Redwood City Traffic Trap

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BruceC

Fremont, CA

#1 Jul 25, 2007
I recently received a traffic violation at the intersection of Veterans Boulevard onto eastbound Whipple Avenue in Redwood City from the southbound Highway 101 onramp.(See July 11 Letter to Edit for more info). There were at least four officers out of their cars on the onramp waving cars over to the side of the road. They were giving tickets to 5 cars at a time, continuously. It would be great to know of any other drivers who have received a similar ticket for changing lanes from 101 SJ lane to eastbound Whipple lane.

I'm planning on appearing in court to protest this ill-conceived traffic engineering design. Any stories from other citizens would be great.

Since: Feb 07

Oakland, CA

#2 Jul 26, 2007
What was the violation?
BruceC

Fremont, CA

#3 Oct 24, 2007
scout wrote:
What was the violation?
Very good question. I shortened the story from another posting and left out the violation. The ticket was for crossing a solid white line between lanes. After turning right, I changed one lane to the left to get out of freeway on ramp. The cops were on overpass and waved me and many others over.

Since: Feb 07

San Jose, CA

#4 Oct 25, 2007
BruceC wrote:
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Very good question. I shortened the story from another posting and left out the violation. The ticket was for crossing a solid white line between lanes. After turning right, I changed one lane to the left to get out of freeway on ramp. The cops were on overpass and waved me and many others over.
Got it. Don't fight it, as you will fail to win this one. Most probably Cal Trans engineers placed the solid line for safety reasons. All the traffic judges know this and the officers were instructed, due to past car side hits, to make a known presence by citing.

Go to traffic court so that your insurance won't go through the roof.

Take care.
Shirl

Wichita Falls, TX

#5 Oct 29, 2007
scout wrote:
What was the violation?
Bruce C. refuring to whipple and veterans/101.

Plead guilty and ask for traffic school. Will not show against your record then, regarding your insurrance. Many times this can be handled without going to court. Otherwise just to plead not guilty will cost a day of work, then they asign another day a few weeks later for your return for the hearing. That is two days of work. The Redwood City Court has a telephone and the workers are inforative on what your options are. There is on line traffic school so with a credit card and the internet you may not need to appear, or leave the comforts of home. Saving time money and gas. Good Luck!

When I said not guilty and had three wittnesses on my behalf. Was still nothing I could do. Nor could anyone else in there cases that day. Except pay higher insurance costs for years.
The depody is sworn to tell apold the law before he is asigned his first dudy. Threw the eyes of the court his word is favored or more credible than yours. Even if you show the sighting officer was incorrect he is still corect in the eyes of the court, then of course four other statements to back his. Not only is it easier you will save money.
aone

Pinole, CA

#6 Dec 13, 2007
How about the traps being used on El Camino 200 yards south from Target's shopping lot -- plains clothes cops (women) hide behind street light poles and suddenly walk onto the pedestrian crossing (2 white lines - no traffic lights here)... the cops on motor bikes chase selected cars and give tickets -- at least 3 motor bikes in each direction. Not sure if they were being thorough and/or consistent in their selected targets i.e. there seemed to be some bias. The rate of stoppage seemed to be about 1 a minute on average (coming in bursts of lot of stops with some quiet time in between)... I am sure that produced lot of potential revenue for the local county...

It seems cheaper and kinder to put some flashing lights at the crossing rather than take the trapping approach. Don't think the the trapping approach solves the problem -- but then again community policing is a thing of the past...!!
BruceC wrote:
I recently received a traffic violation at the intersection of Veterans Boulevard onto eastbound Whipple Avenue in Redwood City from the southbound Highway 101 onramp.(See July 11 Letter to Edit for more info). There were at least four officers out of their cars on the onramp waving cars over to the side of the road. They were giving tickets to 5 cars at a time, continuously. It would be great to know of any other drivers who have received a similar ticket for changing lanes from 101 SJ lane to eastbound Whipple lane.
I'm planning on appearing in court to protest this ill-conceived traffic engineering design. Any stories from other citizens would be great.

