Smoker fights ban to higher court

Full story: KRQE Albuquerque and New Mexico

Stephen Brown was so opposed to New Mexico's ban on smoking in public places that he got himself cited for lighting up in a Catron County bar just minutes after the new law took effect.

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What a loser this Putz is, he thinks the whole world should revolve around HIS harmful smoking habit. He said they were the only ones in the bar. Was it a self-service bar? No employees?
How oblivious to his surroundings and the people he's harming with his second hand smoke. Employees are not second class citizens. Second Hand Smoke is harmful and has no place in ANY business, public or private.
These smoking restrictions are passed to protect the employees of all businesses. Like it or not! They are being passed to protect the business owners from future lawsuits brought by current and former employees. With the overwhelming evidence about the hazards of second hand smoke, lawsuits will soon be on the horizon. The owners knew about the hazards and did nothing, the local, state and federal governments knew about the hazards of second hand smoke and did nothing. Well, now the local and state governments ARE finally implementing smoking restrictions fearing future major lawsuits the same as asbestos lawsuits happened a decade ago.
This guy is a loser, plain and simple.
Let us test your intellectual honesty.

Are you willing to apply the same ridiculous standard of "no safe level" to all forms of smoke that contain carcinogens...or only to those of your sides choosing?

Let's see what the EPA has to say about meat smoke shall we? Please take note of the fact that meat smoke is listed right there with tobacco smoke and tar....

Hhhhhmmm.

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/polycycl.ht...

Polycyclic organic matter (POM)(A)

The term polycyclic organic matter (POM) defines a broad class of compounds that includes the polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon compounds (PAHs), of which benzo[a]pyrene is a member. POM compounds are formed primarily from combustion and are present in the atmosphere in particulate form. Sources of air emissions are diverse and include cigarette smoke, vehicle exhaust, home heating, laying tar, and grilling meat. Cancer is the major concern from exposure to POM.
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How is this fair to the cooks who are forced to feed the selfish meat eating addicts? Must they go home reeking like burned meats with cooking grease in their hair...just so the meat eaters can enjoy their toxin of choice?

I thought this was about the right to smoke free air?

Will you claim safe levels for meat smoke, but none for tobacco smoke when they contain the same carcinogen?

That would take a pretty big hypocrite eh?

Just wait till some greedy lawyer figures this out and walks away with a few hundred million.

So sad...

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Smoke and Choke wrote:
They are being passed to protect the business owners from future lawsuits
what a bunch of bull. Courts would look at the person suings own personal responsibility and the fact theat they were not kidnapped and forced to enter any privately owned business. You are such a putz

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Federal Court reverses Geneva smoking ban
Smokers in Geneva will be able to light up again in public buildings after the country's supreme court reversed the canton's smoking ban, in force since July 1.
The judgement puts a dent in the nationwide anti-smoking trend with voters in Zurich and Basel voting on Sunday in favour of more restrictive smoking regulations in line with existing practice in several other cantons.

The Federal Court annulled the ruling by the Geneva cantonal government on the grounds that the legal basis for the ban was faulty. The law should first have been adopted by the cantonal parliament before the government exercised its veto.

The pre-emptive power of the local government to make police decisions is only meant to be called upon in cases of serious or imminent danger, which cannot be dealt with under ordinary procedure.

The need to impose a smoking ban in the interest of public health did not constitute such an urgent situation, according to the Federal Court. Almost 80 per cent of the electorate voted for a ban on smoking in public places in February, prompting the government to act quickly.

Since July, anyone daring to smoke in a public building, bar or restaurant in Geneva has risked a fine of SFr100 ($90.95) to SFr1,000. Several individuals had appealed against the legality of the ban

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Smoke and Choke wrote:
What a loser this Putz is, he thinks the whole world should revolve around HIS harmful smoking habit. He said they were the only ones in the bar. Was it a self-service bar? No employees?
How oblivious to his surroundings and the people he's harming with his second hand smoke. Employees are not second class citizens. Second Hand Smoke is harmful and has no place in ANY business, public or private.
These smoking restrictions are passed to protect the employees of all businesses. Like it or not! They are being passed to protect the business owners from future lawsuits brought by current and former employees. With the overwhelming evidence about the hazards of second hand smoke, lawsuits will soon be on the horizon. The owners knew about the hazards and did nothing, the local, state and federal governments knew about the hazards of second hand smoke and did nothing. Well, now the local and state governments ARE finally implementing smoking restrictions fearing future major lawsuits the same as asbestos lawsuits happened a decade ago.
This guy is a loser, plain and simple.
You know one car every .8 of a mile puts out 162 million cigarettes of carbon monoxide, 1.2 billion cigarettes of nitrous oxide. That is like millions of smokers all in the same place at the same time trying to keep up with one Car. 68 million registered cars on the road. This is not counting all other gas an diesel engines. This compared to smoking is like comparing the sun to a candle. So lets put out the candle. cars are the pollution that is causing most cancer.
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The Nazis started with smoking bans. Any one who supports high taxes on legal items, bans on legal items Are not true Americans. What do you think our Forefathers fought for. So if you support bans and high taxes you are a Nazi. You do not like smoke stay the hell away from it.
if you are a TRUE American, and I don't think you are, how do you know so much about what the nazi's did??? just curious, and as far as smoking goes, go on and smoke, smoke smoke your sorry BUTT off!!!!!!

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passing thru wrote:
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if you are a TRUE American, and I don't think you are, how do you know so much about what the nazi's did??? just curious, and as far as smoking goes, go on and smoke, smoke smoke your sorry BUTT off!!!!!!
True Americans are educated, unlike you.
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If the government wants to limit our exposure to things that are harmful to us...isn't that a good thing??

