is a PERFECT example of the twisted, screwed up thinking of a liberal socialist commie. You have absolutely NO cred.
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#8740 May 3, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow - 7,000 words to avoid the question.
Bush and his Right Wing Wackos turned a budget surplus into a 1.4 Trillion Dollar Deficit.
Obama and the Normal Folks reduced Bush's $1.4 Trillion Dollar deficit by $600 Billion a year.
Which is better - Bush creating $1.4 Trillion Dollar Deficit - or Obama cutting Bush's deficit almost in half ?
That's not a question, that is a lie, prove your numbers with valid links or just run along and play with yourself.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8741 May 3, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Who were the business partners and long time friends of Bush and the Texas oil gang ?- the bin Ladens.
Who did Bush order "escorted" safely from US on 09/11 ?- the bin Ladens.
Who did Bush order be ignored on Tora Bora when he was located there ?- bin Laden.
What Arab royal family donated millions to the Bush library and Bush selected charities, and remains business partners and friends with the Bushes ?- the bin Ladens.
Wow - you think that Bush every intended to kill the family member of his close friends and business partners, especially when he used American assets to protect them ?
Yea. Right.
Okay. Using YOUR "logic", that makes Obama a card carrying communist. One of his mentors was Bill Ayers of the Weather Underground. That proves that Obama and his empress DO hate white people. Rev. Wright was an Obama mentor and officiate at the Obama's wedding. AND let us not forget Michelle's thesis. I only read the first 16 pages or so, but it is CLEAR where she stands on the white race. That means Obama is a corrupt Chicago thug. This is fun. I can go on and on. There is NO difference. If Bush is guilty by association, then so is your hero. Don't even bother. You've LOST this one, partner.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8742 May 3, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
I love Right Wing debating techniques.
You're is so stupid you think Grape Nuts is an STD.
I win !!!
This was a test and YOU FAILED. It's interesting that EVERY SINGLE TIME I have posted TROLL to CN, YOU have come back in defense. Coincidence? I think not.

You defend "his" (your) vile, stupid posts and anyone other than your liberal socialist commies are supposed to take you seriously???? What a laugh.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8743 May 3, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>Well it depends. If a man falls weak to beautiful woman well that is natural. It may have been a mistake, but a natural mistake. Women are the most beautiful creation made by God. It's natural to slip up. Now if your a queer and get caught. I think you should be run out town.
OMTE, you have just gravely disappointed your liberal socialist commie friends on this forum.
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#8744 May 3, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
OMTE, you have just gravely disappointed your liberal socialist commie friends on this forum.
OMTE would be the first one to go when the socialist finally get total power.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8745 May 3, 2013
Bored wrote:
Another crack in Obamacare.
"Schumer Admits Health Insurance Premiums Have Increased "Because Of Obamacare"
Good luck getting a response about Obamascare from the liberal socialist commies. I have posted two or three dam*ing articles about Obamascare in the past couple of days and........nothing. That's how they handle business. Cracks me up.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8746 May 3, 2013
Bored wrote:
"Obama sings Mexico's praises, but some Mexicans hear flat notes."
"After President Obama’s upbeat speech in Mexico on Friday, many in attendance said they were flattered by the description of their country, but others said they hardly recognized the place he had just described.
“[That was] a really good speech by President Obama, but what Mexico was he talking about?” said Jose Carlos Cruz, 24, a graduate student in international relations.“Unfortunately in our country, the situation is terrible: There’s poverty, unemployment, and even worse, the future is anything but promising.
“How nice that he came to give inspiring speeches, but what’s happening in Mexico is far from what he talked about today,” Cruz said.
Alberto Rios Lara, 26, who is studying to be an economist, said:“Obama is a great speaker — it’s really impossible not to feel excited. However, the reality is different in Mexico. We need more action and fewer speeches.”
"we need more action and fewer speeches."
We conservatives have been saying the same thing going on 5 years, "A Little Less Talk And A Lot More Action" is a song title that applies to Obama.
The man has buffaloed the un-informed, the less intelligent, and the emotionally unstable.
Great post. Even the Mexicans are tired Obama's lies. Obama = empty suit. I honestly don't understand how ANYONE can believe in that guy. He has made lying an art form.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8747 May 3, 2013
columbus native wrote:
You know things are going pretty well when you see these republicans piss and moan like sick dogs. I would'nt vote for a republican no matter who is running against them. It's their party and worship of the wealthy no matter who they elect. I'll say anything I want about reptile bush, this SOB permenately damaged my country and Obama sure as hell is better than romney any day. Can't get these stupid beatdown republicans to answer some simple questions about their defeated party just mindless shatter like TROLL. Now that makes me all the more happy I voted for Obama. These republicans are a danger to our country and don't have the brains God gave a jackass.But it's their nerves on edge for a change and not mine and if forced to I will vote for Hillary.
BRAINLESS TROLL
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#8748 May 3, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
Good luck getting a response about Obamascare from the liberal socialist commies. I have posted two or three dam*ing articles about Obamascare in the past couple of days and........nothing. That's how they handle business. Cracks me up.

They are running away just like all the elected democraps, trying to find some way to lay blame on the repubs. They have abandoned Obama.

It'll take some time for their socialists website to crank up a number of lies and then our local libtard posters will again feel they are back in control. When they feel good is when their left side brain is in control. Right now their left side is tumbling round and round without directions(a direct result of a lobotomy). Libtards need directions or they are just plain lost in a wilderness.

They are still searching for directions here on topix and keep getting conflicting info from each other because their web links are conflicting. Watching them is kind of pathetic, sort of like watching a few cats thrown in a bag together.


“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8749 May 3, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
Back to Alex Jones Info Wars?
http://www.infowars.com/they-are-murdering-sm...
Do you remember just a few days ago we proved that this was not even remotely accurate news?
Pathetic. You're a junkie for fake, false information.
Sure it's accurate. It doesn't support the liberal socialist commie mentality, but it's accurate. You've worn out your line questioning all souces that don't agree with yours. You won't comment about the articles I have SPECIFICALLY asked you about. The source? Wall Street Journal

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8750 May 3, 2013
columbus native wrote:
Thanks to FDR for Social Security. Got mine check today and thanks to presidents like Obama who preserve the program. Now republicans would have you believe that social security and those who paid it in for 40 years are the deficit problem. Huge overpriced military products along with wars like Iraq are mainly why we are where we are today. But don't pay attention to these fools and trolls they are just mad they could'nt privatize it and could'nt get us to pay for romneys 2 trillion plus navy that was to make him and a few other insiders trillions on our credit card. At the end of the day they lost and won't be a threat to our great country for atleast 3 and half plus years! I love to hear how pissed they are, serves them right.Dum ass trolls!
WHINY TROLL
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#8751 May 3, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
OMTE, you have just gravely disappointed your liberal socialist commie friends on this forum.
I could care less. I have seen none of you that I agree with 100%. I don't say things to make friends. This is how I feel. I enjoy to read intelligent posts by intelligent people even if I don't agree with them. I like CB the best and Ag is a close second in intelligence in my opinion. I love women. If that disappoints them then they're probaly fa**ots. I don't hate queers, but I like Bill Dville better than them if that tell you anything.

“Liberals are closet raaacists!”

Since: Nov 08

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#8752 May 3, 2013
columbus native wrote:
Get used to it, he's there for 3 and a half more years and there is'nt anything you can do about it.
Neither can you, TROLL. lol

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