Since: Feb 07

San Jose, CA

#7 Dec 13, 2007
aone wrote:
How about the traps being used on El Camino 200 yards south from Target's shopping lot -- plains clothes cops (women) hide behind street light poles and suddenly walk onto the pedestrian crossing (2 white lines - no traffic lights here)... the cops on motor bikes chase selected cars and give tickets -- at least 3 motor bikes in each direction. Not sure if they were being thorough and/or consistent in their selected targets i.e. there seemed to be some bias. The rate of stoppage seemed to be about 1 a minute on average (coming in bursts of lot of stops with some quiet time in between)... I am sure that produced lot of potential revenue for the local county...
It seems cheaper and kinder to put some flashing lights at the crossing rather than take the trapping approach. Don't think the the trapping approach solves the problem -- but then again community policing is a thing of the past...!!
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If you have this correct, what a waste of manpower, or, I guess supervision is trying to find something for the women to handle.

Why not team the ladies with a Malinois, a hard shepherd, and have her walk a beat? Trust me, no one will mess with her, as she wouldn't be able to handle a hard dog herself. At least honest police presence would make the gangsters think twice. She would still have to remember to load the side arm, though.
My thoughts

Menlo Park, CA

#8 Dec 14, 2007
aone wrote:
How about the traps being used on El Camino 200 yards south from Target's shopping lot -- plains clothes cops (women) hide behind street light poles and suddenly walk onto the pedestrian crossing (2 white lines - no traffic lights here)... the cops on motor bikes chase selected cars and give tickets -- at least 3 motor bikes in each direction. Not sure if they were being thorough and/or consistent in their selected targets i.e. there seemed to be some bias. The rate of stoppage seemed to be about 1 a minute on average (coming in bursts of lot of stops with some quiet time in between)... I am sure that produced lot of potential revenue for the local county...
It seems cheaper and kinder to put some flashing lights at the crossing rather than take the trapping approach. Don't think the the trapping approach solves the problem -- but then again community policing is a thing of the past...!!
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Flashing lights would also be a waste of time and money. People (in general) don't stop for people in crosswalks along that area. As a pedestrian, you are pretty much on your own... Watch Stanly Roberts' "people behaving badly" and see how bad it is in places.
Tax payer

Surprise, AZ

#9 Dec 15, 2007
I am a bit confused, you saw the woman, you saw the cross walk and you saw the cops. What is the problem. How can you claim this to be a trap. If you see all those things it's not a trap unless your an idiot.

As for the cops chasing people who violate the law. It's like fishing. You may have a pond full of fish but you can only catch one at a time.
aone

Pinole, CA

#10 Dec 17, 2007
Actually the cops and the "pretend pedestrians" were quite well hidden. The "pedestrians" would hide behind poles and suddenly step out.

Since: Feb 07

San Jose, CA

#11 Dec 18, 2007
aone wrote:
Actually the cops and the "pretend pedestrians" were quite well hidden. The "pedestrians" would hide behind poles and suddenly step out.
Well, this is how peds are struck. Also, I may not being paying attention, but I really don't recall cross walks on El Camino without traffic lights.

I have ridden motors for years, and can testify that peninsula drivers are the most courteous drivers around; they may drive the freeways fast, forcing motors to gain a little speed to keep out of their way, but they are without a doubt better drivers today than 20 years ago, when we had a far more serious problem with drunks on the road.

Even the legal immigrants are better drivers, for the most part, today. I guess the cars are getting easier to drive, or whatever.

Since: Feb 07

San Jose, CA

#12 Dec 18, 2007
oh, motors mean motorcycles
John

White Plains, NY

#13 Dec 28, 2007
Actively participate in your local politics, and the local municipal budget is used for something useful, rather than hiring scores of cops to hand out traffic tickets.
cristy

San Francisco, CA

#14 Dec 30, 2007
scout you are a sexist jerk, I have a degree in Criminal Justice and can probably can out shoot any man on the gun range, disassemble my weapon faster than any man I know and reassemble it as well. I am highly offended by your nasty little sexist slurs about the female "cop" who is allegedly undercover working a sting because they can't find any other job for her and that she might want to remember to load her "side arm" I have been loading weapons since age 3, how's that ? Oh and I look hot, I sing and I am not a lesbian, all of your rude stereotypes have just been squashed!!!
Watch out who you offend it may come back to bite you in the bum!
cristy

