N.Y. legislators push gun safety measures

There are 156 comments on the The Ithaca Journal story from Jan 6, 2013, titled N.Y. legislators push gun safety measures. In it, The Ithaca Journal reports that:

Several state senators say new gun safety measures will be a priority when they return to Albany this week following the school shooting in Connecticut that left 20 children dead.

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bad times ahead

Lancaster, NY

#101 Jan 17, 2013
As you can see, the Barny Frank, Roseie ODonnell, type, frustrated liberal gun haters, can't stand the facts, so instead revert to perverted outbursts, which just further shows their frustration...sad, sad holophobes...
bad times ahead

Lancaster, NY

#102 Jan 17, 2013
oops, sorry for the typo, of course I meant 'hoplohobes', which as we all know is the 'irrational fear of weaponry'

“I'm Watching YOU”

Since: Jan 09

Ft. Lewis WA

#103 Jan 17, 2013
obarna vomit wrote:
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Yeah...that's what normal people think.
You, on the other hand, are not normal...you get off on guns, and that's just wierd. I know that you pretend that you have these guns to protect your family and hunt or whatever...but the truth is, you get off on them. Look, I'm a gun owner, and I've spent as much time around guns as any of you, so I know that the ranges are filled with wierdo's like you. You can't bu11shit me, pal. If you want to hunt, you only need a bolt-action or a five-shot clip in a semi - if you need more, you suck at hunting. If you want to protect your home, you need a 12 gauge shotgun. If you want to target shoot, you need a .22. Anything more and you're making up for a little wiener or something.
I've lived around people like you my whole life. You're chronically terrified people who live in a kind of delusional paranoia about our government or minorities or the Chinese or the U.N. You fear everything, and you see consipiracy in your alphabet soup.
You're not even smart enough to police your own group; you have zero political sense, which is why this ban was enacted. Within hours of the Newtown shooting, the NRA should have gotten on television and supported mental health checks, background checks at gun shows, and a limit to clip-size...but no, you all had to be selfish, chilish little a$$holes...and THAT's why you're seeing more gun control.
Your level of cluelessness is astounding, you have no clue of the facts, you only believe what the talking heads tell you. ANY expert will tell you that “spray” firing of any weapon is NOT accurate by any means.
Instead You people try to blame the law abiding people for All the crazies. For Years we have been trying to get Harsh Mandatory minimum sentences for violent crime. But you people claim it is prejudiced . If you commit a capital crime you should be given the death penalty. Instead you people let them out on parole after spending 17 years in prison for killing their mother with a hammer, Then you are surprised when they ILLEGALLY obtain a gun and kill someone else. People like you, and all the other people that knew these people were crazy and kept your mouths shut are the problem.
The NRA and other groups like them have been pushing for years to have harsher penalties for the crazies but the liberal judges, Doctors and politicians are so blind to the facts that they think you can “Rehabilitate” these crazies and murderers. Guess what it’s never happened and never will

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#104 Jan 17, 2013
Der Beobachter wrote:
<quoted text>Your level of cluelessness is astounding, you have no clue of the facts, you only believe what the talking heads tell you. ANY expert will tell you that “spray” firing of any weapon is NOT accurate by any means.
Instead You people try to blame the law abiding people for All the crazies. For Years we have been trying to get Harsh Mandatory minimum sentences for violent crime. But you people claim it is prejudiced . If you commit a capital crime you should be given the death penalty. Instead you people let them out on parole after spending 17 years in prison for killing their mother with a hammer, Then you are surprised when they ILLEGALLY obtain a gun and kill someone else. People like you, and all the other people that knew these people were crazy and kept your mouths shut are the problem.
The NRA and other groups like them have been pushing for years to have harsher penalties for the crazies but the liberal judges, Doctors and politicians are so blind to the facts that they think you can “Rehabilitate” these crazies and murderers. Guess what it’s never happened and never will
Once again, you simply don't understand that the general public doesn't give a rat's ass about the minutiae and nomenclature involved in your little world...we don't care that the term "spray" is being used incorrectly, we don't car about your definition of "assault weapon", we don't care about what the children in Newtown were shot with.

What we care about is not seeing any more children slaughtered. We don't want to watch 20 little coffins being buried...we don't want any more lives cut short because selfish people like you refuse to give up even one of your little toys. We want you childish little man-children to grow up and stop playing soldier. We want you to stop trying to bu11shit us into thinking that anyone other than the military and police needs those toys.

You want to know who is responsible for the latest round of anti-gun talk...look in the mirror.

Since: Jan 13

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#105 Jan 17, 2013
bad times ahead wrote:
As you can see, the Barny Frank, Roseie ODonnell, type, frustrated liberal gun haters, can't stand the facts, so instead revert to perverted outbursts, which just further shows their frustration...sad, sad holophobes...
I'm a gun owner. I've probably owned more guns in my lifetime that you. I've been a shooter for 30 years; so don't act like this is all the work of "gun-hating liberals".

