Kentucky Kasper law
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War Veteran

Louisville, KY

#25 Mar 3, 2013
I am a disabled vet who suffers from chronic pain due to a rare form of arthritis that effects over half the joints in my body at this time. I can say that this law does indeed hurt the honest people out there for a fact.
Reality

Russell, KY

#26 Mar 6, 2013
Reality wrote:
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I totally agree with u but how the heck do we fight it? I meant the law makers when I said ignorance is bliss. My mom suffers daily she is in her 70's and can barely walk now because her family Dr gave her 10 Lortab 5mg & referred her to a specialist in the same month. The specialist gave her another script for the same medication, she filled it not knowing it was wrong & now she is on the Kasper list & can barely walk. What can we do it is crazy. We can still go down the corner here where I live and buy from some dealer but I wouldn't but to see her in so much pain makes it tempting.
Exactly what happened to my mom. I have no idea how to fight it. She contacted an attorney but it is slow going
MC citizen

Whitley City, KY

#27 Mar 17, 2013
fed up with lazy men wrote:
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Well, let us know how that works out for you. Its a funny thing but the true addict never wants to try any alternative treatments that might help their pain like exercise, pt, hot and cold therapy. I think every one of you is happy as long as you have your pain pills, mountain dew, and cigarettes. So you're destroying your liver, lungs, stomach and teeth-if you have any left.
You are right. All this has done is make it more difficult for honest people in pain to get help. The druggies will still get what they want.
MC citizen

Whitley City, KY

#28 Mar 17, 2013
Chronic pain exists. We all know it, but those who are lucky enough not to endure it just dont understand what it is to live in constant, unrelenting pain every day. And contrary to what seems to be popular opinion, we are not all mt. Dew drinking, uneducated smokers with no teeth. What the lawmakers are doing is making sure that honest people who are in pain are going to stay in pain. Pill heads will still get their highs. They'll still be happy. The rest of us just have to grin and bear it. I'll bet those same lawmakers won't have any problem getting pain meds if they need it though.
wonder

Elkview, WV

#30 Apr 27, 2013
How far back do they go on kasper? If u have drug charges does it tell
Edward Gilpin

Ft Mitchell, KY

#32 Jun 16, 2013
My family and I are against this law and were wondering if anyone on here has created or knows a site where we could sign a petition against the law. Doctors are scared to do their job and have hurt the ones around us. We want to end this before it gets out of control without waiting for elections so any information about petitions created fighting this law would be helpful.
Jay Rod

Louisville, KY

#33 Jul 5, 2013
A KASPER report is only documentation of when and where a person fills a script for controlled substances. It doesn't mean that physicians can't prescribe pain meds. It only means that patients can't go to different doctors and pharmacies "shopping" for meds.
fyi

Morehead, KY

#35 Dec 15, 2013
Wrong Jay Rod, doctors blame house bill 1 for not being able to give pain medication!!! Think before your idiot butt speaks, please you fool.
Paula

Campbellsville, KY

#36 Jan 13, 2014
I have been disabled for several years with Fibromyalgia & because of that, severe migraines, arthritis, severe back pain & MS I received disability. My doctor was giving me pain meds & muscle relaxers which helped some. I never have good days only some better days. I fell & broke both arms & hip & while I was in rehab for my hip the doctor in that facility had me taking pain meds every 4 hrs. but now my doctor cut into 2 pills a day & no muscle relaxers because he said on my drug test I had other drugs show up & not my pain meds. I had already told him & 2 nurses that I had not taken any pain meds for over a week. There was no way that I took the sleeping meds he said I had. I had not had any in almost 2 yrs.
My husband had a drug test that said he had meth & other street drugs but when they rececked it the same day they said the first one was a false positive & one of our neighbors test came back saying he had oxycontin. NOW BECAUSE OF MY MEDS BEING TAKEN AWAY I SUFFER TO THE POINT IF I KNEW I COULD NOT EVER HAVE MY MEDS AGAIN I HAD RATHER DIE.
Concerned

Glasgow, KY

#40 Mar 13, 2014
Paula wrote:
I have been disabled for several years with Fibromyalgia & because of that, severe migraines, arthritis, severe back pain & MS I received disability. My doctor was giving me pain meds & muscle relaxers which helped some. I never have good days only some better days. I fell & broke both arms & hip & while I was in rehab for my hip the doctor in that facility had me taking pain meds every 4 hrs. but now my doctor cut into 2 pills a day & no muscle relaxers because he said on my drug test I had other drugs show up & not my pain meds. I had already told him & 2 nurses that I had not taken any pain meds for over a week. There was no way that I took the sleeping meds he said I had. I had not had any in almost 2 yrs.
My husband had a drug test that said he had meth & other street drugs but when they rececked it the same day they said the first one was a false positive & one of our neighbors test came back saying he had oxycontin. NOW BECAUSE OF MY MEDS BEING TAKEN AWAY I SUFFER TO THE POINT IF I KNEW I COULD NOT EVER HAVE MY MEDS AGAIN I HAD RATHER DIE.
did you get your medicine back and how did you do it ? Concerned!!!!
Agree

