Gay vice principal to sue Wash. Catholic school

Mar 6, 2014 Full story: Reno Gazette-Journal 453

If you don't like the fact that term-limited council members in Reno can't run for mayor, you might... Mark Zmuda speaks publicly for the first time since his removal from Eastside Catholic High School in the Capitol Hill neighborhood of Seattle, on Friday, Jan. 31, 2014.

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“Unconvinced”

Since: Nov 09

Seattle, WA

#42 Mar 9, 2014
hi hi wrote:
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Nothing changes the fact that in this situation, every jot of the problem comes from the "religious" perspective.
Well, of course. What other perspective needs so much reminding that it's not behaving morally?
hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#43 Mar 9, 2014
EdmondWA wrote:
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Well, of course. What other perspective needs so much reminding that it's not behaving morally?
And is so insidiously "dependent" upon a directive that it must be disseminated everywhere, and forced upon people all over the place?

Well, not all religions; but some.

It's *mind-bending* that the antigay claim there is any "dissemination" of "gay ideas"; nothing about this makes sense and everything about it virulently,*REALLY* knowingly and deliberately misstates and misrepresents the existentiality of orientation. On the other hand, as I love to point out, it is certain types of "religion" which ACTIVELY seek to disseminate themselves, lecture others, indoctrinate, indoctrinate, indoctrinate, etc.
hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#44 Mar 9, 2014
To me, it's not so much that religion is inherently bad (or so I will presume for the sake of the GOOD religious). It's that if "religion" is going to attack gay rights, gay rights *will* attack back, and with a savagery equal and a stubbornness equal to the original attack.

Which is what's happening right now. Both sides are VERY loud and 100% refusing to back down. I shrug and say, so be it. The "religious" are welcome to it; keep talking and you *will* keep hearing an earful back, pretty simple and I think numerous people worldwide would say, We can do this for as looooong as you want to keep starting shit up, try us if you don't believe us.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#45 Mar 9, 2014
hi hi wrote:
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Nothing changes the fact that in this situation, every jot of the problem comes from the "religious" perspective.
Every " jot of the problem" comes from this person taking the job in the first place.
He knew the rules, he broke them.

“abstractions of thought...”

Since: Apr 08

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#46 Mar 9, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Every " jot of the problem" comes from this person taking the job in the first place.
He knew the rules, he broke them.
You ignore the fact school officials lied in both their employee handbook and in a statement posted to their website (since conveniently removed) that the school didn't discriminate on the basis of marital status or sexual orientation. The school offered to let him keep his job if he divorced and even offered to pay for a commitment ceremony (as if that could somehow replace his marriage).

"His lawsuit cited a passage the school has since removed from its website in which it asserted that “Eastside Catholic school does not discriminate on the basis of an employee’s or applicant’s race, religion, creed, color, sex, age, national origin, disability, marital status, sexual orientation or any other status or condition protected by local, state or federal law.”...

“On its website it said it did not discriminate on the basis of race, religious, marital status or sexual orientation,” Zmuda said in a statement.“When I read the employee handbook, it said there would be no discrimination against employees. I relied on those statements and moved to Washington to accept the job as vice-principal.”

According to his suit, school president Sister Mary Tracey, who resigned during the national outcry over Zmuda’s dismissal, knew he was gay since asking him about it during a January 2013 meeting. Zmuda said he complied with their request that he not bring his partner to school events, adding that he was given a raise and praise for his leadership in September. Two months later, Tracey learned of his marriage and told him “that if he were to divorce his husband, ECS would pay the costs of holding a ‘commitment ceremony’ in place of a wedding”, allowing him to keep his job."

Link: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/08/...

Private schools can't have it both ways; if they expect secular employees to model Catholic religious teachings that are contrary to secular law, then they can't publicly claim they don't discriminate in employment on the basis of characteristics that legally can be contrary to Catholic teachings.

But of course such concepts are well above your limited intellect to understand.
hi hi

Lancaster, PA

#47 Mar 9, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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Every " jot of the problem" comes from this person taking the job in the first place.
He knew the rules, he broke them.
That's funny that you accord "respect" to the organization.

This is a set of "rules" -- as you term them -- which *literally* applies to one group of people and not another; one is *literally* barred from living a so-called normal life.

This will end, it *will* end, if ANYONE can bar ANYONE from employment for ANY reason or fire them for ANY reason, period. But you needn't believe me; just watch the lawsuits keep coming. I advise the antigay to fight for the right of anyone to bar ANYONE or fire ANYONE; if YOU are working for a gay person and you say one little antigay thing, they can boot you out on your ass and you are without recourse. Period. THEN this will be fair and equitable, the end. Once YOUR employer can personally control YOU and who YOU are, then this will be fair.

You don't get it (for the record, I'm assuming) because you very, very, very, very much DO NOT WANT to.

