OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#8663 May 3, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
No straw man on my side, this was your post:
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"No that means that the purpose of the business is to make money:
- through any means possible,
- externalizing all costs onto the taxpayers, neighbors, and/or customers,
- with no concern for pollution, injury, and damages they create,
- paying the absolute minimum in wages.
That is the purpose of a business.
That means you have to regulate businesses as the amoral entities they are.
Nothing wrong with businesses - they are just amoral entities designed to maximize profit and avoid personal responsibilities for the owners. "
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"through any means possible"
"with no concern"
"paying the absolute minimum in wages"
"businesses the amoral entities they are"
"they are just amoral entities"
Except that a business is not sentient and makes none of those decisions - the people who run the businesses make those decisions. Consequently, you should have qualified your statement that SOME business owners may act in the above mentioned ways. But you said "you have to regulate businesses as the amoral entities they are" which translates to "you have to regulate business owners as the amoral entities they are" - if you didn't mean it, you shouldn't have said it. Just saying.
Moral starts with the business owners. There was a code that was enforced in the past that protected the employee and in return the employees took care of the business. This FREE trade sh*t and deregulation has screwed this country. Couple that with a wave of mexicans and our wages have went back 20 years. Greed will make anyone stray from what's right. There has to be rules to business even in a recession. If not, a few get rich and the rest of us starve. Rich people kill their kids and sponses for insurance money. Do you think they would hesitate to poison a small community in Georgia? I don't. If the business owners would stop hiring illegal aliens then there would be more jobs for Americans. The business owners are the backbone of this country, but are not to be trusted. Not because they are bad people, but because they are human.
Informed Opinion

Hollywood, FL

#8664 May 3, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>You have resorted to a strawman argument.

Nope, the post never said ALL business owners are amoral, the post said that business, by its very nature, is amoral. Unfortunatley, history has shown that a percentage of people will follow the path of least reisitence without regard for their neighbor next door, down stream, or down wind.

To temper the inherent amorality of business people act collectively, through government, to impose limits on business. Many times these limits, or regulations, internalize the cost of doing business thus effecting the potential profits of a business.

Whether it's the cost of exit doors that are unlocked and open outward, or the cost of locating a fertizler plant away from a populated area, business would much prefer not to incur these costs as they are a direct drain on profits.
Great post.

Rational, articulate and well-reasoned.

Since: Nov 08

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#8665 May 3, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
So a bunch of terrorists killed people at our embassy. Everybody is in agreement on that. It wasn't Obama that did it. So why the fixation?
Is it because the initial news that was released while details and analysis were still happening wasn't perfectly accurate?
Since when did Republicans require accuracy from their news?
Get over Benghazi? And then THIS POST???? I am shocked at you. You truly are sick. You can make such arrogant statements and call yourself an American. Astounding. The maddening thing is if a conservative had been in office and Benghazi occurred, you liberal socialist commies would be shooting people down in the streets. Your statements about Behghazi just to protect that scum of a president we have is lower than I ever thought you would go.
As for your last sentence, everyone knows how accurate and popular MSNBC is. Hanging on by its fingernails.
FickleDillPickle

Valdosta, GA

#8666 May 3, 2013
Paul Broun to replace Saxby.

Since: Nov 08

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#8667 May 3, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
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They just can't admit that because Bush was a Right Wing Wacko's dream president.
- he started lunatic, unfunded, and illegal wars,
- he cut taxes for the richest,
- he exploded War Department spending,
- he "privatized" war making using mercenary companies,
- he cut programs for average Americans,
- he signed Medicare Part D, knowing it cost hundreds of billions more than admitted - while claiming to be fiscally conservative,
- he doubled the national debt,
- he deregulated business, especially banks,causing economic calamities,
- he caused the greatest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the ├╝berrich in modern history,
- he took a budget surplus to a 1.4 Trillion Dollar annual deficit, and
- he created the largest most devastating recession since the Great Depression.
If they admit those facts - they admit Right Wing Wacko policies, especially economic policies, are complete disasters when implemented.
Human nature being as it is - they'll never admit what's obvious to the rest of us.
What has Obama done?

Since: Nov 08

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#8668 May 3, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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It's really a shame that Obama went over there and killed those men. Oh wait! He didn't. It was radical extremists trying to bring America down. Now the Republicans are on their side - helping to tear America down. McCain wanted to make it an issue because he needed a Committee job. He suckered right-wing conspirator nuts to help him.
Get over your Benghazi fixation. It's something that happened TO America, not committed BY America.
Did Obama go over and kill bin Laden? You libs say HE killed bin Laden. It happened on his watch. Just like Benghazi. It happened on his watch. Double standard? YES.

