Since: Jul 12

Douglasville, GA

#4511 Mar 6, 2013
bull wrote:
<quoted text>
Bull!! The end result of all AMERICANS again wanting something for nothing. Mexicans came here because WE gave them JOBS to do at a very CHEAP price. WE wanted the savings and what amounts to slaves to do our menial labor that no AMERICAN wanted to do. If you factor in the costs of everything the Mexicans ôstoleö from us in provided services, it was still a bargain. Even today with most Mexicans gone NO AMERICAN wants to sweat in watermelon fields for the amount of money paid. We blame everyone but US for the Mexicans and the housing bust. Fact is it was our GREED that made it ALL happen, and most of the blame goes to "baby boomers"!
The U.S. Government tells us for the last 15 years that there are 12 million Illegal Mexicans in this country. Now the government says there 10 million illegal Mexicans in this country due to our poor economy. I would think by now that there are probably around 30 million scattered all across the U.S. That is what I think would be reasonable.
The U.S. Government openly admits that 7 million American jobs have been taken by these people. That figure is probably low also.
Just how many millions of these illegal aliens does it take to pick tomatoes? To pick watermelons?
Funny thing is when you go into a restaurant, fast food, Walmarts, Grocery chains, drug stores who is working there? Mexicans that is who. Who is doing the majority of the state and cities road work? Mexicans that is who. Who now controls most of the home building jobs? Mexicans that is who. They are no longer paid under what any other person would make for doing the same job. Their wages have gone up while American wages have decreased.
Working illegal aliens is no longer cheap as it once was.
Do I blame the illegal aliens that cross our border illegally to take our jobs and mooch of of us? Yes. Do I blame the greedy ,cheap people that used them for cheap labor? Yes.
Most of all I blame the politicians and the United States Government for allowing these people in the country in the first place. It is the Governments responsibility to guard our borders, control immigration but it has not done so.
Yeah, The U.S. guards borders in foreign countries such as S. Korea, and protects other countries by treaties but not ours.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#4512 Mar 6, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
I would disagree with you on much of the rest of your post, but the above has some very valid points, especially in terms of what will be left behind in terms of those in charge. But I would disagree with some of what you claim were the motivations. Also is terms of Vietnam - it was the middle of the Cold War and it is easy to forget the threat that communism posed at that time and how important is was to try and stop its spread. Had Johnson not been such an egomaniacal ass and had he allowed his military commanders to make decisions instead of making a policy of "they can't bomb an outhouse without my OK" the war could have very arguably been shorter, successful and far less costly in precious American lives.
Get over your obsession with Romney and his taxes, he paid what was legally required and actually paid more (as you acknowledged)- you have NO proof he paid no taxes in the prior years and to claim any such knowledge is to be as disingenuous as Harry Reid - though in Reid's case, I would just call him a liar.
However, if you and others intend to continue with your hard headedness about Romney, please show me your posts where you were railing against Tim Geitner for Sec of Treasury (also making him head of the IRS) for his tax fraud, that somehow he is able to SUCCESSFULLY defend by saying it was a problem with TurboTax. Let's see John Q Public get away with that excuse when he is audited. Or Obama's original pick for HHS, Tom Daschle, who somehow "forgot" to claim $1,000,000 in consulting fees, or Kathleen Sebelius, the current HHS, who owed back taxes and I could name more. These are people who actually DEFRAUDED the government of legitimately owed taxes and yet, with the exception of Daschle withdrawing his nomination (his only "penalty") the others are currently serving in the Obama administration. Heck, it was reported last July that federal employees owe almost $3.5 BILLION in unpaid taxes. But you continue to be hung up over a man who actually paid everything (and more) he was legally required to.
+1 well stated, as usual...

However, IMHO, you're wasting your time with whom you are conversing. He/she doesn't understand (apparently) that we ALL have the same tax rates, ALL use the same tax forms (some use more forms than others, some use less) and the rationale for why capital gains rates are different than ordinary income tax rates.

All this anger and hate towards Romney? Perhaps Bain Capital transferred his/her job elsewhere???