Yeah yeah there are lots of polution problems like cars and factories and they are working on improving those issues too. Nothing is perfect!! I don't see why it is such a big deal to ask smokers to go outside (where it is well ventilated) when they smoke.

If smelling paint was "the cool thing to do"... wouldn't you want me to go outside to do it?? If I am sitting next to you in a restaurant and I have several buckets of paint open, lol, you would probably be a little pissed off and want me to go outside right??

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if you are a TRUE American, and I don't think you are, how do you know so much about what the nazi's did??? just curious, and as far as smoking goes, go on and smoke, smoke smoke your sorry BUTT off!!!!!!
Unlike you I read. Unlike you I am not trying to give up what our forefathers fought and died for.

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If the government wants to limit our exposure to things that are harmful to us...isn't that a good thing??
Yeah yeah there are lots of polution problems like cars and factories and they are working on improving those issues too. Nothing is perfect!! I don't see why it is such a big deal to ask smokers to go outside (where it is well ventilated) when they smoke.
If smelling paint was "the cool thing to do"... wouldn't you want me to go outside to do it?? If I am sitting next to you in a restaurant and I have several buckets of paint open, lol, you would probably be a little pissed off and want me to go outside right??
You come off like you've been smelling lots of paint.

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if you are a TRUE American, and I don't think you are, how do you know so much about what the nazi's did??? just curious, and as far as smoking goes, go on and smoke, smoke smoke your sorry BUTT off!!!!!!
Here read a little bit about our forefathers that you and a lot of others are willing to give up.
http://www.homeworship101.com/wp_americans_wh...
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Cars kill people too. Let's ban them. People drown in swimming pools. Let's ban them. People die mountain climbing. Let's ban that. People die from everything. Let's ban all things so we can all live forever!!!!!
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Unlike you I read. Unlike you I am not trying to give up what our forefathers fought and died for.
I really don't give a sh!t what you think!!!!!
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Unlike you I read. Unlike you I am not trying to give up what our forefathers fought and died for.
"Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."

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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."
Your state is breathing free, of course its in deep financial trouble. Lots of unemployed,lots of home losses. Lots of business closing. But your breathing free. Guess the people working will have to make up the losses. Enjoy
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This thread has gotten way to deep for me to comment.
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skippy wrote:
Cars kill people too. Let's ban them. People drown in swimming pools. Let's ban them. People die mountain climbing. Let's ban that. People die from everything. Let's ban all things so we can all live forever!!!!!
Have no fear...big brother is already working on that...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/760...

People should consider eating less meat as a way of combating global warming, says the UN's top climate scientist.

Ms D'Silva believes that governments negotiating a successor to the Kyoto Protocol ought to take these factors into account.

"I would like governments to set targets for reduction in meat production and consumption," she said.

"That's something that should probably happen at a global level as part of a negotiated climate change treaty, and it would be done fairly, so that people with little meat at the moment such as in sub-Saharan Africa would be able to eat more, and we in the west would eat less."
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First they came for the smokers....

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Smoke and Choke wrote:
What a loser this Putz is, he thinks the whole world should revolve around HIS harmful smoking habit. He said they were the only ones in the bar. Was it a self-service bar? No employees?
How oblivious to his surroundings and the people he's harming with his second hand smoke. Employees are not second class citizens. Second Hand Smoke is harmful and has no place in ANY business, public or private.
These smoking restrictions are passed to protect the employees of all businesses. Like it or not! They are being passed to protect the business owners from future lawsuits brought by current and former employees. With the overwhelming evidence about the hazards of second hand smoke, lawsuits will soon be on the horizon. The owners knew about the hazards and did nothing, the local, state and federal governments knew about the hazards of second hand smoke and did nothing. Well, now the local and state governments ARE finally implementing smoking restrictions fearing future major lawsuits the same as asbestos lawsuits happened a decade ago.
This guy is a loser, plain and simple.
You have no proof that second hand smoke is harmful. As a matter of fact the latest ACS study shows that the lung cancer rates for non-smokers have remained unchanged since the 1930's. If second hand smoke were truly the cause of lung cancer in non-smokers the rates would have risen and fallen with the exposure rates. Since you people lied about that why should we believe anything you say???
http://banthebanwisconsin.wordpress.com/2008/...

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KHartman wrote:
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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."
Taking a few liberties there K. I remember you chastising Sheri for doing something similar. But then we always knew you antis were hypocrites!

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What a loser this Putz is, he thinks the whole world should revolve around HIS harmful smoking habit. He said they were the only ones in the bar. Was it a self-service bar? No employees?
How oblivious to his surroundings and the people he's harming with his second hand smoke. Employees are not second class citizens. Second Hand Smoke is harmful and has no place in ANY business, public or private.
These smoking restrictions are passed to protect the employees of all businesses. Like it or not! They are being passed to protect the business owners from future lawsuits brought by current and former employees. With the overwhelming evidence about the hazards of second hand smoke, lawsuits will soon be on the horizon. The owners knew about the hazards and did nothing, the local, state and federal governments knew about the hazards of second hand smoke and did nothing. Well, now the local and state governments ARE finally implementing smoking restrictions fearing future major lawsuits the same as asbestos lawsuits happened a decade ago.
This guy is a loser, plain and simple.
I suggest you take a good hard look at the so called evidence and then read the following blog
http://banthebanwisconsin.wordpress.com/2008/...
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