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Man in Plaid wrote:
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It will take some doing to impose term limits with legislation. Expecting a group of politicians who have no intentions of surrendering their power to pass such a law would be like asking a group of kids to trade their candy for brussel sprouts at snack time. Who cares if the unhealthy option will cause harm in the long term when you can't see past the present?
Good point.

I think another thought provoking question/point is:

How do we get "qualified" people to run for political office? The way Herman Cain was abused last summer (no idea if the accusations were true or not, nor do I care) would make anyone reluctant, I think, to run for office.

IMHO, it takes a certain flamboyance (maybe not the best word) and a certain almost arrogance to run for office, to try to make people think you're the best suited person for the position to decide laws and impact the live of most everyone else. It's not like you're interviewing for a position where you try to show you're the best candidate...

My point is, we don't always get the "best and the brightest" running for political office. Example: the goof that think Guam will tip over if too many people are sent there. There are MANY others, on both sides of the aisle, but I think my point is made.

That being said, maybe it's supposed to be that way, so we have a cross section of the population in DC...
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Mar 27, 2013
 
Bill in Dville wrote:
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Good point.
I think another thought provoking question/point is:
How do we get "qualified" people to run for political office? The way Herman Cain was abused last summer (no idea if the accusations were true or not, nor do I care) would make anyone reluctant, I think, to run for office.
IMHO, it takes a certain flamboyance (maybe not the best word) and a certain almost arrogance to run for office, to try to make people think you're the best suited person for the position to decide laws and impact the live of most everyone else. It's not like you're interviewing for a position where you try to show you're the best candidate...
My point is, we don't always get the "best and the brightest" running for political office. Example: the goof that think Guam will tip over if too many people are sent there. There are MANY others, on both sides of the aisle, but I think my point is made.
That being said, maybe it's supposed to be that way, so we have a cross section of the population in DC...
The Guam comment came from an elected Ga. politician, how embarassing. The likes of Maxine Walters & her communist agenda, Jesse Jackdon Jr. stating another chapter should be added to the Bible in honor of Obama...say what? Wasn't an undeserved Nobel peace price enough?... The corrupted governors stepping down, seemingly so, one after the other. John Edwards was a ruthless, heartless liar through & through. Weiner and the others sexting idiots. I'm in disbelief how these people gain so much power. Or does the crazy boldness, dysfunctional side just stay hidden until elected. America is in dire straits. Who can save us. It's certainly not Obama & this administration. I'm worried for us.$20 trillion debt by the end of this term is reaching a point of no return. I'm panicking, not so much for myself, more for our young adults and little ones.
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Informed Opinion wrote:
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Damn do Right Wingers love to be afraid. Having been scared to death Saddam Hussein was going to send missiles to Sheboygan, Wisconsin, and dragging us into a $6,000,000,000,000.00 debacle, we are now supposed to fear "Socialism".
The boogeymen never stop on Right Wing Planet.
What a shame American education has deteriorated to the point where the differences between capitalism, socialism, and communism and the continuum existing between and linking them, is so difficult for so many to grasp.
If you truly are a capitalist in its pure form, you want America to duplicate Somalia, or Syria, or Lebanon, where government, for all practical purposes, cannot regulate private property or its use.
True Capitalism means:
- No Social Security
- No Medicare
- No V.A.
- No TVA
- No public hospitals
- No public schools
- No police departments
- No public libraries
- No employment laws
- No Anti-Trust laws
- No banking regulations
- No gov't insured banks
- No fraud laws
- No public roads
- No public schools
- No child protection laws
- No anti-corruption laws
- No firearms laws at all
- No vehicle safety laws
- No food safety laws
- No medicine safety laws
And 1000's of other laws that protect the powerless from the powerful.
This inevitably leads to tyranny by oligarchies.
Pure Communism means:
The "people", a/k/a the "Party Elite own all means of production and completely control all economic transactions.
This inevitably leads to tyranny by the party elite.
Mixed Exonomy:
If you support regulated capitalism, or capitalist socialism, you support America - a mixed economy regulated capitalism with social programs asserted to promote the general welfare somewhere in between the two extremes of pure Capitalism and pure Communism.
Moderates, Progressives, and all reasonably intelligent persons understand only countries utilizing mixed economies have avoided tyranny by either the political elite or the oligarchy.
History is a great teacher.
Great Post! Anytime you see mad upset republicans you know things are going well for the 67% of we voters who are not republican. I just get soo happy to see them so mad.
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Glorya wrote:
<quoted text> The Guam comment came from an elected Ga. politician, how embarassing. The likes of Maxine Walters & her communist agenda, Jesse Jackdon Jr. stating another chapter should be added to the Bible in honor of Obama...say what? Wasn't an undeserved Nobel peace price enough?... The corrupted governors stepping down, seemingly so, one after the other. John Edwards was a ruthless, heartless liar through & through. Weiner and the others sexting idiots. I'm in disbelief how these people gain so much power. Or does the crazy boldness, dysfunctional side just stay hidden until elected. America is in dire straits. Who can save us. It's certainly not Obama & this administration. I'm worried for us.$20 trillion debt by the end of this term is reaching a point of no return. I'm panicking, not so much for myself, more for our young adults and little ones.
You won't get any relief from these damn republicans either, in fact things would be worse!
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Glorya wrote:
Term limits is the answer... how do we get there? We know what needs to be done. How do we ever influence politicians into making it LAW? I guess what I'm asking, will it ever happen?
Yes term limits? Remember Gingrigh and his contract to America. Well he waffled on the term limits part because according to him" Our constituates believe we(republicans) are doing such a good job that we hate to put you out after 8 years. He excused himself and the rest of Congress which was republican 1994-2001 so he could stay on indefineately. Lying scumbag hypocrite and his adultress lifestlye.
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Well while the great republicans on this post stew, jerk, and whine, I will enjoy the next 3 years 10 months knowing that they are so upset. Get my government check next wednesday for which I have been paying into the system for 45 years, and knowing f-up republicans will not be able to Euthanize( Privatize) the system. Thanks again to our president who will see to it we are covered under Medicare and Medicaid. Also I am expecting a slight Cost Of Living pay increase next January. Now about mitt and his b-tch wishing they could of had a chance at America's financial wealth? Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.
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Mar 27, 2013
 