Whitley City, KY

#42 Apr 18, 2014
FFPCAN wrote:
I find it more and more dangerous that ignorance is acceptable and Pain is not...For those of you who think this is a great law let me give you something to think about...your mother or father or one of your grandparents heck lets go with YOURSELF has a heart attack today and is in need of open heart surgery, the surgery goes this way they cut you open break your breast bone, fix your heart and put everything back together seem OK so far right ? After spending a week in the hospital Crying out in pain and begging for something to help and they you you just the bear minimum to shut you up more than anything not looking to good now is it?? Now they release you from the hospital after a week you have stitches or staples from your stomach up to your neck it hurts to breath, wear clothes as they are touching where you have been cut and as you are discharged you are still begging the Doctors, nurses anyone for pain relief so the Dr tells the nurse to give you ONE LAST SHOT OF PAIN MEDS AND HE MAKES THIS ONE A LITTLE STRONGER.....wow your some what out of pain now they are going over the discharge paper work with your family and your family member or yourself ask about what pain medication you will be taking at home and the Doctor say Tylenol well you already know you have been in Hell for a week and that is not going to work so you ask the Dr why I need something stronger and he looks at you and says the following ' THERE IS NOTHING I CAN DO I CAN NOT WRITE YOU ANY PAIN MEDICATION EVEN THOUGH I KNOW YOU WILL NEED IT AND WHEN ASK WHY HE SAYS AND I QUOTE BLAME IT ON HOUSE BILL 1.....TRUE STORY....SO ALL YOU WHO THINK THIS IS A GREAT LAW THINK AGAIN !! I hear the stories every day as i am the Executive Director of Fight For Kentucky Pain Care Action Network !!https://www.facebook.com/gro ups/FFPCANkentucky/
. I am embarrassed to say I originally supported the bill, until I myself had medical needs bad pain go untreated. The drug addicts will still go to Florida, wherever to get there medication. Yet, the honest ones suffer and generally are in too much pain to think about driving across multiple states to "drug-seek"! It is also ironic that the few times they have prescribed a controlled they "drug test" me to ensure it is in my system. If I was a drug dealer all I would have to do is take one prior to my test!!! Do they not think drug dealers are smarter than this ?? So now my insurance and wait time just increases. Would be easier to go to a drug dealer at this point; cheaper and less hassle! The law has caused more damage than good in chronic pain patients.
TheresaKY

Louisville, KY

#43 Sep 4, 2014
I had went to the ER this past weekend for what I believed was Meningitas, ongoing migrane and flu like symptoms, and was first told about this law and even one of the nurses said that even with people with broken bones are not sent hom with drugs. In my case, I have been to the ER three times in my adult life. I don't have a primary physician ( I know not good) but hardly ever go to doctor. So I know they didn't check my file. I don't usually ever even want pain pills but once in a while you are in so much pain that is ongoing you just want relief. Seems to me the hosptials are just wanting to avoid getting in trouble and refusing people when they shouldn't.
cherie

Madisonville, KY

#44 Oct 23, 2014
fed up with lazy men wrote:
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Oh, I disagree, It shows exactly who is lying about the number of controlled drugs they receive and the number of doctors they visit, oh wait, I forgot they just 'forgot' about them. It is a great deterrent and its already in the works to add Tenn and other states. You can run but you can't hide.
My kasper is full of mistakes. I am as good as gold and have never abused medications yet cannot get any treatment for my agrophobia due to my pain. This is shamefull. I truly disagree with your comment. You'll not know until it happens to you. We live in a time when all of our rights are being taken slowly but surely so don't be so sure that Kasper is not just another way for the STATE (commonwealth) to keep you under their thrumb.
The Truth

Pine Knot, KY

#45 Oct 30, 2014
Old Miner wrote:
The only thing the Kasper law has done is make it Impossible for the honest person to get pain medications. one exception is it has run the price up on the street value. this should put plenty of money in circulation before Election time. I do hope the politicians taking the easy road out and sticking it to the man that has worked all his in low coal does sleep well. there should be plenty of drug money and drug votes around at Election time.
Old Miner, Kasper has made it harder for you to get meds? Run the street price up? Where are you getting your meds? The county is not as corrupt as a lot of people says, by any means. The county has a low tax base, few jobs, and a lot of people content to live off the government and then they teach their kids the same. Quit blaming the working people in government. Or do a better job, IF YOU CAN?
Robert A Adcock

