Mother indicted on manslaughter charges after death of baby

There are 15 comments on the Clinch Valley News story from Sep 25, 2012, titled Mother indicted on manslaughter charges after death of baby. In it, Clinch Valley News reports that:

The Sept. 11 session of grand jury indicted Karen Ann Elder of Richlands on a charge of involuntary manslaughter.

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sandra casey

Richlands, VA

#21 Oct 23, 2012
Just Me wrote:
<quoted text> Ann does not deserve to be locked away?? Well that innocent baby didn't deserve to die either you idiot!!!
First thing I am not an idiot!! Second of all you do not know Ann or you would not feel this way she is a good person she made a mistake she knows it I did not say she don't deserve to be punished she does! There are alot more that get away with this very same thing! I am trying to understand why myself that anyone would use drugs period let alone while pregant! I do know that Ann was a good mother to her boys she tried very hard to give them a good life and did it on her own she can't help what they do now they are all of age. She needs help not just locked away and forgot about!!! I bet alot of you people don't even know that she has a clean record!! She has never been charged with anything!!!
sandra casey

Richlands, VA

#22 Oct 23, 2012
So True wrote:
<quoted text>What do you suggest they do with her? Do you have kids? How would you feel if Ann gave your kids drugs? She gave her OWN baby drugs and she knew exactly what she was doing. I don't know her but I think she should be charged with murder and any other woman who brings a baby into this world addicted to drugs. I'm an addict and my life is a mess. I live in hell withdrawing and chasing that pill. I KNOW how bad drugs effects you and Ann knows too. I wouldn't wish this on anybody muchless my own child.
I have three children and I do know how she feels I know her personally and if the laws treated everyone the same way they all should go to jail but going to jail is not a solution to this problem. These people need education maybe all women should be randomally drug tested esp. the ones with a history of drug use. and if they test positive for drugs be cleaned up in a facility and kept there until the baby is born. educate these women it is not easy to get out of an abousive relationship which she was also in at the time with the baby's father. I dont know why she used the drugs she wanted a baby girl so bad she spoiled my two girls to death when they were little. I wished I did now why because I would have done anything to help her stop at least until this beautiful little girl was born.
Wrong

North Tazewell, VA

#23 Oct 23, 2012
sandra casey wrote:
<quoted text>First thing I am not an idiot!! Second of all you do not know Ann or you would not feel this way she is a good person she made a mistake she knows it I did not say she don't deserve to be punished she does! There are alot more that get away with this very same thing! I am trying to understand why myself that anyone would use drugs period let alone while pregant! I do know that Ann was a good mother to her boys she tried very hard to give them a good life and did it on her own she can't help what they do now they are all of age. She needs help not just locked away and forgot about!!! I bet alot of you people don't even know that she has a clean record!! She has never been charged with anything!!!
YOur rationale is weak. Everyone STARTS with a clean record. That is a moot point. Secondly, a "good" person does not use drugs when they are carrying life inside them. A mistake is forgetting to turn the oven off, or putting your shirt on backwards. When you are knowingly using drugs when you are pregnant, that is NOT a mistake. Killing an innocent life bc of your own selfishness is NOT a mistake. Sure, there may be others getting away with the same same thing. Does that make it right? Of course it doesn't Just bc Joe Blow robs a bank and gets away with it doesn't mean it is ok for me to do the same & plead, well Joe Blow did it! She is responsible for HER actions! Hopefully they will get morestringent and pursue more cases like this one and send a message to these losers. If you want to use drugs, take a birth control pill and spare an innocent life.
pooping crow

New York, NY

#24 Oct 23, 2012
as far as I know ann had never used hard drugs and yes I know any drug is not good but I just do not believe the drugs were the main thing to blame in this that guy did beat the hell our of her the entire time she was pregnant. But that's all I've got to say about it BC no I do not know the extent of the situation, but why in the hell did Jackie Lester Shelton not get thrown under the jail? She shot dope many times a day with that poor child inside her worthless ass, and it was dead in get for two months and she did nothing about it. That woman deserves the max
so sad

Lexington, NC

#25 Nov 16, 2012
pooping crow wrote:
as far as I know ann had never used hard drugs and yes I know any drug is not good but I just do not believe the drugs were the main thing to blame in this that guy did beat the hell our of her the entire time she was pregnant. But that's all I've got to say about it BC no I do not know the extent of the situation, but why in the hell did Jackie Lester Shelton not get thrown under the jail? She shot dope many times a day with that poor child inside her worthless ass, and it was dead in get for two months and she did nothing about it. That woman deserves the max
You make excuses for one woman and want to put another under a firing squad for doing the exact same thing. It doesn't make sense. I have heard over and over that other woman does this and nothing gets done.....well somebody has to be the first so it might as well begin with this case.
Dan Hallen

Tazewell, VA

#26 Nov 16, 2012
It needs to begin with a law. This isn't the first Tazwell County tries and got a conviction on another girl last year. I think she got 5 years.
wondering