When I was a kid, the NRA was a fine organization, dedicated to promoting the safe, responsible use and ownership of firearms. I can still remember how excited I was to get my first NRA Card. I remember attended an NRA-sponsored gun-safety course after I got my first .22. It was a good time to be a shooter; we had access to lots of firearms. Sure, we couldn't kill 50 people with one magazine, but then...we didn't see a need to.

But then something happened. Whack-jobs got hold of the NRA, and they turned it into a Second Amendment lobbying group. The organization began to attract the tinfoil-hat crowd of anti-government paranoids and survivalist loonies. As time went on, the NRA got wackier and wackier. The organization showed no sign of reason or common-sense; their mantra was that virtually anybody should be able to own any weapon, because that's what they interpreted the Constitution as saying.

Then the NRA started taking big money from firearms manufacturers. It was a dangerous combination of money and paranoia that fueled the production of para-military weapons like the AR-15. Shooting ranges and gun-clubs suddenly started seeing more and more kooks bringing in tricked-out AK-47's.

America is awash in high-capacity weapons that are in the hands of people who believe that they're going to use those weapons to fend off a tyranical government or protect themselves in a race-war. These delusional people see themselves banding together in a "Red Dawn" scenario to deafeat an invading enemy. These are the people on blogs who claim that this round of relatively minor gun-control actions are just one in a series of steps by the government which will end in us livnig under a "NAZI type regime". Some of these individuals are actually claiming that the Newtown massacre was actually just an elaborately-staged production designed to promote anti-gun sentiment.

Paranoid people with high-powered, high-capacity weapons somehow doesn't seem like a great idea.
ban what

Lancaster, NY

#106 Jan 17, 2013
Makes one wonder how a so called 'gun owner' could be so misinformed. So as a gun owner, you do realize, that nobody 'NEEDS' anything but a single shot shotgun, right? That is all that is 'NEEED' to take squirrel, bird, deer and for home defense. Who 'NEEDS' anything else, right?
Now let's review some facts, again. These latest bans, which of course ban guns for the way they look. For instance, an antique M-1 Carbine that has a bayonet lug, makes the ban list. But the exact same rifle without a lug, is OK. Also the legendary M-1 Garand, is a semi-auto with a bayonet lug, so it is probably also on the list, even though I don't recall one ever being used in a crime. Actually I don't remember anyone ever being robbed at bayonet point. And actually semi-auto rifles aren't really used in crime any way. 2011 FBI statistics show that only 323 deaths are 'rifle' related, and but a fraction thereof are actually semi-auto.

Since: Jan 13

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#107 Jan 17, 2013
ban what wrote:
Makes one wonder how a so called 'gun owner' could be so misinformed. So as a gun owner, you do realize, that nobody 'NEEDS' anything but a single shot shotgun, right? That is all that is 'NEEED' to take squirrel, bird, deer and for home defense. Who 'NEEDS' anything else, right?
Now let's review some facts, again. These latest bans, which of course ban guns for the way they look. For instance, an antique M-1 Carbine that has a bayonet lug, makes the ban list. But the exact same rifle without a lug, is OK. Also the legendary M-1 Garand, is a semi-auto with a bayonet lug, so it is probably also on the list, even though I don't recall one ever being used in a crime. Actually I don't remember anyone ever being robbed at bayonet point. And actually semi-auto rifles aren't really used in crime any way. 2011 FBI statistics show that only 323 deaths are 'rifle' related, and but a fraction thereof are actually semi-auto.
You still don't get it, do you? You're looking for logic in a emotional and political situation, and that's like looking for diamonds in a burrito.

20 children were killed. People want answers and they want something done, and they're not interested in "fair".

You should feel lucky that more guns didn't make the list, because you're right, there are lots of guns that are as - or nearly as - dangerous as your belived AR's...and if gun owners are stupid enough to continue to pursue that position...they might just find those weapons on the list, too. So, go ahead...keep jabbering about how your Ruger Mini 14 is equally as lethal as any AR...and let me know how that works out for you.

Since: Dec 12

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#108 Jan 17, 2013
You gun nuts had better understand that - when there are children invovled - America could give two sh*ts about your rights.

You're talking about wealthy suburbanites who will do anything to keep their kids safe, and your Second Amendment rights are on the table along with everything else.

