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Richardson ISD has figure in mind for starting teacher pay: $45,800

There are 18 comments on the The Dallas Morning News story from Feb 28, 2010, titled Richardson ISD has figure in mind for starting teacher pay: $45,800. In it, The Dallas Morning News reports that:

The Richardson school district let slip a secret recently: its proposed starting salaries for next year's new teachers.

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DallasCowboy

Dallas, TX

#1 Mar 3, 2010
You have got to be kidding me!!!$45,800 for a starting teacher? And that's for a person that more than likely can't find a job so they fall back on teaching.On top of this is all those benefits for working 180 days a year. Add up all the benefits and the number of days these people work and they have one of the highest paying jobs in many Texas communities. On top of they they get outstanding benefits and do a little extra, like tutoring or coaching, and they will pay you even more.These first year teachers are a "sad sack'.You have heard the tern "scraping the bottom of the barrel". Well that comes from our past experience of hiring first year teachers. We literally have to scrap the barrel and general take what the rest of the market has turned down. Now we must pay $45800(plus benefits)---GIVE ME A BREAK!!!
DallasCowboy

Dallas, TX

#2 Mar 3, 2010
I know---I got a few misspelled words----which no doubt some rookie teacher will soon correct me. Go ahead---make my day!
TylerDurden

Fort Worth, TX

#3 Mar 5, 2010
You didn't finish school...did you? Is that why you are upset...because you don't even get paid that much? Wait, I know...your pissed off because some teacher made you do homework, therefore you quit trying and eventually dropped out of school?

I am a teacher and if I got paid for "babysitting" as you may have well said earlier, for each student I came in contact with even WITH the summer off, I would make over $300,000.00 dollars a year.

I also used to coach. It averaged to about .83 a day!

We teach because we care and try to help illiterate assholes like yourself make something of yourself.

No doubt, as well, I'll be seeing your son or daughter in alternative school because you set the standard!
Mckinney Mom

Dallas, TX

#4 Mar 5, 2010
TylerDurden wrote:
You didn't finish school...did you? Is that why you are upset...because you don't even get paid that much? Wait, I know...your pissed off because some teacher made you do homework, therefore you quit trying and eventually dropped out of school?
I am a teacher and if I got paid for "babysitting" as you may have well said earlier, for each student I came in contact with even WITH the summer off, I would make over $300,000.00 dollars a year.
I also used to coach. It averaged to about .83 a day!
We teach because we care and try to help illiterate assholes like yourself make something of yourself.
No doubt, as well, I'll be seeing your son or daughter in alternative school because you set the standard!
Your response to DallasCowboy may not have made his day, but it sure made mine!
LouisvilleCowboy

Dallas, TX

#5 Mar 6, 2010
Sorry but your teaching degree won't even come close to the degrees hanging on my wall. That is not the point. There are many well educated and in some cases even well qualified graduates whom employers will have to start at way less than $45000 a year as these out of college young people just cannot contribute back to the company enough to warrant a large starting salary. I can understand where you are coming from. It's not your money paying the kids. "It's free money" RIGHT? It's just tax money and those of us that pay for half dozen teachers a year have just about reached our limit. Now let's see---you are a teacher that is "pissed off" and that's your language---not mine. You are just the example I wish I could have used when my children were in school. What a great roll model! And then you go on with some additional name calling.Then you attack my children----another great example for a teacher. It's obvious that you don't have the capacity to be a good teacher. That's sad as you no doubt hate going to work each day. Perhaps you could get a job that is better suited for your mentality and work ethics. But what would that be???? PS McKinney Mom---I trust you are not the same caliber teacher as the earlier writer. I know----he is not really a teacher and you aren't either. Getting replies from people like you both is quite interesting and while the replies make my day---it's the people writing the replies I feel sorry for.
McKinneyChecker