BTW, FYI, the median household income in the US is somewhere around $50K per year, the tax rate on taxable income (giving no "benefit" for deductions, credits, etc.) of $50K was (for 2011) around 13.3%, which is below the capital gains rate. Oh yeah, around half the households in this country don't pay ANY federal income taxes. All that being said, this guy/gal has his obsession (as you say) with Mr. Romney and his tax "history". Makes no sense, does it?
Wheeler

Twinsburg, OH

#4514 Mar 6, 2013
Bill in Dville wrote:
<quoted text>
+1
Finally, a great, logical post from an unregistered poster...
Ohhhhhhh Mr. Bill! Thanks for the +1.

I cannot register, as Topix simply will not allowi it. You
see, I am an accident of nature. I guess, Topix is sort of like the American Kennel Club.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#4515 Mar 6, 2013
Wheeler wrote:
<quoted text>
Ohhhhhhh Mr. Bill! Thanks for the +1.
I cannot register, as Topix simply will not allowi it. You
see, I am an accident of nature. I guess, Topix is sort of like the American Kennel Club.
So you're saying you're a mutt? I'd say more like a freak of nature. Chico.
Informed Opinion

United States

#4516 Mar 6, 2013
Bored wrote:
<quoted text>Back peddling on a unicycle.
Boring.
I have been wrongly giving you credit for reading, despite the overwhelming boredom you encountered.

Apparently not.
Informed Opinion

United States

#4517 Mar 6, 2013
bull wrote:
<quoted text>Bull!! The end result of all AMERICANS again wanting something for nothing. Mexicans came here because WE gave them JOBS to do at a very CHEAP price. WE wanted the savings and what amounts to slaves to do our menial labor that no AMERICAN wanted to do. If you factor in the costs of everything the Mexicans “stole” from us in provided services, it was still a bargain. Even today with most Mexicans gone NO AMERICAN wants to sweat in watermelon fields for the amount of money paid. We blame everyone but US for the Mexicans and the housing bust. Fact is it was our GREED that made it ALL happen, and most of the blame goes to "baby boomers"!
Good post.

Illegals are here because employers want them here.- The employers get increased profits by paying artificially low wages.

Politicians get millions in contributions from the employers - so they won't enforce immigration laws or throw employers in jail for employing illegals.

The American working man loses.

Since: Jan 10

Location hidden

#4518 Mar 6, 2013

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#4519 Mar 6, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Good post.
Illegals are here because employers want them here.- The employers get increased profits by paying artificially low wages.
Politicians get millions in contributions from the employers - so they won't enforce immigration laws or throw employers in jail for employing illegals.
The American working man loses.
One MUST also include UNIONS when complaining about companies hiring cheap labor. Unions price themselves out of the market by holding their companies hostage until they get their way. I am guessing there are MANY working class Americans who would LOVE to earn the wages that the union workers are receiving, but still aren't happy with. Without unions, the playing field for American workers would be equal. Politicians get millions in contributions from Union lobbiests. I realize we are talking about illegals, but we are also talking about jobs and cheap labor.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#4520 Mar 6, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Good post.
Illegals are here because employers want them here.- The employers get increased profits by paying artificially low wages.
Politicians get millions in contributions from the employers - so they won't enforce immigration laws or throw employers in jail for employing illegals.
The American working man loses.
Mexicans come here because we pay dramatically more than they can earn in Mexico. So if you want to complain about wages perhaps you should talk to President Enrique Pena Neito. You're right that politicians want the illegals here (as long as you're talking about Democrat politicians.) Non-cuban Hispanics are voting Democrat with higher and higher percentages every election. And glorya is absolutely right about the overcrowding of our public schools and emergency rooms - especially in the southwest. It is harder and harder to find emergency rooms in some areas because they have had to shut their doors because the illegals who did not pay were bankrupting the hospitals. I also understand the impulse that leads so many to come here, they want a better life and to be able to better support their families. However, this country cannot afford it. And security wise, this country cannot afford it. It is INSANE that we have as porous a border as we do, it is an invitation for terrorists to come in through Mexico. Forget the illegal alien issue for a moment- our country's security demands a fortified border - fat chance.

