Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#5250 Mar 26, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Please let's not shed crocodile tears for people with average incomes of:
Average income for doctors
Radiology:$315,000
Orthopedics:$315,000
Cardiology:$314,000
Plastic surgery:$270,000
General surgery:$265,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology:$220,000
Now this is income, after all expenses.
And it doesn't include the multiple additional income and reimbursement streams for doctors.
Not too shabby.
And, apparently over 550,000 college educated people a year want to suffer making "only" $300K a year W-2 income as doctors, and 92% of them are rejected.
So if 550,000 highly educated folks a year are competing for positions less than 8% can get, it's pretty hard to claim that position is not highly desirable and sought after.
Now let's look at Canada.
In Canada, doctors are paid above-average salaries. According to the latest labour market information from Human Resources and Skills Development Canada .... The median salary—is $124,688 for general physicians (most make around $150,000 per year), and $164,551 for specialist physicians.
Wanna bet some of those $124K per year doctors would like to make $300K a year in the U.S.
There is a reason many smart Americans have discovered that medical care in Central and South America is so good, and so cheap, that they can travel to those locations, have medical procedures, enjoy am extended vacation and the total cost, including travel, hotels, and medical care, is still far less than what the costs would be in the U.S.
Medical care is so good and so cheap overseas an entire industry, "Medical Tourism", is highly profitable and popular.
Let'a bring some of those doctors here.
Obamacare is going to be GREAT!!!

http://www.newsmax.com/US/obamacare-family-ph...

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#5251 Mar 26, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Please let's not shed crocodile tears for people with average incomes of:
Average income for doctors
Radiology:$315,000
Orthopedics:$315,000
Cardiology:$314,000
Plastic surgery:$270,000
General surgery:$265,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology:$220,000
Now this is income, after all expenses.
And it doesn't include the multiple additional income and reimbursement streams for doctors.
Not too shabby.
And, apparently over 550,000 college educated people a year want to suffer making "only" $300K a year W-2 income as doctors, and 92% of them are rejected.
So if 550,000 highly educated folks a year are competing for positions less than 8% can get, it's pretty hard to claim that position is not highly desirable and sought after.
Now let's look at Canada.
In Canada, doctors are paid above-average salaries. According to the latest labour market information from Human Resources and Skills Development Canada .... The median salary—is $124,688 for general physicians (most make around $150,000 per year), and $164,551 for specialist physicians.
Wanna bet some of those $124K per year doctors would like to make $300K a year in the U.S.
There is a reason many smart Americans have discovered that medical care in Central and South America is so good, and so cheap, that they can travel to those locations, have medical procedures, enjoy am extended vacation and the total cost, including travel, hotels, and medical care, is still far less than what the costs would be in the U.S.
Medical care is so good and so cheap overseas an entire industry, "Medical Tourism", is highly profitable and popular.
Let'a bring some of those doctors here.
It's going to get better and better. See what you voted for? Congrats.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/...

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#5252 Mar 26, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Please let's not shed crocodile tears for people with average incomes of:
Average income for doctors
Radiology:$315,000
Orthopedics:$315,000
Cardiology:$314,000
Plastic surgery:$270,000
General surgery:$265,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology:$220,000
Now this is income, after all expenses.
And it doesn't include the multiple additional income and reimbursement streams for doctors.
Not too shabby.
And, apparently over 550,000 college educated people a year want to suffer making "only" $300K a year W-2 income as doctors, and 92% of them are rejected.
So if 550,000 highly educated folks a year are competing for positions less than 8% can get, it's pretty hard to claim that position is not highly desirable and sought after.
Now let's look at Canada.
In Canada, doctors are paid above-average salaries. According to the latest labour market information from Human Resources and Skills Development Canada .... The median salary—is $124,688 for general physicians (most make around $150,000 per year), and $164,551 for specialist physicians.
Wanna bet some of those $124K per year doctors would like to make $300K a year in the U.S.
There is a reason many smart Americans have discovered that medical care in Central and South America is so good, and so cheap, that they can travel to those locations, have medical procedures, enjoy am extended vacation and the total cost, including travel, hotels, and medical care, is still far less than what the costs would be in the U.S.
Medical care is so good and so cheap overseas an entire industry, "Medical Tourism", is highly profitable and popular.
Let'a bring some of those doctors here.
Sounds GREAT, huh?

