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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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The Lady Doctor

Vancouver, WA

#131093 Mar 4, 2012
Doctor Truth Speaker- wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, but your version of sex, sex with your dad is not what getting laid is all about. Are you a prostitute or slut, because most wives do not call it getting laid?
Well, since you are likely a dead weight sow, your sex partners would never call it love.
All that rage! It must be your frustration getting the better of you...I guess abstinence does NOT make the heart grown founder...In you case it just makes the farts blow fouler...

And since you have never has a wife you really have no way of knowing what "most wives" say...I usually say, "hey honey the kids are all in bed, do you want to F*ck?" It works pretty well too.

Since the only women who has ever looked twice at you is your mother can we assume she is the "dead weight sow" in you life? Did she run your daddy off? Is that what messed you up so bad? You, "the little man" of the house, all alone with mommy when she was between boyfriends? So fat you could "never call it love" when she climbs all over you and does her nasty business and left you crying like a sissyboy. Is that why you hate women and call them prostitutes, whores and fat sows?

So is it just as funny when someone says that YOU have sex with YOUR mother
The Lady Doctor

Vancouver, WA

#131094 Mar 4, 2012
Truth Speaker- wrote:
They have done studies and proven that homosexuality, like it was high in Rome, remains higher in Western countries, where teen sex, incest, pedophilia, and child abuse are predominant. The reason is simple, homosexuality is primarily caused by socialization and environmental factors.
Doctor Truth, We all want to be a well informed as you are so PLEASE post LINKS to these studies.

This is my second request. You took time to post that I am a fat sow, a prostitute and that I have sex with my father so why didn't include a link to prove your claim?
SpamOlater

Monrovia, CA

#131095 Mar 4, 2012
Just another tired old 'chain mail' letter or topic being passed around to muddle up real local issues.

This being the handy work of Republican/Tea Party Nation wackO member's.
Bruno

Westminster, CA

#131096 Mar 4, 2012
Goood body every morming
P and S

Condon, OR

#131097 Mar 4, 2012
The Lady Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>
All that rage! It must be your frustration getting the better of you...I guess abstinence does NOT make the heart grown founder...In you case it just makes the farts blow fouler...
And since you have never has a wife you really have no way of knowing what "most wives" say...I usually say, "hey honey the kids are all in bed, do you want to F*ck?" It works pretty well too.
Since the only women who has ever looked twice at you is your mother can we assume she is the "dead weight sow" in you life? Did she run your daddy off? Is that what messed you up so bad? You, "the little man" of the house, all alone with mommy when she was between boyfriends? So fat you could "never call it love" when she climbs all over you and does her nasty business and left you crying like a sissyboy. Is that why you hate women and call them prostitutes, whores and fat sows?
So is it just as funny when someone says that YOU have sex with YOUR mother
R U a Prostitute and a Slut?
Bruno

Westminster, CA

#131098 Mar 4, 2012
Joe Fortuna wrote:
<quoted text>
Normal society is starting to change their minds on what they have a right to deny others. Its just to bad for those you are feeling forced to accept what normal people have simply changed their opinion on.
So actually I feel very good about the way soceity has reversed its opinion on homosexuality. I expect more of it as time passes.
Nope, I'm not in your position.
Do you feel there are enough who changed their minds to make a difference in a vote for all of America to vote a big yes to the gay lifestyle? This would include paying for school studies of gay lifestyle, changing any tax laws, changing any health insurance benefits private and or corporate wide. Just these few things alone can cause yet more protesting and unsettlement from gay activists like yourself. Your road to a perfecty take over is far from over. Gays will always find something to moan about, you ae never happy.
Winston Smith

Poolesville, MD

#131099 Mar 4, 2012
P and S wrote:
<quoted text>R U a Prostitute and a Slut?
txt spk is fr mrns

r u a mrn

“The Topix Legend of "GS8"!”

Since: Sep 10

Yunited States, North America

#131100 Mar 4, 2012
The Lady Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>
There is an extensive and very sympathetic description of a same-sex relationship in the Bible, the story of David and Jonathan, e.g.: 1 Samuel 18:1-5, 1 Samuel 19:1-7, 1 Samuel 20:30-42, 2 Samuel 1:25-6.