I'm SAD & embarassed. Why waste my days being mad, when I have very little or no control over politicians. I can't save the world. I'm not a republican, I'm not a democrat. As I've said 100x, I've refused to associate myself with either party for many, many years. My home is almost paid for, I'm not high maintenance, not shaking in my shoes nor biting my nails. I'm not a doomsday prepper. I do worry, we are beyond the point of no return, the death spiral. So don't tell me what I am, or what I'm afraid of. Speak for yourselves. I can't read your mind and you can't read mine. I actually love life, not so much the sad state America is in. I actually make the most of life. And would like to see things improve, want to believe they will, I just don't see it happening.
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Mar 27, 2013
 
You'll be wasting ya time taking joy in my pain. What pain? You ain't got a clue. My overhead is low, I live way below my means. Thank goodness, not in debt. Life is good. So you'd be wasting time even think I'm whining & stewing. I have a life and do not depend on the government. You must have me confused with someone else, native from columbus.

Good grief, I certainly don't worry about you, why in the heck, would I even think about you for 1/2 a second? Much less worry? Never, not in my lifetime.

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Columbus Native wrote:
<quoted text>Great Post! Anytime you see mad upset republicans you know things are going well for the 67% of we voters who are not republican. I just get soo happy to see them so mad.
67%? Ur math is as stupid as ur comments.

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Well, Columbus Native is still mostly full of nonsense, I see.
- 67% non Republican? Than how did Romney get 48% of the vote - surprise, surprise, your numbers don't add up

- However, you are absolutely right that Gingrich let the 1994 incoming freshman Republicans down when he backed a 12 year term limit plan that went nowhere, instead of the 6-8 year limit that they wanted. Can't argue with you there.

- Don't worry about Republicans "euthanizing" "the system", worry more about Democrats pushing euthanasia for the elderly - that is far more likely. Remember Obama's suggestion for the 100 year old woman whose doctor said her only hope was a pacemaker that "maybe she would be better off taking a pain killer."

- so explain your vulgar comment about Mrs. Romney who from all appearances is a woman of character and grace who raised 5 sons. The Romneys gave away in charity far more than the Clintons, Gores, Bidens, and Obamas combined. Democrats are the ones who come into office with nothing and than parlay it into millions.

So am I mad, yes. I am mad that 51% of those that voted were too uninformed or too partisan to realize the disaster that putting Obama back in office could be for this country.
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In response to Bill and Glorya,

I believe that one reason for the immoral behavior of some elected officials arises from the scripted nature of their lives. Once they begin to campaign for a major office, they are groomed to appear a certain way. A team of speech writers create talking-points-based texts for them to read that ensures that they will say the right thing to the right audiences. Their campaign writers amp up their biography to make them appear as nearly superhuman figures, and this hyperbole is a must because they all must confront the task of overcoming and eradicating the evil perpetrated by the current officeholder. And of course, their elections are described as epic exertions of the undeniable voice of the people who cried out in despair to the gods of democracy, and said gods delivered in the form of the semi-divine politician who shall lead the bitterly oppressed, or the merely irritated, to a state of unimaginable liberty.