More downsides to Obamacare:

1. The larger number of M.D.'s will compete for the same number of residencies. Though the ACA has expanded the number and diversity of U.S. medical graduates, the number of residency spots, funded by Medicare, has remained unchanged since a Congressional Balanced Budget Act took effect in 1997. A larger number of U.S. medical graduates could find themselves unmatched after graduation; in fact The Chronicle of Higher Education reported that Texas, which ranks 42nd in the United States in the number of doctors per 100,000 people, will graduate more medical students than it has residency slots available by 2014.

2. Physicians may elect to work fewer hours, thus decreasing access to care. A report issued by the Kellogg School of Management at Northwestern University indicates that portions of the ACA, specifically addressing cost containment and Medicare reimbursement, may end up ultimately decreasing the access to care. Based on data obtained after the establishment of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) in 1997, the report concludes that the program expanded access, but it eventually led to shorter patient visits and to significant numbers of physicians electing to work fewer hours.

The report cites previous expansions of public health programs in the United States and Canada and concludes that physicians probably elected to work fewer hours due to declines in reimbursements. The report speculates that this could lead to a future drop in the quantity and quality of medical school applicants, as the field may become less enticing. Further research would be needed to determine this definitively, the report adds.
Bored

Dawsonville, GA

#5253 Mar 26, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Please let's not shed crocodile tears for people with average incomes of:
Average income for doctors
Radiology:$315,000
Orthopedics:$315,000
Cardiology:$314,000
Plastic surgery:$270,000
General surgery:$265,000
Obstetrics/Gynecology:$220,000
Now this is income, after all expenses.
And it doesn't include the multiple additional income and reimbursement streams for doctors.
Not too shabby.
And, apparently over 550,000 college educated people a year want to suffer making "only" $300K a year W-2 income as doctors, and 92% of them are rejected.
So if 550,000 highly educated folks a year are competing for positions less than 8% can get, it's pretty hard to claim that position is not highly desirable and sought after.
Now let's look at Canada.
In Canada, doctors are paid above-average salaries. According to the latest labour market information from Human Resources and Skills Development Canada .... The median salary—is $124,688 for general physicians (most make around $150,000 per year), and $164,551 for specialist physicians.
Wanna bet some of those $124K per year doctors would like to make $300K a year in the U.S.
There is a reason many smart Americans have discovered that medical care in Central and South America is so good, and so cheap, that they can travel to those locations, have medical procedures, enjoy am extended vacation and the total cost, including travel, hotels, and medical care, is still far less than what the costs would be in the U.S.
Medical care is so good and so cheap overseas an entire industry, "Medical Tourism", is highly profitable and popular.
Let'a bring some of those doctors here.
Boring cattle call.

Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#5254 Mar 26, 2013
Hollow wrote:
How many illegals are in the U.S.?
"There are many differing opinions, resulting in some heavy argument. As they are ILLEGAL, there are no records to actually establish a number.
The LOW estimate crowd acknowledges at least 12 million, while the HIGH estimate crowd says it is more like 20 to 30 million.
Then there is a group that says that those numbers are only the recent [within say the last 30 years] ILLEGAL ALIENS. This group claims that the "old timer" illegal aliens [from 30 years and backward] may represent another 20 to 30 million [including their offspring over the years].
Again, there is NO WAY of knowing the exact numbers, but clearly and without valid argument it is in the area of at least/more than 12 to 20 million.
There are approx 10,000 total additional illegal aliens added to the United States population each day."
How many doctors does it take to attend to these illegals?
My guess is that there are 30 to 40 million illegal aliens in the U.S. The government has been quoting the 11 million number for 20 years. They have been bused into the U.S. and placed in almost every city and town in the U.S. Spread out all across the country so that Americans will not notice how many actually live here. You can see convoys of 3 to 4 buses with blacked out windows carrying them down the various freeways of America. These buses will have Texas plates. The question is just who is paying to have all these Mexicans shipped all over the U.S. Didn't you ever wonder how all these extremely poor Mexicans were moved all over the country and how they get from here to there? Do you ever see hundreds of them with their suitcases in hand, hitch hiking down the major highways?
Either big business or the government is paying to have them shipped around our country.
Glorya