Jonathan was the son of Saul, David's nemesis. Their souls are described as 'knit together'. David and Jonathan 'made a covenant, because he loved him as his own soul.' The word covenant is significant, because in the Tanach this word always implies a formal legal agreement. To mark this covenant, Jonathan literally gives David the clothes off of his back, as well as other gifts such as weapons.

Later in the narrative, Jonathan successfully intercedes with Saul to spare David's life. At their last meeting, 1 Samuel 20:41, they are described as kissing one another and weeping together. David's grief at Jonathan's death is profound and moving. In David’s lament for Jonathan he describes their friendship as 'surpassing the love of women'. This elegy, 2 Samuel 1:18-27. Known as 'the Bow,' is one of the most beloved passages in the Hebrew Bible.

“The Topix Legend of "GS8"!”

Since: Sep 10

Yunited States, North America

#131101 Mar 4, 2012
The Lady Doctor wrote:
<quoted text>. Just like pre-Nazi Germany and their support of homosexualty
This claim comes directly from a 1995 book titled The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party, by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams. Lively is the virulently anti-gay founder of Abiding Truth Ministries and Abrams is an organizer of a group called the International Committee for Holocaust Truth, which came together in 1994 and included Lively as a member.

The primary argument Lively and Abrams make is that gay people were not victimized by the Holocaust. Rather, Hitler deliberately sought gay men for his inner circle because their "unusual brutality" would help him run the party and mastermind the Holocaust. In fact, "the Nazi party was entirely controlled by militaristic male homosexuals throughout its short history," the book claims. "While we cannot say that homosexuals caused the Holocaust, we must not ignore their central role in Nazism," Lively and Abrams add. "To the myth of the 'pink triangle'— the notion that all homosexuals in Nazi Germany were persecuted — we must respond with the reality of the 'pink swastika.'"

These claims have been picked up by a number of anti-gay groups and individuals, including Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association, as proof that gay men and lesbians are violent and sick. The book has also attracted an audience among anti-gay church leaders in Eastern Europe and among Russian-speaking anti-gay activists in America.

THE FACTS

The Pink Swastika has been roundly discredited by legitimate historians and other scholars. Christine Mueller, professor of history at Reed College, did a line-by-line refutation of an earlier (1994) Abrams article on the topic and of the broader claim that the Nazi Party was "entirely controlled" by gay men. Historian Jon David Wynecken at Grove City College also refuted the book, pointing out that Lively and Abrams did no primary research of their own, instead using out-of-context citations of some legitimate sources while ignoring information from those same sources that ran counter to their thesis.

The myth that the Nazis condoned homosexuality sprang up in the 1930s, started by socialist opponents of the Nazis as a slander against Nazi leaders. Credible historians believe that only one of the half-dozen leaders in Hitler's inner circle, Ernst Röhm, was gay.(Röhm was murdered on Hitler's orders in 1934.) The Nazis considered homosexuality one aspect of the "degeneracy" they were trying to eradicate.

When the National Socialist Party came to power in 1933, it quickly strengthened Germany's existing penalties against homosexuality. Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's security chief, announced that homosexuality was to be "eliminated" in Germany, along with miscegenation among the races. Historians estimate that between 50,000 and 100,000 men were arrested for homosexuality (or suspicion of it) under the Nazi regime. These men were routinely sent to concentration camps and many thousands died there.

In 1942, the Nazis instituted the death penalty for gay men. Offenders in the German military were routinely shot. Himmler put it like this: "We must exterminate these people root and branch.... We can't permit such danger to the country; the homosexual must be completely eliminated."
Mona Lott

Brooklyn, NY

#131102 Mar 4, 2012
Bruno wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you feel there are enough who changed their minds to make a difference in a vote for all of America to vote a big yes to the gay lifestyle? This would include paying for school studies of gay lifestyle, changing any tax laws, changing any health insurance benefits private and or corporate wide. Just these few things alone can cause yet more protesting and unsettlement from gay activists like yourself. Your road to a perfecty take over is far from over. Gays will always find something to moan about, you ae never happy.
Geez Bruno, Why would tax laws have to change if gay people got married? Will they have to change the wording of the statute from married to married? You are dumber than a bag of hair.
Bruno