Imagine being such a person. Hearing such overblown rhetoric and playing such a role over the course of an eighteen month campaign would have a way of working on one's self image. As a result, some officials embrace the caricature of the mythic leader who transcends the laws of reality and society that bind the rest of us. This is no different from celebrities and major professional athletes who scoff at reality and do as they please when they please. They somehow disconnect from the simple fact that actions, sooner or later, have consequences. In the case of some figures of this status, I believe that they become dissociated from their senses of self. Consequently, the role that they play in public life carries over to private life, and the results are always embarrassing and sometimes scary.

In regard to the issue of the best candidates not running, I wonder if well-grounded people with a sense of integrity would put up with the theatrics of political life. It seems like a fine way to be ruined, if one isn't careful. Take the example of Herman Cain. I didn't believe that he was presidential material, personally. But, I think his downfall shows one of the most troubling facets of contemporary American politics. If they don't like you, or if you pose a threat, then get ready for a smear job. I don't know if any or all of the allegations made against him were true, but it didn't matter. If the opposition can find or fabricate the right kind of dirt and make people believe it at an opportune moment, you're done, plain and simple.

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Mar 27, 2013
 
make me sick wrote:
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You are on the right track but on the wrong train. The hidden leaders of the Republican Party, the very rich upper class who now have complete control to finance all elections thanks to the people they had appointed to the Supreme Court. They now have complete control of our leaders, it only takes money to be elected and they have it all. They don't care what political party the are with, its the outcome they seek. These same people have been building a cheap labor force in this country for years. In the last 20 or so years the buying power of the middle class has declined dramatically, while the very rich has grown expediential.
They are building a kingdom for the rich in this country and you are a laborer. They were behind making the military a volunteer army to protect their children and to make your children do all the dirty work. You are helping them make the middle class nothing more than the working poor. You bow down and make offerings to them, you make me sick.
Since you blame the Republicans for all this evil then what are the Democrats responsible for? The Democrats are in power and control the current administration. Why is it that the Democrats are not mentioned? Are all the Democrats actually Republicans, and if so why did you vote Democratic? BTW are you really Columbus Native?

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Mar 27, 2013
 
Many people think that there should be term limits to stop this political corruption. I used to think that was a good idea but have rethought the whole idea.
Yes these politicians are liars and are corrupted but the people put them in office again and again, knowing what morals and ethics they have. The politician should be blamed for being an unethical liar and possible thief, but the voters put him in there and it is the voters responsibility to vote him out. That is the American way. It is not up to the politicians to educate the ignorant masses of voters so that they will pick the right man for the office. Politicians get away with everything because of ignorant and naive voters.
I also think that if the politicians are corrupt they will just find a way will steal twice as much in two terms as they would steal in three or four terms. That is just their greedy , immoral, unethical nature.
To think that a two term limit would change things is probably a false assumption.
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Man in Plaid wrote:
In response to Bill and Glorya,
I believe that one reason for the immoral behavior of some elected officials arises from the scripted nature of their lives. Once they begin to campaign for a major office, they are groomed to appear a certain way. A team of speech writers create talking-points-based texts for them to read that ensures that they will say the right thing to the right audiences. Their campaign writers amp up their biography to make them appear as nearly superhuman figures, and this hyperbole is a must because they all must confront the task of overcoming and eradicating the evil perpetrated by the current officeholder. And of course, their elections are described as epic exertions of the undeniable voice of the people who cried out in despair to the gods of democracy, and said gods delivered in the form of the semi-divine politician who shall lead the bitterly oppressed, or the merely irritated, to a state of unimaginable liberty.
Imagine being such a person. Hearing such overblown rhetoric and playing such a role over the course of an eighteen month campaign would have a way of working on one's self image. As a result, some officials embrace the caricature of the mythic leader who transcends the laws of reality and society that bind the rest of us. This is no different from celebrities and major professional athletes who scoff at reality and do as they please when they please. They somehow disconnect from the simple fact that actions, sooner or later, have consequences. In the case of some figures of this status, I believe that they become dissociated from their senses of self. Consequently, the role that they play in public life carries over to private life, and the results are always embarrassing and sometimes scary.
In regard to the issue of the best candidates not running, I wonder if well-grounded people with a sense of integrity would put up with the theatrics of political life. It seems like a fine way to be ruined, if one isn't careful. Take the example of Herman Cain. I didn't believe that he was presidential material, personally. But, I think his downfall shows one of the most troubling facets of contemporary American politics. If they don't like you, or if you pose a threat, then get ready for a smear job. I don't know if any or all of the allegations made against him were true, but it didn't matter. If the opposition can find or fabricate the right kind of dirt and make people believe it at an opportune moment, you're done, plain and simple.
They'll dig and dig until they get that scoop of dirt. Then, turn into mud & the smearing begins, even before campaigns get off the ground. I remember one or 2 dropped out because it was discovered they had illegal immigrants gardners/housekeepers. And the media flies with it. You are so right.