Washington, DC

#27 Nov 17, 2012
What about the honaker girl that delivered a dead baby that proably died from drugs? did they do an autopsy in her baby since it was almost full term when it died?just wondering
Truth

Lexington, NC

#28 Nov 17, 2012
Dan Hallen wrote:
It needs to begin with a law. This isn't the first Tazwell County tries and got a conviction on another girl last year. I think she got 5 years.
Is this the point some are trying to make is there needs to be a law? I have been reading and even commenting on the threads about this case and I have read several post from people saying what's being done with Ann is wrong. I have been amazed by the ones who want to uphold her or any woman who does drugs while pregnant. I personally feel like any woman who does drugs while pregnant should be charged with felony child abuse and in cases like this one were the baby died murder. I feel so strong about this because I am an addict. I know what drugs do to you. I know how bad withdrawals are. I KNOW. These other women know too. That's the part that amazes me. They know how bad drugs are yet they still get pregnant. My kids are grown and I would NEVER give them drugs yet some women do this stuff. There's no difference they are giving their kids drugs before it gets to even open its little eyes. Its bad enough what I've done to myself but ill never be so low as to give a baby, kid....mine or anyone elses drugs.
Dan Hallen

Tazewell, VA

#29 Nov 17, 2012
wondering wrote:
What about the honaker girl that delivered a dead baby that proably died from drugs? did they do an autopsy in her baby since it was almost full term when it died?just wondering
They sent it off for a autopsy . I'm sure charges will be brought.
For Real

Hyattsville, MD

#30 Nov 19, 2012
None of us have upheld this Ann lady so is it your blind or just dont understand. I'm gonna say this one more time. I do not know this lady or nor do I care about her.
I simply stated how can Mr. Lee take charges on this 1 lady when there's numerous woman out there that has done and still does what this lady done. I also stated that there should be a law before an arrest is made. Its almost as if Lee sets in his office and thinks of stuff to make an arrest. All I want to know is how can someone be arrested for a law that doesn't even exist. We as people have laws that we have to obey and as far as I know there's no law that says if a woman is pregnant and does drugs that kill there unborn child has to be arrested and convicted.
I have not once upheld this lady nor will I ever. I just know there's several ladies pregnant and abuse drugs so how can this one lady be singled out for a crime that so many commit? Anyone in their right mind would not upheld a mother of a baby that dies from there drug abuse. So once again IM NOT IN ANYWAY TAKING THIS WOMAN'S SIDE.
Come on I know you people can read if not get someone to help you read this.
What this lady done is down right ridiculous and I do not like any woman that has done this but there's so many more that still today take drugs while pregnant and deliver addicted babies some make it and have a list of problems some dont make it. This has got to stop!!!
There's doctors in Lebanon VA that see pregnant woman for there addiction and puts them on subutex all week every week. This is where u people need to rally. I dont think they should get to have there babies cause I see it they act like there doing the right thing when over 50% fell there drug test every time. So pass this law and start doing something about this. Arresting one person will not solve the problem.
Jackie shelton

Danielson, CT

#31 Mar 14, 2013
pooping crow wrote:
as far as I know ann had never used hard drugs and yes I know any drug is not good but I just do not believe the drugs were the main thing to blame in this that guy did beat the hell our of her the entire time she was pregnant. But that's all I've got to say about it BC no I do not know the extent of the situation, but why in the hell did Jackie Lester Shelton not get thrown under the jail? She shot dope many times a day with that poor child inside her worthless ass, and it was dead in get for two months and she did nothing about it. That woman deserves the max
. Probably because you don't know the situation it wasn't over drugs and it wasn't two months
For Real

Somerville, VA

#32 Mar 16, 2013
Then since you know so much what else are they to know. If im not mistaken the paper said she's up for manslaughter because her baby died do to drugs. So if that's not it then tell why she's up for manslaughter.
Anns friend

Myrtle Beach, SC

#33 Mar 16, 2013
To all of that knows so damn much when really you know nothing. Ann didn't even know she was having a baby until she was already 4 months. This woman has grown kids and she couldn't wait to have a girl she wouldn't have done anything to have hurt that baby she still grieves to this day. Ann has never been a dope head so whatever happen you people need to talk shit about a real pregnant dope head and there are plenty out there.
Doran

Port Republic, VA

#34 Mar 16, 2013
Is Lori Knuckles in the same situation as Ann? I have heard some people say they weren't sure and after a year then they would press charges.... I don't understand why the wait?
For Real

Somerville, VA

#35 Mar 16, 2013
Your right my point throughout this whole discussion. So many have killed there babies due to drugs so wtf is the difference.
Like I've always said I do not know this Ann lady but why punish 1 when so many others have done the same crime and Doran your right that's a damn good example. Bottom line you can't single anyone you want out MR. FREAKING LEW

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