Decatur, GA

#5255 Mar 26, 2013
Synergy understands and sees the decline of quality in health care in this country. It's here, it's happening, it's REAL! Thanks for those links.
jeb stuart

Savannah, GA

#5256 Mar 26, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
An OB/GYN I used to know paid $100,000 a year in malpractice insurance. Many in that field are dropping the OB portion because everyone expects a perfect baby and when something goes wrong they are looking for someone to blame, doesn't matter if the doc did everything right , there is a lawyer somewhere who will sue.
aggie,i have a perfect baby.
Glorya

Decatur, GA

#5257 Mar 27, 2013
Hollow wrote:
How many illegals are in the U.S.?
"There are many differing opinions, resulting in some heavy argument. As they are ILLEGAL, there are no records to actually establish a number.
The LOW estimate crowd acknowledges at least 12 million, while the HIGH estimate crowd says it is more like 20 to 30 million.
Then there is a group that says that those numbers are only the recent [within say the last 30 years] ILLEGAL ALIENS. This group claims that the "old timer" illegal aliens [from 30 years and backward] may represent another 20 to 30 million [including their offspring over the years].
Again, there is NO WAY of knowing the exact numbers, but clearly and without valid argument it is in the area of at least/more than 12 to 20 million.
There are approx 10,000 total additional illegal aliens added to the United States population each day."
How many doctors does it take to attend to these illegals?
The more important question to be asked concerning those illegals. How much Medicaid and taxpayer's money does it take to deliver care to ALL those illegals? Small hospitals can't afford them. Emergeny rooms can't afford them. They are draining an already strained system.
Hollow

Dawsonville, GA

#5258 Mar 27, 2013
Glorya wrote:
<quoted text> The more important question to be asked concerning those illegals. How much Medicaid and taxpayer's money does it take to deliver care to ALL those illegals? Small hospitals can't afford them. Emergeny rooms can't afford them. They are draining an already strained system.

""There is no widely accepted national estimate of the annual cost of healthcare for illegal immigrants, partly because hospitals do not collect immigration figures.

The Federation for American Immigration Reform, which advocates a temporary moratorium on most immigration, puts the total cost at $10.7 billion and calls the estimate conservative.""

Most subsidies for hospital care for illegals come from State and Local dollars.

By law, anyone who needs EMERGENCY care from a hospital must be given such care.
Glorya

Decatur, GA

#5259 Mar 27, 2013
Again, thanks to insurance & big pharma owning Capitol Hill, our premiums will double.

^ should read...thanks to Insurance Giants & Big Pharma owning Capitol Hill....
Glorya

Decatur, GA

#5260 Mar 27, 2013
Emergency rooms all over the country have signs displayed in both English & Spanish, stating NO one can be turned away. A big reason, emergency rooms are flooded with Medicaid patients. Doctor offices may turn them away, emergency rooms must see them. And most always take a loss or "hit" for many they treat. As we all know, emergency care is very costly.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#5261 Mar 27, 2013
Glorya wrote:
<quoted text> The more important question to be asked concerning those illegals. How much Medicaid and taxpayer's money does it take to deliver care to ALL those illegals? Small hospitals can't afford them. Emergeny rooms can't afford them. They are draining an already strained system.
There are now areas in the southwest with no emergency room services because the flood of illegals who did not pay forced the ERs to close. They could not stay in business, other areas of the country are also seeing ERs close because, as already stated, they cannot turn people away. Medicaid patients are straining ERs with complaints that are not emergencies and it appears to be for multiple reasons. Some think it is because most doctors take a set percentage of Medicare/Medicaid patients and once that threshold is met they don't take anymore new MM patients on, they can't afford to since the govt keeps cutting reimbursements. Typically, doctors lose money on every MM patient they see. Others think the fact that MM patients aren't paying for the care themselves, they go to the ER for everything, thus further straining the system.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#5262 Mar 27, 2013
jeb stuart wrote:
<quoted text>aggie,i have a perfect baby.
I am making inferences based on that statement, if I am correct - Bless you.
make me sick