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#4521 Mar 6, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>
One MUST also include UNIONS when complaining about companies hiring cheap labor. Unions price themselves out of the market by holding their companies hostage until they get their way. I am guessing there are MANY working class Americans who would LOVE to earn the wages that the union workers are receiving, but still aren't happy with. Without unions, the playing field for American workers would be equal. Politicians get millions in contributions from Union lobbiests. I realize we are talking about illegals, but we are also talking about jobs and cheap labor.
And the unions love it when the minimum wage gets increased, most all labor contracts have their wages tied to the minimum wage. When the minimum wage gets increased, labor wages automatically get increased - no negotiating necessary. But it actually shrinks the job market for the unskilled.
Boots On

Douglasville, GA

#4522 Mar 6, 2013
Aggie23 wrote:
<quoted text>
And the unions love it when the minimum wage gets increased, most all labor contracts have their wages tied to the minimum wage. When the minimum wage gets increased, labor wages automatically get increased - no negotiating necessary. But it actually shrinks the job market for the unskilled.
Unions do not want competition in the labor market. Business has to compete for customers, they should be allowed a competitive market for labor as well.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#4523 Mar 6, 2013
Synergy wrote:
<quoted text>One MUST also include UNIONS when complaining about companies hiring cheap labor. Unions price themselves out of the market by holding their companies hostage until they get their way. I am guessing there are MANY working class Americans who would LOVE to earn the wages that the union workers are receiving, but still aren't happy with. Without unions, the playing field for American workers would be equal. Politicians get millions in contributions from Union lobbiests. I realize we are talking about illegals, but we are also talking about jobs and cheap labor.
Oh those poor corporate employers. Someone might sometime make them pay a living wage so that the taxpayers aren't providing the basics of life for their employees.

Why that might cause Apple to use some of the 137 BILLION dollars in cash,(yes, just one company has an extra 137 BIllion Dollars in cash laying around), to pay a decent wage and benefits.

Why that might make American corporations sitting on 1.7 TRILLION in cash from their exploding profits created by the most productive workers in the world to actually share some of those profits with the employees who created the profits.

Oh those poor poor corporations, like Disney, who cut benefits for the poor schmucks wearing Mickey Mouse costumes at the same time they paid 130 MILLION Dollars to Ovitz because he was such am incompetent buffoon they had to fire him;

or HCA when they paid now Rep. Governor Ruck Scott $300 Million to go away when they fired him, and were forced to pay back 2 Billion Dollars to the government as only part of the money they stole from the taxpayers when Scott was in charge;

or United Healthcare,( you know - the company that denies coverage automatically to see if you're willing to fight for benefits you paid for), when it paid McGuire 1.1 BILLION to go away when they fired him;

Oh, those poor poor corporations. Why if they have to pay Billions in bonuses to the executives they fire for screwing up, how can they possibly be expected to pay a living wage to their workers who actually do a good job.

And of course we all know that Unions got us all:

40 hour work weeks;
No child labor;
Holidays;
Vacation Days;
Pension Plans;
Safe Working Conditions;
Overtime Pay;
Health Insurance;
Medicare;
Social Security; and
Job Security.

Surely nobody who benefitted from all those union provided liberal socialist commie Democrap programs would object to unions.

That'd be as silly as Right Wing V.P. candidate Ryan, having collected Social Security as a child, attended college using government aid, and working as a government employee his entire adult life telling us all how folks receiving government checks are parasites,(unless they're checks to corporations).

Nope, nobody would take advantage of all those union created benefits then attack unions.
OMTE

Fitzgerald, GA

#4524 Mar 6, 2013
The drugs they bring here are crippling are country. Meth is killing our youth. Most of the drugs come through Mexico to the U.S. via illegals. It doesn't have to be a bomb to be deadly. Check out Fitzgerald topix. This is where I was raised and it's sad to see my hometown dying. There are several plants here that employ mostly all illegal mexicans and our sheriff here turns a blind eye to it. There was a drug bust just made here involving illegals. They were dealing pills, meth, gambling, and a "massage" parlor. A few years back in a bordering county mexican's killed a whole family included a two year old baby. They are vicious and sneaky and I have no use for none of them.
Ron

Flowery Branch, GA

#4525 Mar 6, 2013
Why would anyone want Johnny back?