San Francisco, CA

#15 Dec 30, 2007
PS
scout please go back to school as it seems you need some more education with your comments against immigrants and what the heck is a "hard dog" ?
you are obviously a very uneducated person, my relatives train police dogs for the US and abroad and the person who owns the company is a WOMAN,(does that shock you?) you are an idiot, please get help for your abusive woman hating issues and your problem with immigrants you make the common educated person sick with your pathetic attitude. Also have it noted that anyone trained in the martial arts,(male or female) can do some serious damage to anyone who tries to attack them, I myself am trained in that area and I am not afraid of anyone because of my training.
Please get educated before you open your mouth and insert your boot.

Since: Feb 07

Larkspur, CA

#16 Dec 30, 2007
cristy wrote:
PS
scout please go back to school as it seems you need some more education with your comments against immigrants and what the heck is a "hard dog" ?
you are obviously a very uneducated person, my relatives train police dogs for the US and abroad and the person who owns the company is a WOMAN,(does that shock you?) you are an idiot, please get help for your abusive woman hating issues and your problem with immigrants you make the common educated person sick with your pathetic attitude. Also have it noted that anyone trained in the martial arts,(male or female) can do some serious damage to anyone who tries to attack them, I myself am trained in that area and I am not afraid of anyone because of my training.
Please get educated before you open your mouth and insert your boot.
Please, if you will, turn off your TV, as that is causing you more than a few learning problems.

Seeing that you are in the San Mateo area, I suspect that you know Randy and her husband. They, both of them, make their living by buying trained dogs from folks as myself and the frontliners in Europe. Trainers, like peace officers, are born, not made, and are male. Like I said, Bolshevik/commie crap, back-doored as the apex philosophy by our TV and film lords of the past century, fossilized your brain into believing exactly what the Bolsheviks want you to believe.

And for what purpose? For easy mass control. The female psyche loved only one thing: it's own vain self, and this is especially true once the first stage of death is crossed: menopause.

It is possible for real ladies to understand the above, but it is difficult today. Be advised that I was where you were at just a few years ago. But I guess true understanding is relegated to just a few.

What else you got?
Paul

Sunnyvale, CA

#17 Jan 15, 2008
Off topic people. They are still handing out tickets at Veterans & Whipple to innocent people from out of town confused by the poor signage and striping.
Advocate

Union City, CA

#18 May 11, 2008
aone wrote:
How about the traps being used on El Camino 200 yards south from Target's shopping lot -- plains clothes cops (women) hide behind street light poles and suddenly walk onto the pedestrian crossing (2 white lines - no traffic lights here)... the cops on motor bikes chase selected cars and give tickets -- at least 3 motor bikes in each direction. Not sure if they were being thorough and/or consistent in their selected targets i.e. there seemed to be some bias. The rate of stoppage seemed to be about 1 a minute on average (coming in bursts of lot of stops with some quiet time in between)... I am sure that produced lot of potential revenue for the local county...
It seems cheaper and kinder to put some flashing lights at the crossing rather than take the trapping approach. Don't think the the trapping approach solves the problem -- but then again community policing is a thing of the past...!!
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Actually, there is a part of the Vehicle Code that says the pedestrian in California has the rightaway, providing that the pedestrian doesn't create a hazard to others. Therefore, if the ped is creating a hazard esp for the purpose of a sting operation against random motorists, one may have standing to offer a defense.
redwood city

Danville, CA

#19 May 19, 2008
if we would respect the traffic signs and the traffic laws there would be no reason for traps..
Diogenes

San Bruno, CA

#20 May 20, 2008
Traffice tickets, beyond generating revenue, save lives. In this day and age it is nearly impossible to get a municipality to install safety devices, such as stop lights, unless someone gets killed at an unprotected intersection. When there is a safety problem, such as cars not stopping for pedestrians in a crosswalk the police will step up enforcement in that area, for a while, to get people to comply with the law. Also driving across a solid line violates the law. It doesn't matter where the police are who observe it. If you obey the law you don't have to worry about where the police are.

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