Dahlonega, GA

#5263 Mar 27, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
Thank you for such an outstanding post. The portion I quoted above to me is, regrettably, the crux of the matter. It is hard not to come to the conclusion that that is the goal of the Liberals. Create a permanent underclass that considers itself incapable of surviving without a paternalistic government to take care of them. This ensures that those same people will always vote for whomever promises the most handouts, rather than "hand ups." They will never rise above that and so will guarantee the perpetual power of those promising the handouts. What both groups (the Liberals and their dependents) will not recognize is that it is impossible to sustain an economic system that keeps taking more and more away from those who produce and contribute to this country in order to support those who WILL not (not CAN not) support themselves. And yet the people (top 5% income earners) who already pay more in taxes than the bottom 95% combined are called whiners and greedy for not wanting to pay even more taxes to support wasteful, duplicative programs. If we do not get a handle on the out of control spending in all areas, there will not be money for those who truly need help. And yet those on the Left think that those who make this country work will just sit back while more and more gets taken from them. Is anybody paying attention to what happened in Cyprus today, there are lessons to be learned there - or warnings to be heeded.
You are on the right track but on the wrong train. The hidden leaders of the Republican Party, the very rich upper class who now have complete control to finance all elections thanks to the people they had appointed to the Supreme Court. They now have complete control of our leaders, it only takes money to be elected and they have it all. They don't care what political party the are with, its the outcome they seek. These same people have been building a cheap labor force in this country for years. In the last 20 or so years the buying power of the middle class has declined dramatically, while the very rich has grown expediential.

They are building a kingdom for the rich in this country and you are a laborer. They were behind making the military a volunteer army to protect their children and to make your children do all the dirty work. You are helping them make the middle class nothing more than the working poor. You bow down and make offerings to them, you make me sick.
jeb stuart

Savannah, GA

#5264 Mar 27, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
I am making inferences based on that statement, if I am correct - Bless you.
it was just a crude attempt at humor,i thought nearly everyone thought their babies were perfect- even the ones born with birth defects.
Glorya

Decatur, GA

#5265 Mar 27, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
There are now areas in the southwest with no emergency room services because the flood of illegals who did not pay forced the ERs to close. They could not stay in business, other areas of the country are also seeing ERs close because, as already stated, they cannot turn people away. Medicaid patients are straining ERs with complaints that are not emergencies and it appears to be for multiple reasons. Some think it is because most doctors take a set percentage of Medicare/Medicaid patients and once that threshold is met they don't take anymore new MM patients on, they can't afford to since the govt keeps cutting reimbursements. Typically, doctors lose money on every MM patient they see. Others think the fact that MM patients aren't paying for the care themselves, they go to the ER for everything, thus further straining the system.
Aggie is right on track & knows very well what unfolds before us. Good post!
Glorya

Decatur, GA

#5266 Mar 27, 2013
Glorya wrote:
<quoted text> Aggie is right on track & knows very well what unfolds before us. Good post!
Right train AND right track. Some others, not so much.
Man in Plaid