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#4526 Mar 6, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh those poor corporate employers. Someone might sometime make them pay a living wage so that the taxpayers aren't providing the basics of life for their employees.
Why that might cause Apple to use some of the 137 BILLION dollars in cash,(yes, just one company has an extra 137 BIllion Dollars in cash laying around), to pay a decent wage and benefits.
Why that might make American corporations sitting on 1.7 TRILLION in cash from their exploding profits created by the most productive workers in the world to actually share some of those profits with the employees who created the profits.
Oh those poor poor corporations, like Disney, who cut benefits for the poor schmucks wearing Mickey Mouse costumes at the same time they paid 130 MILLION Dollars to Ovitz because he was such am incompetent buffoon they had to fire him;
or HCA when they paid now Rep. Governor Ruck Scott $300 Million to go away when they fired him, and were forced to pay back 2 Billion Dollars to the government as only part of the money they stole from the taxpayers when Scott was in charge;
or United Healthcare,( you know - the company that denies coverage automatically to see if you're willing to fight for benefits you paid for), when it paid McGuire 1.1 BILLION to go away when they fired him;
Oh, those poor poor corporations. Why if they have to pay Billions in bonuses to the executives they fire for screwing up, how can they possibly be expected to pay a living wage to their workers who actually do a good job.
And of course we all know that Unions got us all:
40 hour work weeks;
No child labor;
Holidays;
Vacation Days;
Pension Plans;
Safe Working Conditions;
Overtime Pay;
Health Insurance;
Medicare;
Social Security; and
Job Security.
Surely nobody who benefitted from all those union provided liberal socialist commie Democrap programs would object to unions.
That'd be as silly as Right Wing V.P. candidate Ryan, having collected Social Security as a child, attended college using government aid, and working as a government employee his entire adult life telling us all how folks receiving government checks are parasites,(unless they're checks to corporations).
Nope, nobody would take advantage of all those union created benefits then attack unions.
There WAS a time when labor unions were needed. Not so, now. Unions bought and paid for our current president. To say that he supports the common working man is laughable.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#4527 Mar 6, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh those poor corporate employers. Someone might sometime make them pay a living wage so that the taxpayers aren't providing the basics of life for their employees.
Why that might cause Apple to use some of the 137 BILLION dollars in cash,(yes, just one company has an extra 137 BIllion Dollars in cash laying around), to pay a decent wage and benefits.
Why that might make American corporations sitting on 1.7 TRILLION in cash from their exploding profits created by the most productive workers in the world to actually share some of those profits with the employees who created the profits.
Oh those poor poor corporations, like Disney, who cut benefits for the poor schmucks wearing Mickey Mouse costumes at the same time they paid 130 MILLION Dollars to Ovitz because he was such am incompetent buffoon they had to fire him;
or HCA when they paid now Rep. Governor Ruck Scott $300 Million to go away when they fired him, and were forced to pay back 2 Billion Dollars to the government as only part of the money they stole from the taxpayers when Scott was in charge;
or United Healthcare,( you know - the company that denies coverage automatically to see if you're willing to fight for benefits you paid for), when it paid McGuire 1.1 BILLION to go away when they fired him;
Oh, those poor poor corporations. Why if they have to pay Billions in bonuses to the executives they fire for screwing up, how can they possibly be expected to pay a living wage to their workers who actually do a good job.
And of course we all know that Unions got us all:
40 hour work weeks;
No child labor;
Holidays;
Vacation Days;
Pension Plans;
Safe Working Conditions;
Overtime Pay;
Health Insurance;
Medicare;
Social Security; and
Job Security.
Surely nobody who benefitted from all those union provided liberal socialist commie Democrap programs would object to unions.
That'd be as silly as Right Wing V.P. candidate Ryan, having collected Social Security as a child, attended college using government aid, and working as a government employee his entire adult life telling us all how folks receiving government checks are parasites,(unless they're checks to corporations).
Nope, nobody would take advantage of all those union created benefits then attack unions.
The logic used with the union situation can be looked at with the same logic as slavery.(This will open up a "hell"storm. I don't care.) The union members we have NOW didn't do the work, make the sacrifices and muster up the courage as the unions did back in the day. In plain terms, they haven't EARNED it. They are riding on the backs of the ones who did. The comparison to slavery? It's obvious, but here goes. The blacks now ride on the backs of their ancestors. They feel owed...entitled. That dog won't hunt anymore. Same with unions. Unless one is a member of a union or has a CLOSE family member who is in a union, there is a general feeling of disdain toward unions. They are considered bullies and lean toward violence. Well, of course, liberals think they set a great example. If you don't get your way, walk off the job.