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Columbus Native wrote:
Well while the great republicans on this post stew, jerk, and whine, I will enjoy the next 3 years 10 months knowing that they are so upset. Get my government check next wednesday for which I have been paying into the system for 45 years, and knowing f-up republicans will not be able to Euthanize( Privatize) the system. Thanks again to our president who will see to it we are covered under Medicare and Medicaid. Also I am expecting a slight Cost Of Living pay increase next January. Now about mitt and his b-tch wishing they could of had a chance at America's financial wealth? Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.
Your post made me burst out laughing. You make a bucket of rocks seem smart.

On the sad side, you have NO IDEA what you are heading for.

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Columbus Native wrote:
Well while the great republicans on this post stew, jerk, and whine, I will enjoy the next 3 years 10 months knowing that they are so upset. Get my government check next wednesday for which I have been paying into the system for 45 years, and knowing f-up republicans will not be able to Euthanize( Privatize) the system. Thanks again to our president who will see to it we are covered under Medicare and Medicaid. Also I am expecting a slight Cost Of Living pay increase next January. Now about mitt and his b-tch wishing they could of had a chance at America's financial wealth? Ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.
I truly don't know of anyone who is stewing about all of this. Most people I know are concerned, but were/are prepared financially, etc. So, sorry to rain on your parade. I DO feel a bit sorry for you, though. You are eaten up with bitterness and envy. Sad.
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Mar 27, 2013
 
http://www.washingtonguardian.com/study-healt...

Maybe this link will be some proof of what is about to come.

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http://www.washingtonguardian. com/study-health-overhaul-rais e-claims-cost-32-pct-1
Maybe this link will be some proof of what is about to come.
The low information, uninformed voters won't believe this. They are living in some kind of bubble. For whatever reason, they are convinced they will be immune to all of this. Pretty incredible.
Thanks for the link.
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Bigdave1 wrote:
Many people think that there should be term limits to stop this political corruption. I used to think that was a good idea but have rethought the whole idea.
Yes these politicians are liars and are corrupted but the people put them in office again and again, knowing what morals and ethics they have. The politician should be blamed for being an unethical liar and possible thief, but the voters put him in there and it is the voters responsibility to vote him out. That is the American way. It is not up to the politicians to educate the ignorant masses of voters so that they will pick the right man for the office. Politicians get away with everything because of ignorant and naive voters.
I also think that if the politicians are corrupt they will just find a way will steal twice as much in two terms as they would steal in three or four terms. That is just their greedy , immoral, unethical nature.
To think that a two term limit would change things is probably a false assumption.
We the public look for what is wrong in our leaders, rather then what is right. The media loves the trash. We idealize then devalue. People are complicated. We all have strengths and limitations. We have things that are great about us, and we have our personal failings. Why do we think politicians or athletes are immune from being humans?
2. Politicians are televised. Jimmy Carter didn't have much television presence. Perhaps that is why he got so much credit as being the best "ex president". He was off camera.
3. FDR was elected for four terms. He wouldn't make it for one, with polio today, in a wheelchair.
4. Ronald Reagan was hugely popular. He was a great orator.
5. Why don't we have checks and balances so that the stealing doesn't happen. It seems like land deals back door is how so many of them become wealthy. What price are we the people paying for no checks and balances? We focus on foodstamp fraud. Piddly compared to the dollars stolen at the top. We are focussing on somebody who might be ripping off the system at 100 a month, while ignoring those stealing millions from the taxpayer. I don't get it.
6. If we could get out of this "democrat"/ "republican" labeling, maybe we could actually get something done again.
7. It takes money, but we are paying a very heavy price by placing money at the top of the list of what we value. We have moved away from our core values.
8. People don't get involved. We are trained that the only people with voices are lawyers.
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Well, Columbus Native is still mostly full of nonsense, I see.
- 67% non Republican? Than how did Romney get 48% of the vote - surprise, surprise, your numbers don't add up
- However, you are absolutely right that Gingrich let the 1994 incoming freshman Republicans down when he backed a 12 year term limit plan that went nowhere, instead of the 6-8 year limit that they wanted. Can't argue with you there.
- Don't worry about Republicans "euthanizing" "the system", worry more about Democrats pushing euthanasia for the elderly - that is far more likely. Remember Obama's suggestion for the 100 year old woman whose doctor said her only hope was a pacemaker that "maybe she would be better off taking a pain killer."
- so explain your vulgar comment about Mrs. Romney who from all appearances is a woman of character and grace who raised 5 sons. The Romneys gave away in charity far more than the Clintons, Gores, Bidens, and Obamas combined. Democrats are the ones who come into office with nothing and than parlay it into millions.
So am I mad, yes. I am mad that 51% of those that voted were too uninformed or too partisan to realize the disaster that putting Obama back in office could be for this country.
Sadly, many of those within this fifty-one percent don't care if the country falls off a cliff as long as they get their checks on schedule.

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