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Remembrance Sunday: Tributes To The Fallen

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Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#360 Nov 23, 2012
mick rock wrote:
<quoted text>The ira are still killing ,murdering and beating and the rest of your observations should surprise me accordig to you,well they do not,just more terrorist supporting shameful one sided crap - HANG YOUR HEAD LOW !
Why was the Ulster Defence Regiment (British Army) full of Loyalist paramilitaries? Why was there so much collusion? Here's an interesting article

http://www.thedetail.tv/issues/20/udr-girdwoo...

''The British army has been accused of a ícover upí after it was disclosed that it has withheld evidence for more than three decades revealing that UDR units were being used to finance and support the UVF in Belfast, with at least 70 soldiers on one base linked to the loyalist terror group.''

''Army chiefs feared that 70 soldiers in one UDR unit were linked to the UVF in west Belfast, including one member of the notorious Shankill Butcher gang;''

''One UDR unit was suspected of siphoning-off £47,000 to the UVF while UDR equipment was regularly stolen from another unit to support the loyalist terror group;''

''UVF members were regularly allowed to socialise at the UDRís Girdwood barracks social club;''

''Army chiefs considered secretly testing firing UDR soldiersí weapons to check whether they had been used in sectarian murders;''

''A female clerk told SIB investigators that an unnamed UDR soldier had ordered her to hand over £300 each month to the UVF or her daughter would be targeted.''

''Army chiefs were subsequently informed that equipment stolen from another UDR unit on the same base was being used to equip the UVF.''

''The investigation revealed that UVF paramilitaries, who had no legitimate connection to the UDR, were allowed to socialise in the unitís mess inside the army base.''

''It was only disclosed years later that McIlwaine had led a double life as a UDR soldier and Shankill Butcher.''

''Now these papers prove they had evidence of collusion between the UDR and UVF but they covered it up for 34 years.''

Any answers to that?

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#361 Nov 23, 2012
elephant in the room wrote:
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No.
The pallies started it first, three rockets fired just hours after the ceasefire.
So that gives them the right to shoot an innocent man dead?

Strange concept....
elephant in the room

London, UK

#362 Nov 23, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
So that gives them the right to shoot an innocent man dead?
Strange concept....
You can prove he was innocent?

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#363 Nov 23, 2012
elephant in the room wrote:
<quoted text>
You can prove he was innocent?
Unarmed man shot because he was putting a flag on a fence.

The Israeli's haven't said he was armed. Apparently they're ''looking into it'', how convienient.

I have a video of what happened shortly after is anyone (bar the Israelis of course) armed in this video?



Is putting a flag on a fence a capital crime? It appears the Israeli's think so.

First they shoot a 9 year old boy BEFORE all the trouble escalated. Now this.

And they wonder why there is trouble?
elephant in the room

London, UK

#364 Nov 23, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
Unarmed man shot because he was putting a flag on a fence.
The Israeli's haven't said he was armed. Apparently they're ''looking into it'', how convienient.
Why should Israel justify their actions to the likes of you.

Put it this way, would you approach a hornets nest, punch it, and then complain when they swarm you?

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#365 Nov 23, 2012
elephant in the room wrote:
<quoted text>
Why should Israel justify their actions to the likes of you.
Put it this way, would you approach a hornets nest, punch it, and then complain when they swarm you?
Why does Isarael kill innocent civilians then bitch and whine when they get a hard time about it?

Do they think they have a right to behave differently than other countries?

What gave them the right?

So the Palestinian women and kids that were killed approached the ''hornets nestand and punched it''?

Get real. You would condemn your beloved friends for killing kids, if you have any dignity.....

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#366 Nov 23, 2012
Assad, Gaddafi, etc all monsters in the eyes of the British press.

Israel goes and kills a bunch of civlians. Nah thats ok....