You might as well go into the woods and start f**cking with a bear cub while it's mother is standing right there.
sheepleloveroyal ty

Bryn Mawr, PA

#109 Jan 17, 2013
obarna vomit wrote:
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You still don't get it, do you? You're looking for logic in a emotional and political situation, and that's like looking for diamonds in a burrito.
20 children were killed. People want answers and they want something done, and they're not interested in "fair".
You should feel lucky that more guns didn't make the list, because you're right, there are lots of guns that are as - or nearly as - dangerous as your belived AR's...and if gun owners are stupid enough to continue to pursue that position...they might just find those weapons on the list, too. So, go ahead...keep jabbering about how your Ruger Mini 14 is equally as lethal as any AR...and let me know how that works out for you.
You're right, people do want answers and something done. But how you can you answer/address the actual problem/cause of that shooting other than using hypothetical scnerios until there are answers. There are too many unanswered questions but to name a few.

-Was the mother actually neglegent giving her son open access to her weapons? Was there a secure case or cabinet?

-Was Adam Lanza actually under treatment and medication for a physcological problem? Aspergers isn't like depression or anxiety.

And if for no other reason to answer the numerous questions and/or misconceptions/misinformation say what actually happend-Lay it out for the public.

Even the state police investigating the shooting said their investigation will take monthS and yet permenant legislation is being formed and/or passed before the investigation/facts are all in. That's nothing but proof of exploitation of an event for an existing agenda.

Since: Dec 12

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#110 Jan 17, 2013
sheepleloveroyalty wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right, people do want answers and something done. But how you can you answer/address the actual problem/cause of that shooting other than using hypothetical scnerios until there are answers. There are too many unanswered questions but to name a few.
-Was the mother actually neglegent giving her son open access to her weapons? Was there a secure case or cabinet?
-Was Adam Lanza actually under treatment and medication for a physcological problem? Aspergers isn't like depression or anxiety.
And if for no other reason to answer the numerous questions and/or misconceptions/misinformation say what actually happend-Lay it out for the public.
Even the state police investigating the shooting said their investigation will take monthS and yet permenant legislation is being formed and/or passed before the investigation/facts are all in. That's nothing but proof of exploitation of an event for an existing agenda.
I'll say it for the fifteenth time..NOBODY CARES ABOUT THIS NONSENSE!

My God, how thick are you? There are 20 dead kids and people want action. They don't give a sh*t about Adam Lanza's mom or which gun he used...they only know that - if Lanza had no gun - their precious child would be alive.

Pull your head out of your ass.

Since: Dec 12

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#111 Jan 17, 2013
sheepleloveroyalty wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right, people do want answers and something done. But how you can you answer/address the actual problem/cause of that shooting other than using hypothetical scnerios until there are answers. There are too many unanswered questions but to name a few.
-Was the mother actually neglegent giving her son open access to her weapons? Was there a secure case or cabinet?
-Was Adam Lanza actually under treatment and medication for a physcological problem? Aspergers isn't like depression or anxiety.
And if for no other reason to answer the numerous questions and/or misconceptions/misinformation say what actually happend-Lay it out for the public.
Even the state police investigating the shooting said their investigation will take monthS and yet permenant legislation is being formed and/or passed before the investigation/facts are all in. That's nothing but proof of exploitation of an event for an existing agenda.
You want desperately to lay the blame for this tragedy on something or somebody other than firearms, but that's not going to happen. There are 20 dead kindegartners, and your philosophy on gun-ownership had a hand in that tragedy.

You want to blame Lanza's mom, the mental health system...everything but the fact that he used an assault weapon.

You're a gun-nut, and right now, you're just to the right of Satan to these people, only you're too stupid to figure that out. You're operating under the impression that this is pre-Newtown, but things are 180 degrees from six months ago...your backs are against the wall, and public sentiment is on the other side.

You're an ameteur trying to play in the NFL.
bad times ahead

Lancaster, NY

#112 Jan 17, 2013
This opressor bozo will never get it. Oblama and Chomo don't give to sh*ts about child safety! They are shamelessly shielding themselves with children while they push their lifelong left wing loon agenda on the rest of the country!
gun control failure

Lancaster, NY

#113 Jan 19, 2013
Talk about simple minded idiots, Ahhh, blame it on the gun?? Ahh, Really? This is obviously going to come as a surprise to these pinheads, but guns are inanimate objects! The gun can do nothing by itself! It needs a person to pick it up and do anything with it! These gun ban idiots are the epitome of hoplophobia!
One nutcase seeking his 15 weeks of fame in our sensationalizing media, after spending his life on the couch playing extremely violent video games...and it's the gun's fault???
Not to mention, that Connecticut has already had a semi-auto ban in place for many years, and an unprecedented 14 day waiting period for any long gun! So if anything, the tragic Newton CN, shooting screams of gun control failure!