Since: Nov 08

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#8669 May 3, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
<quoted text>
So a bunch of terrorists killed people at our embassy. Everybody is in agreement on that. It wasn't Obama that did it. So why the fixation?
Is it because the initial news that was released while details and analysis were still happening wasn't perfectly accurate?
Since when did Republicans require accuracy from their news?
The blame being placed on the video was INITIAL NEWS?????? You are insane. That blame went on and on and on. The WH video SCAM went on until it just didn't work anymore. Your lockstepping is not very flattering to your mentality. I am beginning to think you wouldn't know truth if it slapped you upside your head.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#8670 May 3, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
What has Obama done?
He help stop or slow this country down from going into another Great depression. He helped track down Bin Laden. Then had the balls to order someone to pull the trigger and blow his brain out. He helped save the american auto industry. He has given millions hope that things will change and get better. Including myself. I can go on, but this all I got off the top of my head.

Since: Nov 08

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#8671 May 3, 2013
ChicknButt wrote:
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On September 12th I watched Obama's briefing and he called it an attack. It's there in the transcripts.
Romney himself claimed he would politicize it, and did. McCain fed fuel onto that in an effort to create a new committee position.
This is just a Republican witch-hunt.
You just HAVE to get your head out of the liberal abyss. Obama lied and lied and lied until it just didn't work anymore. NOW he is lying again and guess what? You and the rest of his minions are doing EXACTLY what he knew you would do. He knows he can lie for as long as it lasts and you Obamabots will sing his praises. It's crazy. I just shake my head and laugh at you idiots.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#8672 May 3, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
No straw man on my side, this was your post:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
"No that means that the purpose of the business is to make money:
- through any means possible,
- externalizing all costs onto the taxpayers, neighbors, and/or customers,
- with no concern for pollution, injury, and damages they create,
- paying the absolute minimum in wages.
That is the purpose of a business.
That means you have to regulate businesses as the amoral entities they are.
Nothing wrong with businesses - they are just amoral entities designed to maximize profit and avoid personal responsibilities for the owners. "
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Except that a business is not sentient and makes none of those decisions - the people who run the businesses make those decisions. Consequently, you should have qualified your statement that SOME business owners may act in the above mentioned ways. But you said "you have to regulate businesses as the amoral entities they are" which translates to "you have to regulate business owners as the amoral entities they are" - if you didn't mean it, you shouldn't have said it. Just saying.
Nope, it is you who introduced the strawman of "ALL business owners".

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Oh, yes, of course, because in the minds of the Left ALL business owners:

I can not control how you translate what you read, but the fact remains that business is regulated because people have acted collectively to curb the inherent amorality of the nonsentient entity know as business. If a business burns coal then that business is regualted as to how it burns coal, and what it can do with the residue. People run the business, but it is the business that is regulated

Perhaps Libertarian Philosophy is the source of your mis-translation.

Since: Nov 08

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#8673 May 3, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>He help stop or slow this country down from going into another Great depression. He helped track down Bin Laden. Then had the balls to order someone to pull the trigger and blow his brain out. He helped save the american auto industry. He has given millions hope that things will change and get better. Including myself. I can go on, but this all I got off the top of my head.
He hasn't slowed anything down. Hopefully we've bottomed out, but who knows? The joblessness is not moving again this time. People who have given up looking for a job aren't counted. The media makes it SOUND better than what the numbers show.

He didn't track down Bin Laden. That was already in place. The military found him and killed him. It HAPPENED on Obama's watch, he gave the order,but he didn't do it. If someone else had been president, it would have happened on his/her watch. Obama didn't do it. If you think he did, then he also "did" Benghazi. You can't pick and choose.

He gave the industry a major bailout that we are paying for. The auto industry had already been given one bailout. Obama was a follow up. I didn't support it and still don't. It's not over. We have HUGE seemingly insurmountable debt. You can rave about the bailouts, but you are paying for them. They aren't free. Obama was supposesd to cut the debt in half during his first term. LIE.

Where is the hope? Nothing has happened. Hope isn't going to put food on your table. It's not going to pay your mortgage. HOPE? Good grief. Wait until Obamacare is fully enforced. You'll feel HOPE-LESS.
Can you come up with anything else? Something that is REALLY helping.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#8674 May 3, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
He hasn't slowed anything down. Hopefully we've bottomed out, but who knows? The joblessness is not moving again this time. People who have given up looking for a job aren't counted. The media makes it SOUND better than what the numbers show.
He didn't track down Bin Laden. That was already in place. The military found him and killed him. It HAPPENED on Obama's watch, he gave the order,but he didn't do it. If someone else had been president, it would have happened on his/her watch. Obama didn't do it. If you think he did, then he also "did" Benghazi. You can't pick and choose.
He gave the industry a major bailout that we are paying for. The auto industry had already been given one bailout. Obama was a follow up. I didn't support it and still don't. It's not over. We have HUGE seemingly insurmountable debt. You can rave about the bailouts, but you are paying for them. They aren't free. Obama was supposesd to cut the debt in half during his first term. LIE.
Where is the hope? Nothing has happened. Hope isn't going to put food on your table. It's not going to pay your mortgage. HOPE? Good grief. Wait until Obamacare is fully enforced. You'll feel HOPE-LESS.
Can you come up with anything else? Something that is REALLY helping.
Bush had him tracked down years ago and fell to pull the trigger on his partner in crime. Which in turn caused the death of our best and most trusted ally. If your into believing you have no control over what is already set in motion. Then you believe the debt we are facing are because of factors already in motion when Obama took office. It doesn't matter who took office they inherited a mess. This best we could hope for is our new leader not to panic and to show poise and I believe he has. Did you want our auto industry to fall? You must be partial to hondas. I'm a mopar man myself. You better pray the poor doesn't lose hope. There is nothing more dangerous than a man with no hope.
Columbus Native