Hypocrites....
rio

UK

#367 Nov 23, 2012
elephant in the room wrote:
<quoted text>
Those pesky Zionists didn't do a very good job did they, considering how many Israeli arabs there are, 20% of Israels population, you'd have thought if ethnic cleansing was on their agenda they'd have cleaned up their own backyard first.
You argument doesn't bode well does it.
No, you are right, they didn't do a good job and couldn't manage to get rid of all of the Palestinians: a ceasefire was imposed before they could do that.
But since, Israeli Arabs have been kept as token gesture and treated as second class citizen in their own land!
They have representatives at the Knesset, but aren't free to move!

My arguments bodes very well, that's why Israel has be the subject of 180 UN resolutions against its policies since 1948!
It's on record; Israel is the country which had the most resolution against!
elephant in the room

London, UK

#368 Nov 23, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
Why does Isarael kill innocent civilians then bitch and whine when they get a hard time about it?
Do they think they have a right to behave differently than other countries?
What gave them the right?
So the Palestinian women and kids that were killed approached the ''hornets nestand and punched it''?
Get real. You would condemn your beloved friends for killing kids, if you have any dignity.....
Because maybe the innocent women and children aren't quite so innocent after all.

http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails....

Innocent Palestinian woman, late 30's tries to stab Israeli border guard.

Are those who fired the 12 rockets from gaza, so far, after the ceasefire innocent too?
rio

UK

#369 Nov 23, 2012
elephant in the room wrote:
<quoted text>
You can prove he was innocent?
Funny, "elephant in the room" appears suddenly on this thread, espousing some well known positions, and echoing the same posts.

A new participant?

I don't thin so...
elephant in the room

London, UK

#370 Nov 23, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
Assad, Gaddafi, etc all monsters in the eyes of the British press.
Israel goes and kills a bunch of civlians. Nah thats ok....
Hypocrites....
And yet your heart bleeds for the racist and genocidal Hamas.



Let's be clear about this, their problem isn't exclusively about Israelis, or zionists, they wan't the annihilation of Jews through out the whole world!
elephant in the room

London, UK

#371 Nov 23, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
Funny, "elephant in the room" appears suddenly on this thread, espousing some well known positions, and echoing the same posts.
A new participant?
I don't thin so...
What ever, rionan.
rio

UK

#372 Nov 23, 2012
elephant in the room wrote:
<quoted text>
Because maybe the innocent women and children aren't quite so innocent after all.
http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails....
Innocent Palestinian woman, late 30's tries to stab Israeli border guard.
Are those who fired the 12 rockets from gaza, so far, after the ceasefire innocent too?
So, she was born in oppression under Israeli military occupation; how can she dare to resist with a knife, eh?

Never heard of David and Goliath? The Israelis have forgotten that story...

With that kind of mentality, no one in Europe should have resisted the NAZIs, eh?

NAZIs yesterday = Israelis today !

Invasion + occupation + extermination... it's the same programme.

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#373 Nov 23, 2012
elephant in the room wrote:
<quoted text>
Because maybe the innocent women and children aren't quite so innocent after all.
http://www.nowlebanon.com/NewsArticleDetails....
Innocent Palestinian woman, late 30's tries to stab Israeli border guard.
Are those who fired the 12 rockets from gaza, so far, after the ceasefire innocent too?
Thats in the West Bank, not Gaza.

So you think all the dead women and kids killed are guilty?

Why did she try stab him? What did he do? Article doesn't go into that does it. Obviously she shouldn't have tried to stab him that was wrong.

What about this back in 2010?

http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/11030

Israeli sniped shoots dead two women carrying a white flag. Gets 45 days in prison for it. Israeli justice.....

''the Abu Hajaj family evacuated their home after it was hit by an Israeli tank shell.

"When they saw tanks about 150 meters from them, two of them waved the (white) flags, and the children in the group sat on the ground,"

"Suddenly, and without warning, shots were fired at the residents, killing Majda Abu Hajaj on the spot. Her mother, Riyeh Abu Hajaj, was severely wounded by the gunfire," it said. She later died of her wounds.

Thats justified too is it? Waving a white flag is a threat is it?