Westminster, CA

#131103 Mar 4, 2012
GodSmacked wrote:
<quoted text>
This claim comes directly from a 1995 book titled The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party, by Scott Lively and Kevin Abrams. Lively is the virulently anti-gay founder of Abiding Truth Ministries and Abrams is an organizer of a group called the International Committee for Holocaust Truth, which came together in 1994 and included Lively as a member.
The primary argument Lively and Abrams make is that gay people were not victimized by the Holocaust. Rather, Hitler deliberately sought gay men for his inner circle because their "unusual brutality" would help him run the party and mastermind the Holocaust. In fact, "the Nazi party was entirely controlled by militaristic male homosexuals throughout its short history," the book claims. "While we cannot say that homosexuals caused the Holocaust, we must not ignore their central role in Nazism," Lively and Abrams add. "To the myth of the 'pink triangle'— the notion that all homosexuals in Nazi Germany were persecuted — we must respond with the reality of the 'pink swastika.'"
These claims have been picked up by a number of anti-gay groups and individuals, including Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association, as proof that gay men and lesbians are violent and sick. The book has also attracted an audience among anti-gay church leaders in Eastern Europe and among Russian-speaking anti-gay activists in America.
THE FACTS
The Pink Swastika has been roundly discredited by legitimate historians and other scholars. Christine Mueller, professor of history at Reed College, did a line-by-line refutation of an earlier (1994) Abrams article on the topic and of the broader claim that the Nazi Party was "entirely controlled" by gay men. Historian Jon David Wynecken at Grove City College also refuted the book, pointing out that Lively and Abrams did no primary research of their own, instead using out-of-context citations of some legitimate sources while ignoring information from those same sources that ran counter to their thesis.
The myth that the Nazis condoned homosexuality sprang up in the 1930s, started by socialist opponents of the Nazis as a slander against Nazi leaders. Credible historians believe that only one of the half-dozen leaders in Hitler's inner circle, Ernst Röhm, was gay.(Röhm was murdered on Hitler's orders in 1934.) The Nazis considered homosexuality one aspect of the "degeneracy" they were trying to eradicate.
When the National Socialist Party came to power in 1933, it quickly strengthened Germany's existing penalties against homosexuality. Heinrich Himmler, Hitler's security chief, announced that homosexuality was to be "eliminated" in Germany, along with miscegenation among the races. Historians estimate that between 50,000 and 100,000 men were arrested for homosexuality (or suspicion of it) under the Nazi regime. These men were routinely sent to concentration camps and many thousands died there.
In 1942, the Nazis instituted the death penalty for gay men. Offenders in the German military were routinely shot. Himmler put it like this: "We must exterminate these people root and branch.... We can't permit such danger to the country; the homosexual must be completely eliminated."
You are going overboard ... we only want to stop the expense and education of gay life .in the public schools in America. I don't really care what you do in the confines of your home.
Mona Lott

Brooklyn, NY

#131104 Mar 4, 2012
Bruno wrote:
<quoted text>
You are going overboard ... we only want to stop the expense and education of gay life .in the public schools in America.
Why don't you practice by pissing into the wind?

“The Topix Legend of "GS8"!”

Since: Sep 10

Yunited States, North America

#131106 Mar 4, 2012
Bruno wrote:
<quoted text>
You are going overboard ... we only want to stop the expense and education of gay life .in the public schools in America. I don't really care what you do in the confines of your home.
Direct this to the Lady Doctor. I am only responded to what he posted.
Joe Fortuna

Eureka, CA

#131107 Mar 4, 2012
Watchmann wrote:
<quoted text>
Joe, you accuse me of bias, then you spout a bigoted view of history and Christianity. Excusing the facts of history and condemning Christianity as the cause for all rejection of homosexuality.
I'm simply trying to get both sides on a basis of reality.
Most people are ignorant of sexuality, and Christians tend to relate all homosexuality to Romans 1.
Gays on the other hand have a firm grip on denial. You are singular proof of that!
The one thing you said that I agree with is that truth is somewhere in between with a lot more knowledge and understanding added.
I'll ask again.
What do you think the real issue is, that people are missing?

The message of christianity, seems to be cystal clear, according to their book, its a sin, and to a lot of christians it is the cause of all that is wrong in the world. Have you heard what the pope claims homosexuality is causing, the destruction of family values. The RCC is a large portion of christianity.

So you are denying this is true?

If you don't think that most of the anti-homosexual marriage people aren't pushed by christians you havn't looked.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuali ...
www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uga ...

I could provide more information that backs up my statement that most anti homosexual marriage people are pushed by christianity.