Dallas, TX

#6 Mar 7, 2010
In tracing a couple of ISPs we noticed the writers are not connected with any school district.They are apparently not even teachers. With the language of one of them it was quite obvious, as one would have been a very poor teacher. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.
Local Greenville Dude

United States

#7 Mar 7, 2010
LouisvilleCowboy wrote:
Sorry but your teaching degree won't even come close to the degrees hanging on my wall.
For all of which you can thank a teacher.
RockwallCowbiy

Dallas, TX

#8 Mar 8, 2010
"Thanking a teacher"--how many times have I heard such an empty remark. Thanks for not teaching me about history or better yet, you not knowing about history. Teaching me how to use math---oh sure---I was so far ahead of you by the 6th grade it was not even funny. Teaching me about geography---sure when you had never been further that 300 miles from Rockwall. Teaching me about civics----oh sure when you had no ideal who the Senators and Congressmen were from our state. And when it came to the Constitution and Bill of Rights you did not know which was which. Teaching me about subjects in which you did not have a clue.There were some very good teachers, however they were the exception. They actually wanted to teach and did not look upon their job as "just another day at school". They did not constantly blame the administration and the parents for their shortcomings.These are the teachers that got to know the parents of the students and displayed an interest in working to help each individual student improve. These are the teachers that invited the parents to sit down with them and discuss issues, problems or progress of the student.These are the teachers that aren't afraid to sit with the students during lunch in the cafeteria. These are the teachers that actually look after the grade school students on the playground during recess. These are the teachers that don't stay at school way into the night. These are the teachers that have a classroom setting that contributes to learning rather than a messy, disorganized room that makes learning hard. These are the real teachers.
Concerned parent

Arlington, TX

#9 Mar 14, 2010
DallasCowboy wrote:
I know---I got a few misspelled words----which no doubt some rookie teacher will soon correct me. Go ahead---make my day!
I like you!!! Thanks for sticking up for us! I had a teacher try to pick on my spelling too. Who the heck do they think they are!!!
Concerned parent

Arlington, TX

#10 Mar 14, 2010
Mckinney Mom wrote:
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Your response to DallasCowboy may not have made his day, but it sure made mine!
Do not pick on the Dallas Cowboy!! The teacher writing has no compassion. I would love to know which school she teaches for.
Concerned parent

Arlington, TX

#11 Mar 14, 2010
Tyler Burden, Do not make parents feel stupid. We pay your salary. We should be able to set the limit you get paid!!!!
RockwallCowboy

Dallas, TX

#12 Apr 8, 2010
OK---Is it time to start cutting teacher pay? Why?---just read some of the things posted on TOPIX and one can easily see that teachers are not doing their job. The language and sentences used with respect to some topics just don't make any sense. So what's behind this ----those teachers that can't teach , yet want a pay raise. GIVE ME A BREAK!!If I hit 150 playing major league baseball---do I deserve a pay raise next season?
Risd teacher

Lewisville, TX

#13 Oct 15, 2012
I work from 630-6 most days. I do extra things daily that help our students academically and in the real world that are no in my contract. My kids make over a year's growth each year I have taught. I teach at an under privileged school. Most days I buy student lunches, I eat with my students, I have meetings during my "break", and I do not complain a bit. I teach for the students. I teach because I love making a difference. I teach morals. I teach academics. I teach my students to respect everyone. I am sorry you clearly had a bad experience in school, but that is not the case for all. I had a hard time growing up, being adopted, and my TEACHER saved me. She touched me, and I I touch one child the ways she touched me... It is all worth it! Now, I get paid, if you do it hourly...$20/hour. I have a master degree and a bach degree. Go me :) overpaid?!? I think not.
Risd teacher