Oklahoma City, OK

#8675 May 3, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>He help stop or slow this country down from going into another Great depression. He helped track down Bin Laden. Then had the balls to order someone to pull the trigger and blow his brain out. He helped save the american auto industry. He has given millions hope that things will change and get better. Including myself. I can go on, but this all I got off the top of my head.
Very good points indeed. bush had no desire to find Bin Laden after he and cheney deceived us into a costly no-win war. These human reptiles got millions of blood money dollars and that was their main goal. These republicans will never give Obama the credit he deserves. Just be sure and keep this in mind come next election time!
Columbus Native

Oklahoma City, OK

#8676 May 3, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly, THANK YOU - a terrorist act was visited UPON Americans by Islamic radicals, not because of a video virtually no one even saw.
The greatest most harmful terrorist act upon America was the election of bush/cheney. It's scary to live in a country where approx. 25% of the population still think bush was ok.
Columbus Native

Oklahoma City, OK

#8677 May 3, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
Bush took and has taken responsibility. Obama is a lying dog who refuses to take ANY responsibility...as usual. How about the soldiers who are STILL dying in the middle east? Any comment? Are their lives not as important as the others who died under Bush's watch? Oh, that's right. It's Obama's watch, so they AREN'T as important. Where is YOUR outrage about those soldiers? Benghazi? You CONVENIENTLY never mention those men and women. Disgusting.
When has this monster ever taken responsibility for anything. This timid coward is so hated by most Americans he won't get out in the public and be seen. He should be hung like Saddam.
Columbus Native

Oklahoma City, OK

#8678 May 3, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>Bush had him tracked down years ago and fell to pull the trigger on his partner in crime. Which in turn caused the death of our best and most trusted ally. If your into believing you have no control over what is already set in motion. Then you believe the debt we are facing are because of factors already in motion when Obama took office. It doesn't matter who took office they inherited a mess. This best we could hope for is our new leader not to panic and to show poise and I believe he has. Did you want our auto industry to fall? You must be partial to hondas. I'm a mopar man myself. You better pray the poor doesn't lose hope. There is nothing more dangerous than a man with no hope.
You tell him OMTE. Then go out in your backyard and talk to the family dog, there more hope for the dog than these desperate republicans.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#8679 May 3, 2013
Columbus Native wrote:
<quoted text>The greatest most harmful terrorist act upon America was the election of bush/cheney. It's scary to live in a country where approx. 25% of the population still think bush was ok.
What's scary is this guy is walking around free, while they impeached Clinton for getting some head. It really shows me that the deck is stacked and for some there are no limits. That relly bothered me coming up, but now I just hope I don't turn into them.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#8680 May 3, 2013
Columbus Native wrote:
<quoted text>When has this monster ever taken responsibility for anything. This timid coward is so hated by most Americans he won't get out in the public and be seen. He should be hung like Saddam.
You can't say sh*t like that. Cussing is one thing, but when you say you want a president to die. You're asking for them folks to come knocking to see about your a$$. Think it's a game and they'll label you as terrorist and you'll really have no rights. They'll hide your a$$ and no one but your family will miss you.

Since: Nov 08

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#8681 May 3, 2013
OMTE wrote:
<quoted text>Bush had him tracked down years ago and fell to pull the trigger on his partner in crime. Which in turn caused the death of our best and most trusted ally. If your into believing you have no control over what is already set in motion. Then you believe the debt we are facing are because of factors already in motion when Obama took office. It doesn't matter who took office they inherited a mess. This best we could hope for is our new leader not to panic and to show poise and I believe he has. Did you want our auto industry to fall? You must be partial to hondas. I'm a mopar man myself. You better pray the poor doesn't lose hope. There is nothing more dangerous than a man with no hope.
His partner in crime???? Unbelievable. I have one question for you. Do you HONESTLY believe that Bush partnered with Bin Laden?

What about the increase in debt? Did that happen on Bush's watch, too? How about the democrat congress that Bush had his last two years? Any problem there?
How about the democrat congress Obama had his first two years? What did they accomplish?

So, you are giving Obama a total and unquestioned pass? We have MORE debt, thanks to Obama, AND Obamacare isn't funded. What's going to happen, OMTE? Just print more money?

YOU had better hope the middle class and wealthy don't lose hope. Thank about it.

Since: Nov 08

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#8682 May 3, 2013
..."think" about it.^

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