Sylacauga, AL

#5267 Mar 27, 2013
In response to Make Me Sick,

Do Republican elites alone comprise the"they" that you describe? It seems that the identical charges that you levy against this group could also be made against the elite of the Democrat party. While this take suggests that working class Republicans are being and have been duped by their leaders into becoming economic pawns and cannon fodder, it does not address the modern serfdom that the Democrats have created by building an underclass whose sustenance depends upon entitlements and handouts. Structurally speaking, how are the two different?
I think much of this problem stems from power-hungry people staying in influential positions for too many years. When this happens, as it regularly does, political leadership becomes more about wealth building and the installment of personal agenda as public policy than public service. I understand that these things are somewhat endemic to politics; however, I would like to think that some politicians can resist this temptation while serving and then return to private life. Unfortunately, many in office cannot fathom this act and, consequently, make a career of it. Once this happens, and continues happening, a major problem arises: the politician becomes more concerned with holding onto power than serving his/her constituents. As a result, his/her loyalties shift. Now, the power-brokers who you speak of become most important because they can help the politician maintain his/her little slice of the pie, of course, if the politician shows that he/she is loyal to the larger agenda.
Now, if we extend this to the situation of the citizen, we see a second problem. We do not have unmediated access to the "political reality" in which we live and that, to some extent, shapes our lives. Rather, all that we know about the workings of our government comes from the media. Of course, every media outlet has its own agenda, and given their dependence upon consumers to achieve needed ratings and sell units, they cater to specific audiences. Thus, the same story will be presented in different ways according to the outlet's agenda and its audience's expectations. Because of this, each story is based in fact, but the interpretation of the facts leads to the creation of a news story, or mediated fact. As skeptical thinkers in the post-modern world, we know that the media does not supply us with unblemished fact. Therefore, we don't believe much of anything that it tells us. Is not this a major issue?
If we can't trust our politicians to be loyal to us and we can't accept what the media tells us as truth, then where do we stand? How can we function in our political reality? You say that we should be wary of the scheming Republican elite. I say that we should be wary of the highly fallible political system that governs our lives and the media that tells us about the workings of this system. I'm not sure that the elites in any party care much for common people, but I'm pretty sure that they care a lot about power.
And what's withe the "you make me sick" comment? Anyone on any side of an issue who is willing to express his/her beliefs on a public forum in a civil manner deserves respect. In a political world filled with selfish, agenda-driven leaders, maybe the only source of hope left is people willing to listen to and respond to others while standing on their convictions. Dialogue is what will make a government and citizenry work well.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#5268 Mar 27, 2013
Glorya wrote:
<quoted text> Right train AND right track. Some others, not so much.
Both tracks are correct!!!!! It's common sense. What is wrong with those who just don't GET it????

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#5269 Mar 27, 2013
Man in Plaid wrote:
In response to Make Me Sick,
Do Republican elites alone comprise the"they" that you describe? It seems that the identical charges that you levy against this group could also be made against the elite of the Democrat party. While this take suggests that working class Republicans are being and have been duped by their leaders into becoming economic pawns and cannon fodder, it does not address the modern serfdom that the Democrats have created by building an underclass whose sustenance depends upon entitlements and handouts. Structurally speaking, how are the two different?
I think much of this problem stems from power-hungry people staying in influential positions for too many years. When this happens, as it regularly does, political leadership becomes more about wealth building and the installment of personal agenda as public policy than public service. I understand that these things are somewhat endemic to politics; however, I would like to think that some politicians can resist this temptation while serving and then return to private life. Unfortunately, many in office cannot fathom this act and, consequently, make a career of it. Once this happens, and continues happening, a major problem arises: the politician becomes more concerned with holding onto power than serving his/her constituents. As a result, his/her loyalties shift. Now, the power-brokers who you speak of become most important because they can help the politician maintain his/her little slice of the pie, of course, if the politician shows that he/she is loyal to the larger agenda.
Now, if we extend this to the situation of the citizen, we see a second problem. We do not have unmediated access to the "political reality" in which we live and that, to some extent, shapes our lives. Rather, all that we know about the workings of our government comes from the media. Of course, every media outlet has its own agenda, and given their dependence upon consumers to achieve needed ratings and sell units, they cater to specific audiences. Thus, the same story will be presented in different ways according to the outlet's agenda and its audience's expectations. Because of this, each story is based in fact, but the interpretation of the facts leads to the creation of a news story, or mediated fact. As skeptical thinkers in the post-modern world, we know that the media does not supply us with unblemished fact. Therefore, we don't believe much of anything that it tells us. Is not this a major issue?
If we can't trust our politicians to be loyal to us and we can't accept what the media tells us as truth, then where do we stand? How can we function in our political reality? You say that we should be wary of the scheming Republican elite. I say that we should be wary of the highly fallible political system that governs our lives and the media that tells us about the workings of this system. I'm not sure that the elites in any party care much for common people, but I'm pretty sure that they care a lot about power.
And what's withe the "you make me sick" comment? Anyone on any side of an issue who is willing to express his/her beliefs on a public forum in a civil manner deserves respect. In a political world filled with selfish, agenda-driven leaders, maybe the only source of hope left is people willing to listen to and respond to others while standing on their convictions. Dialogue is what will make a government and citizenry work well.
This is pure poetry, Man in Plaid. Thanks for an excellent post.

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