“I'm Watching YOU”

Since: Jan 09

Ft. Lewis WA

#114 Jan 19, 2013
De Opresssor Liber wrote:
<quoted text>
You want desperately to lay the blame for this tragedy on something or somebody other than firearms, but that's not going to happen. There are 20 dead kindegartners, and your philosophy on gun-ownership had a hand in that tragedy.
You want to blame Lanza's mom, the mental health system...everything but the fact that he used an assault weapon.
You're a gun-nut, and right now, you're just to the right of Satan to these people, only you're too stupid to figure that out. You're operating under the impression that this is pre-Newtown, but things are 180 degrees from six months ago...your backs are against the wall, and public sentiment is on the other side.
You're an ameteur trying to play in the NFL.
Let me ask you something, You Claim This (( You want to blame Lanza's mom, the mental health system...everything but the fact that he used an assault weapon.))Then Why is it that the Police investigating the murder Say that lanza was armed with 4 hand guns, The AR-15 was in the trunk of the car. If you want the truth then Put it out there.
BUT no you only want to further your agenda, And you are just using the event for your gain. You Do Not care one little bit about those children, You Just DON'T LIKE Guns anything else is BS.

Women go out get pregnant and use abortion as a form of birth control Thousands upon Thousand die each year, You don't care.

You let Murders and Rapist Out of prison on parole so they can kill again, You don't care

A 5 year old kid points his finger at another kid Playing cops and robbers. OH MY GOD SUSPEND THE GUN NUT.

STOP trying to make people think you are thinking about the kids, Stop Ignoring the facts, the REAL facts
Jumper50

Troy, NY

#115 Jan 19, 2013
De Opresssor Liber wrote:
<quoted text>
You want desperately to lay the blame for this tragedy on something or somebody other than firearms, but that's not going to happen. There are 20 dead kindegartners, and your philosophy on gun-ownership had a hand in that tragedy.
You want to blame Lanza's mom, the mental health system...everything but the fact that he used an assault weapon.
You're a gun-nut, and right now, you're just to the right of Satan to these people, only you're too stupid to figure that out. You're operating under the impression that this is pre-Newtown, but things are 180 degrees from six months ago...your backs are against the wall, and public sentiment is on the other side.
You're an ameteur trying to play in the NFL.
Well your Nom De Plume says it all, The Oppressor of the Free And your avatar fits right along with it

Since: Jan 13

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#116 Jan 19, 2013
Jumper50 wrote:
<quoted text>Well your Nom De Plume says it all, The Oppressor of the Free And your avatar fits right along with it
Yours says that you're a jumper...do us a favor and make that true.

Since: Jan 13

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#117 Jan 19, 2013
Der Beobachter wrote:
<quoted text>Let me ask you something, You Claim This (( You want to blame Lanza's mom, the mental health system...everything but the fact that he used an assault weapon.))Then Why is it that the Police investigating the murder Say that lanza was armed with 4 hand guns, The AR-15 was in the trunk of the car. If you want the truth then Put it out there.
BUT no you only want to further your agenda, And you are just using the event for your gain. You Do Not care one little bit about those children, You Just DON'T LIKE Guns anything else is BS.
Women go out get pregnant and use abortion as a form of birth control Thousands upon Thousand die each year, You don't care.
You let Murders and Rapist Out of prison on parole so they can kill again, You don't care
A 5 year old kid points his finger at another kid Playing cops and robbers. OH MY GOD SUSPEND THE GUN NUT.
STOP trying to make people think you are thinking about the kids, Stop Ignoring the facts, the REAL facts
Well, I haven't let any murderers or rapists out jail that I can recall, nor have I performed any abortions.

I think the trouble is that you are clinically insane.

Yep...that's it.

Since: Jan 13

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#118 Jan 19, 2013
Why is it that every time I see a dude on television speaking in favor of assault weapons, he's some fat slob with no teeth and a theme t-shirt who can't speak English.

That's not help you.

Since: Jan 13

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#119 Jan 19, 2013
You gun-queers are funny. You post how stupid Obama and Cuomo are. You might want to remind yourselves that they have managed to become powerful men in their lifetimes, and you are nobody's.

You sit at your computers and fuss and fume about what real men with real power have done to you, instead of doing something about it...except you cannot do anything about it, because you are simply not bright enough, or wealthy enough to exercise andy real change within the system.

You are cyphers, gnats on the ass of society, blathering on about your rights and how big, bad Obama is a dictator.

Stop acting like lttle p**ssies, with you? Your whining makes we want to puke.

Since: Jan 13

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#120 Jan 19, 2013
Oh, Cuomo is taking away my Second Amendment rights...Bwaaaaah! It's not fair!

Fair? Who ever told you that "fair" is part of the equation? How f**king naive can you be?

And you can stop believing in fairy-tales like your "rights", because you have no "rights"...what you have are "privileges".

You think you have "rights"?...LMAO...G o talk to any one of the thousands of Japanese Americans who were placed in interment camps against their will during World War II.

I guess that I shouldn't expect too much reality from a group who thinks that an old man sitting on a golden throne created the World in six days.

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