Since: Mar 09

Location hidden

#48 Mar 10, 2014
This is a bad suit.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#49 Mar 10, 2014
Terra Firma wrote:
<quoted text>
You ignore the fact school officials lied in both their employee handbook and in a statement posted to their website (since conveniently removed) that the school didn't discriminate on the basis of marital status or sexual orientation. The school offered to let him keep his job if he divorced and even offered to pay for a commitment ceremony (as if that could somehow replace his marriage).
"His lawsuit cited a passage the school has since removed from its website in which it asserted that “Eastside Catholic school does not discriminate on the basis of an employee’s or applicant’s race, religion, creed, color, sex, age, national origin, disability, marital status, sexual orientation or any other status or condition protected by local, state or federal law.”...
“On its website it said it did not discriminate on the basis of race, religious, marital status or sexual orientation,” Zmuda said in a statement.“When I read the employee handbook, it said there would be no discrimination against employees. I relied on those statements and moved to Washington to accept the job as vice-principal.”
According to his suit, school president Sister Mary Tracey, who resigned during the national outcry over Zmuda’s dismissal, knew he was gay since asking him about it during a January 2013 meeting. Zmuda said he complied with their request that he not bring his partner to school events, adding that he was given a raise and praise for his leadership in September. Two months later, Tracey learned of his marriage and told him “that if he were to divorce his husband, ECS would pay the costs of holding a ‘commitment ceremony’ in place of a wedding”, allowing him to keep his job."
Link: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/08/...
Private schools can't have it both ways; if they expect secular employees to model Catholic religious teachings that are contrary to secular law, then they can't publicly claim they don't discriminate in employment on the basis of characteristics that legally can be contrary to Catholic teachings.
But of course such concepts are well above your limited intellect to understand.
They didn't discriminate based on his sexual orientation, they hired him.
He has no case. He will lose.

“abstractions of thought...”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#50 Mar 10, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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They didn't discriminate based on his sexual orientation, they hired him.
He has no case. He will lose.
But they discriminated on his marital status by telling him to divorce or be fired. Employers, including religious schools, can't dictate how people exercise their fundamental rights like marriage or wield veto power over personal liberty choices that are constitutionally protected. But in your usual uninformed ignorance you apparently you think otherwise; no doubt your wife appreciates the fact you'd divorce her if your employer demanded it.
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#51 Mar 10, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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They didn't discriminate based on his sexual orientation, they hired him.
He has no case. He will lose.
Your trolls get stupider each day.

I didn't know about the now-removed statement of non discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation. Now I think the fired v. principal has an excellent case...depending on when the clause was removed.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#52 Mar 10, 2014
Terra Firma wrote:
religious schools, can't dictate how people exercise their fundamental rights like marriage
People, no. Employees, yes. These suits are nothing new and the gay employee lost every time.
Wondering

Tyngsboro, MA

#53 Mar 10, 2014
Sen Rick Saintpornum wrote:
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I didn't know about the now-removed statement of non discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation.
What part of "They didn't discriminate based on his sexual orientation, they hired him." gave you the most trouble. I try to keep these things simple so even you can understand. It doesn't always work.
Sen Rick Saintpornum

Philadelphia, PA

#54 Mar 10, 2014
Wondering wrote:
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What part of "They didn't discriminate based on his sexual orientation, they hired him." gave you the most trouble. I try to keep these things simple so even you can understand. It doesn't always work.
Hey stupid troll, employment or contract law can be, and is, discrimination in hiring and firing.

The law does not only cover hiring, except in your diseased, closet case mind.

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#56 Mar 10, 2014
Pierre wrote:
Let's see, a homosexual secures a job in charge of little boys, under false pretenses, molests who knows how many of them and now he wants to sue.
Keep your perverted fantasies to yourself Piere1. Post a link where anything you posted about molestation was fact.
Shirley

San Jose, CA

#57 Mar 10, 2014
Funny Jade only purpose is to stalk and criticize. What a life.

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#58 Mar 10, 2014
I have never posted to you, Shirley. Do your balls itch as you post? Silly troll. Hey, how was that Hawaiian vacation as Blonde Queer?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#59 Mar 10, 2014
Shirley wrote:
Funny Jade only purpose is to stalk and criticize. What a life.
Yes. Jade has been stalking and criticizing me too. Some youth plan he has. When I was a young man like him I was out getting an education and having a career and bettering myself.
It's a shame he sits on Topix 24/7 stalking and criticizing people instead of GETTING A JOB.

“Equality marches on! ”

Since: Apr 08

Location hidden

#60 Mar 10, 2014
Well, Frankie, this is the first time in months I have replied to you. Just had to prove that you are the liar so many have accused you of being. I avoid most threads on which you post. You are the one dragging my posts over to the cafe and commenting/replying to them over there, when you know I don'y post on that troll infested sewer. Now, run along and drunkenly hop on your little polygamy dead horse and try beating it some more. Ride, ole great Polygamy Ranger, ride!!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#61 Mar 10, 2014
NE Jade wrote:
Do your balls itch as you post?
No, never had that problem, try better hygiene. Maybe you have crabs?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#62 Mar 10, 2014
When Jade gets agitated and overheated he forgets to hit the "reply" button. What a dummy!

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