Additionally, corporations and their profit making and taking are here to stay. You might as well accept that. They've proved that by taking it overseas if needed. Libs seem to think that Obama is going to make those evil rich people PAY. lol Not going to happen. Just more of his lies to get votes.

Since: Nov 08

Location hidden

#4528 Mar 6, 2013
OMTE wrote:
The drugs they bring here are crippling are country. Meth is killing our youth. Most of the drugs come through Mexico to the U.S. via illegals. It doesn't have to be a bomb to be deadly. Check out Fitzgerald topix. This is where I was raised and it's sad to see my hometown dying. There are several plants here that employ mostly all illegal mexicans and our sheriff here turns a blind eye to it. There was a drug bust just made here involving illegals. They were dealing pills, meth, gambling, and a "massage" parlor. A few years back in a bordering county mexican's killed a whole family included a two year old baby. They are vicious and sneaky and I have no use for none of them.
I don't "get" why the border can't be closed. No one with the power to do so seems to want to. That statement crosses both political parties. WTH?

Since: Jul 12

Winston, GA

#4529 Mar 6, 2013
Every country in the world controls their borders but the United States and Canada.
Just try crossing into Mexico and see if the Mexican Army doesn't lock you ass up. Mexico also has thousands of troops stationed on its borders that border its neighboring countries. They let no one in and if they do they are watched and they had better leave Mexico when their time is up or they go to a Mexican jail.
Informed Opinion

Alva, FL

#4530 Mar 6, 2013
How about a little support for Sen. Rand Paul and his filibuster of Brennan to be CIA Director.

Paul is wrong on economic issues, but he is absolutely correct on this one.
Bored

Dahlonega, GA

#4531 Mar 6, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh those poor corporate employers. Someone might sometime make them pay a living wage so that the taxpayers aren't providing the basics of life for their employees.
Why that might cause Apple to use some of the 137 BILLION dollars in cash,(yes, just one company has an extra 137 BIllion Dollars in cash laying around), to pay a decent wage and benefits.
Why that might make American corporations sitting on 1.7 TRILLION in cash from their exploding profits created by the most productive workers in the world to actually share some of those profits with the employees who created the profits.
Oh those poor poor corporations, like Disney, who cut benefits for the poor schmucks wearing Mickey Mouse costumes at the same time they paid 130 MILLION Dollars to Ovitz because he was such am incompetent buffoon they had to fire him;
or HCA when they paid now Rep. Governor Ruck Scott $300 Million to go away when they fired him, and were forced to pay back 2 Billion Dollars to the government as only part of the money they stole from the taxpayers when Scott was in charge;
or United Healthcare,( you know - the company that denies coverage automatically to see if you're willing to fight for benefits you paid for), when it paid McGuire 1.1 BILLION to go away when they fired him;
Oh, those poor poor corporations. Why if they have to pay Billions in bonuses to the executives they fire for screwing up, how can they possibly be expected to pay a living wage to their workers who actually do a good job.
And of course we all know that Unions got us all:
40 hour work weeks;
No child labor;
Holidays;
Vacation Days;
Pension Plans;
Safe Working Conditions;
Overtime Pay;
Health Insurance;
Medicare;
Social Security; and
Job Security.
Surely nobody who benefitted from all those union provided liberal socialist commie Democrap programs would object to unions.
That'd be as silly as Right Wing V.P. candidate Ryan, having collected Social Security as a child, attended college using government aid, and working as a government employee his entire adult life telling us all how folks receiving government checks are parasites,(unless they're checks to corporations).
Nope, nobody would take advantage of all those union created benefits then attack unions.

Boring.

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