Since: Nov 10

Dublin

#374 Nov 23, 2012
elephant in the room wrote:
<quoted text>
And yet your heart bleeds for the racist and genocidal Hamas.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =YKeAVBYAbn0XX
Let's be clear about this, their problem isn't exclusively about Israelis, or zionists, they wan't the annihilation of Jews through out the whole world!
Your heart bleeds for your Israeli heroes does it?

Here's an Israeli Rabbi calling for the annihilation of all Palestinians. Oh this Rabbi is also linkoed to the Israeli Government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

Their problem isn't just about Hamas, they want the annihilation of all the Palestinians.....
rio

UK

#375 Nov 23, 2012
elephant in the room wrote:
<quoted text>
What ever, rionan.


Touchť I think!!!
rio

UK

#376 Nov 23, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
Your heart bleeds for your Israeli heroes does it?
Here's an Israeli Rabbi calling for the annihilation of all Palestinians. Oh this Rabbi is also linkoed to the Israeli Government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =NrOW4df3H68XX
Their problem isn't just about Hamas, they want the annihilation of all the Palestinians.....
There are extremists on both sides, that's for sure.

But our Western media only pick on the Arab/Muslim ones and conveniently forget that Israel has its extremists too.
mick rock

UK

#377 Nov 23, 2012
Dubbadub wrote:
<quoted text>
Why was the Ulster Defence Regiment (British Army) full of Loyalist paramilitaries? Why was there so much collusion? Here's an interesting article
http://www.thedetail.tv/issues/20/udr-girdwoo...
''The British army has been accused of a ícover upí after it was disclosed that it has withheld evidence for more than three decades revealing that UDR units were being used to finance and support the UVF in Belfast, with at least 70 soldiers on one base linked to the loyalist terror group.''
''Army chiefs feared that 70 soldiers in one UDR unit were linked to the UVF in west Belfast, including one member of the notorious Shankill Butcher gang;''
''One UDR unit was suspected of siphoning-off £47,000 to the UVF while UDR equipment was regularly stolen from another unit to support the loyalist terror group;''
''UVF members were regularly allowed to socialise at the UDRís Girdwood barracks social club;''
''Army chiefs considered secretly testing firing UDR soldiersí weapons to check whether they had been used in sectarian murders;''
''A female clerk told SIB investigators that an unnamed UDR soldier had ordered her to hand over £300 each month to the UVF or her daughter would be targeted.''
''Army chiefs were subsequently informed that equipment stolen from another UDR unit on the same base was being used to equip the UVF.''
''The investigation revealed that UVF paramilitaries, who had no legitimate connection to the UDR, were allowed to socialise in the unitís mess inside the army base.''
''It was only disclosed years later that McIlwaine had led a double life as a UDR soldier and Shankill Butcher.''
''Now these papers prove they had evidence of collusion between the UDR and UVF but they covered it up for 34 years.''
Any answers to that?
Aye,you are pointing out the obvious but your point again is one sided and blames the one community.It is getting pathetic and becoming a boring loop of crap

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#378 Nov 23, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
So, she was born in oppression under Israeli military occupation; how can she dare to resist with a knife, eh?
Never heard of David and Goliath? The Israelis have forgotten that story...
With that kind of mentality, no one in Europe should have resisted the NAZIs, eh?
NAZIs yesterday = Israelis today !
Invasion + occupation + extermination... it's the same programme.
Can't you be honest, about THIS INCIDENT?
elephant in the room

London, UK

#379 Nov 23, 2012
rio wrote:
<quoted text>
No, you are right, they didn't do a good job and couldn't manage to get rid of all of the Palestinians: a ceasefire was imposed before they could do that.
But since, Israeli Arabs have been kept as token gesture and treated as second class citizen in their own land!
They have representatives at the Knesset, but aren't free to move!
My arguments bodes very well, that's why Israel has be the subject of 180 UN resolutions against its policies since 1948!
It's on record; Israel is the country which had the most resolution against!
Israeli arabs have the same rights as Israeli Jews, which is a hell of a lot more than any islamic country. Israel has never tried to rid the West Bank of arabs, they only want their own state. They didn't have to return Sinai or the Golan Heights, they did so as an act of peace. Should have kept them, if you ask me.

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