Louisville, KY

#46 Oct 31, 2014
Old Miner wrote:
The only thing the Kasper law has done is make it Impossible for the honest person to get pain medications. one exception is it has run the price up on the street value. this should put plenty of money in circulation before Election time. I do hope the politicians taking the easy road out and sticking it to the man that has worked all his in low coal does sleep well. there should be plenty of drug money and drug votes around at Election time.
Reply: This has in fact been the case. Just as importantly in the absence of due process or prior conviction in law, the procedure of random sampling for illicit drugs simply because an opiate is required in the treatment of a legitimate malady touches on unreasonable search and seizure and is therefore unconstitutional. It does nothing to alleviate abuse or criminal activity. Compliant patients follow the physicians directions noncompliant patients may abuse the suggested regimen but this law is not the appropiate means to catch criminal activity. Law enforcement oversteps its authority in this manner.
Old time CNA

Maysville, KY

#47 Nov 17, 2014
Today is 11/17 I just tried to get my disabled son changed to my doctor and was told he was on kasper for a nerve pill and they could not take him as a new patient. Why was I trying to get him changed. to save missing two days of work a month. So it isn't just pain pills people. This past month I had to do a pee test for my doctor for restless leg and why? insurance doesn't pay this and was told this would be a monthly thing pee one week 30 dollar co pay and come the next 30 dollar co pay. to me it is a racket. We are not pill abusers! Never had been I hate taking meds period but yes they are doctor hoppers and thanks to them the rest suffer.But I have also found out living in the upper part of the state now instead of pills our youth is dying from heroin and meth. Just wondering how Kentucky is putting a cap on that. I watched my dad dye with cancer and it wasn't fun he was in pain. Why doctors to afraid to give needed meds.. I am slowly learning what that is like because of the high cost of an office visit and then the high co pays I have had to give up mine but what we had to have the most. sugar, blood pressure and to heck with the restless leg because staying awake crying in pain on a minimum wage part time job because there's not much work in the area is way better than bad credit over high doctor bills you can't even pay. I was not a pill seller neither was my son and my dad sure the heck wasn't but it is pretty sad when the doctors are afraid to help their patients because of this Kasper crap. this should have been used to show who was doctor chasing! And those people red flagged and then made to pee ect. or even watched by drug task enforcement. That's how you put a stop to pill dealers not make everyone else pay for someone else's mistakes! And those of you who think people don't have chronic pain think again. When it comes knocking at your own door or in your own family then let's see how you feel. and before any smart butt remark is made no I did not get prescribed pain meds for my legs!
tired of lazy men

Hudson, OH

#48 Dec 5, 2014
Robert A Adcock wrote:
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Reply: This has in fact been the case. Just as importantly in the absence of due process or prior conviction in law, the procedure of random sampling for illicit drugs simply because an opiate is required in the treatment of a legitimate malady touches on unreasonable search and seizure and is therefore unconstitutional. It does nothing to alleviate abuse or criminal activity. Compliant patients follow the physicians directions noncompliant patients may abuse the suggested regimen but this law is not the appropiate means to catch criminal activity. Law enforcement oversteps its authority in this manner.
I believe if you check you will find that the requirement for drug screening is not a part of the law itself but a recommendation of the Ky. Medical Society which states a drug screen should be ordered prior to prescribing and then every 90 days which is the same frequency as the Kasper is required. There is no mandate for frequency of appointments or any part of the law that says a physician can NOT prescribed a particular drug. The problem is that Ky doctors have long been guilty of inappropriately prescribing or overprescribing drugs of abuse. Too many uninformed people assume the law is to blame for many decisions that doctors are making on their own.
babs

Whitley City, KY

#49 Dec 16, 2014
tired of lazy men wrote:
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I believe if you check you will find that the requirement for drug screening is not a part of the law itself but a recommendation of the Ky. Medical Society which states a drug screen should be ordered prior to prescribing and then every 90 days which is the same frequency as the Kasper is required. There is no mandate for frequency of appointments or any part of the law that says a physician can NOT prescribed a particular drug. The problem is that Ky doctors have long been guilty of inappropriately prescribing or overprescribing drugs of abuse. Too many uninformed people assume the law is to blame for many decisions that doctors are making on their own.
wrong. the law requires no refills and no phone in, faxed, or electronic fillings. a physical appointment must be made and kept, and a paper prescription issued. and no prescription can be for more than 30 days worth. so that in fact means you do indeed have to visit your doctor monthly in order to get your much needed medication.
babs

Whitley City, KY

#50 Dec 16, 2014
Schedule II controlled substance prescriptions may not be faxed or called in to a pharmacy.

No refills are allowed by any practitioner for Schedule II controlled substances.

Controlled substance prescriptions must be signed and dated on the date issued by the prescriber.

Since: Dec 14

Whitley City, KY

#51 Dec 22, 2014
fed up with lazy men wrote:
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Well, let us know how that works out for you. Its a funny thing but the true addict never wants to try any alternative treatments that might help their pain like exercise, pt, hot and cold therapy. I think every one of you is happy as long as you have your pain pills, mountain dew, and cigarettes. So you're destroying your liver, lungs, stomach and teeth-if you have any left.
Seems like the truth hurts a lot of these people

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