Lewisville, TX

#14 Oct 15, 2012
Risd teacher wrote:
I work from 630-6 most days. I do extra things daily that help our students academically and in the real world that are no in my contract. My kids make over a year's growth each year I have taught. I teach at an under privileged school. Most days I buy student lunches, I eat with my students, I have meetings during my "break", and I do not complain a bit. I teach for the students. I teach because I love making a difference. I teach morals. I teach academics. I teach my students to respect everyone. I am sorry you clearly had a bad experience in school, but that is not the case for all. I had a hard time growing up, being adopted, and my TEACHER saved me. She touched me, and I I touch one child the ways she touched me... It is all worth it! Now, I get paid, if you do it hourly...$20/hour. I have a master degree and a bach degree. Go me :) overpaid?!? I think not.
Not** in my contract
Dee

Aurora, CO

#15 Sep 18, 2014
Risd teacher wrote:
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Not** in my contract
It is really sad that many teachers have to go to work teaching any where from 15 to 25 students in a classroom, trying to make sure everyone gets it, spend plenty of their money on their students. Unless you are a supervisor, manager or CEO of a company you only have to do..... A.... specific job. Not 10. Teachers wear many hats. When did $45,000, become so much money?????? That is unbelievable and I have to say, that is not much money. In 10 years the teacher won't increase 10 thousand. I'm at a loss fire words on this one.$45,000, is not enough!!
Rockwall resident

Rockwall, TX

#16 Sep 23, 2014
So sick of the whining from teachers. You see, most intelligent people look into what a job pays before deciding to go get the education for that job. Did all you teachers not know what this job pays? Also, stop patting yourself on the back for what you do. This is your job. Just do the things you think you do so honorably as part of the job..
Texas Teacher

Ben Wheeler, TX

#17 Apr 7, 2016
Wow. These comments are very sobering.

I never realized just how finite the general public's understanding of a Teacher's job is. Currently I teach four different courses for a total of seven periods per day. I sponsor a club (non-paid position and coach an academic team (costs me money out of my own pocket to do so - but I do get the satisfaction of winning). After teaching for 7 periods, I'm allotted 47 minutes per day (2 minutes over the state minimum) to plan lessons, create lesson material, grade papers, complete compliance/training programs and communicate with parents.

In case your wondering; 120 students x 1 assignment per student x 3 minutes to grade each (it usually takes closer to 5, just making a point here) is 6 hours worth of grading. You can see where I'm going here. I work 60-70 hours per week. I work 187 days per year according to the school calendar but in actuality you can add at least one day per weekend onto that as well. In the end, I work more hours per year than a person who works 40 hours per week for 50 weeks of the year by a significant margin.

Many of these schools must pay higher salaries because there simply are not enough qualified individuals who are willing to work those hours. It's the same reason that despite the high starting salary, most new teachers will not remain in the profession for more than 5 years. It is a high energy, high stress job. Most people don't realize that Public school Teachers also lose their SS benefits. They pay into TEA retirement system and even if they worked 10 years in the private sector, they lose most of those benefits. Even if their spouse passes, they do not get survivor benefits. Because of the number of retired teachers our health insurance is high as well. In addition, the behavior and apathy of many school children can add to the overall stress of the position and can contribute to the high rate of teacher turn over.

I know many of you will not understand. You will continue to think that teachers are teachers because that's their plan B. I will just say that I have never thought about being anything else since I was a high school student myself. The truth is that most of us are highly educated (I don't have a teaching degree I have a "real world" education/degree because I thought content over pedagogy would be most helpful to me) and we truly care about your children and the impact that they will have on society and future generations. Often our students become like a second family which is why so many of us give up our personal time for their benefit.

But even if you're not convinced that a teacher is worth/worthy of RISD's starting salary, It really boils down to simple economics. If you have a position that few people are willing to do or willing to do well, you must pay more and more until you reach a tipping point where you can get the people you're looking for.

Imagine a world in which teacher's really were just babysitters and you never knew if your son or daughter would have a different teacher from one day to the next. Students really didn't learn to read, write and think critically and analytically. That is a world that would be frightening indeed.
Jenny

Arvada, CO

#18 Apr 17, 2016
Eat at Tokyo Joe's...healthy and affordable and it tastes great!

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