Even you seem to be a little bias, I mean heterosexuals only lose respect, but homosexuals lose morality and the great designer that christian believe in. Lets just continue the cycle of hate and violence, and continue to believe homosexuals are inferior.

You don't see your statement might just be a little bias?

What part of my post appeared to be spouting bigotry on history, and christianity, I mean if you know why you made that claim?
I hate to break it to you, but I'm not a homosexual, so me being living proof, of another of your bias statements, seem to be just another assumption on your part.
So instead of telling me, with a little more knowledge and understanding, why not add some of this knowldege and understanding?
Joe Fortuna

Eureka, CA

#131108 Mar 4, 2012
Bruno wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you feel there are enough who changed their minds to make a difference in a vote for all of America to vote a big yes to the gay lifestyle? This would include paying for school studies of gay lifestyle, changing any tax laws, changing any health insurance benefits private and or corporate wide. Just these few things alone can cause yet more protesting and unsettlement from gay activists like yourself. Your road to a perfecty take over is far from over. Gays will always find something to moan about, you ae never happy.
You have been feed misinformation.
I'm happy right now.

Since: Jan 10

Pickerington, OH

#131109 Mar 4, 2012
Bruno wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you feel there are enough who changed their minds to make a difference in a vote for all of America to vote a big yes to the gay lifestyle? This would include paying for school studies of gay lifestyle, changing any tax laws, changing any health insurance benefits private and or corporate wide. Just these few things alone can cause yet more protesting and unsettlement from gay activists like yourself. Your road to a perfecty take over is far from over. Gays will always find something to moan about, you ae never happy.
When are you bigots going to realize you can’t vote on human rights and Gay American’s don’t care what you think anyway?
It’s not a fight for supremacy it’s a fight for equality. Vilifying Gay Americans doesn’t change that fact. It only points out your self-imposed powerlessness, hysteria and ignorance.
Your statement regarding moaning can be said for all people. After all, you’ve done much moaning in your posts.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#131110 Mar 4, 2012
Joe Fortuna wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll ask again.
What do you think the real issue is, that people are missing?
The message of christianity, seems to be cystal clear, according to their book, its a sin, and to a lot of christians it is the cause of all that is wrong in the world. Have you heard what the pope claims homosexuality is causing, the destruction of family values. The RCC is a large portion of christianity.
So you are denying this is true?
If you don't think that most of the anti-homosexual marriage people aren't pushed by christians you havn't looked.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuali ...
www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uga ...
I could provide more information that backs up my statement that most anti homosexual marriage people are pushed by christianity.
Even you seem to be a little bias, I mean heterosexuals only lose respect, but homosexuals lose morality and the great designer that christian believe in. Lets just continue the cycle of hate and violence, and continue to believe homosexuals are inferior.
You don't see your statement might just be a little bias?
What part of my post appeared to be spouting bigotry on history, and christianity, I mean if you know why you made that claim?
I hate to break it to you, but I'm not a homosexual, so me being living proof, of another of your bias statements, seem to be just another assumption on your part.
So instead of telling me, with a little more knowledge and understanding, why not add some of this knowldege and understanding?
'IF' the central message of Christianty is 'crystal clear' and it is sin, then;

-What does the Bible do about that sin?

-Does that not put EVERYONE, gay or not, in the same boat? As you put it,'inferior'?

*By 'design' I was not referring to any designer, but rather intended purpose.

-I would suggest that rather than 'inferior' the issue for homosexuals is mainly genetic with no moral implications at that level.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#131111 Mar 4, 2012
Reality wrote:
Did you just make this up? The baker court had no SCOTUS decision, they refused to hear the case in the Supreme Court! So that it is not from a "conservative site I use Wiki, you can look ANYWHERE Else and find the same thing: "Richard John Baker v. Gerald R. Nelson[1] was a case in which the Minnesota Supreme Court ruled that Minnesota law limited marriage to different-sex couples and that this limitation did not violate the United States Constitution. The plaintiffs appealed, and on October 10, 1972 the United States Supreme Court dismissed the appeal "for want of a substantial federal question." Because the case came to the federal Supreme Court through mandatory appellate review (not certiorari), the summary dismissal constituted a decision on the merits and established Baker v. Nelson as a precedent,[2] though the extent of its precedential effect has been subject to debate." While subject to debate, it is clearly PRECEDENT. It is not as powerful as a decision on the merits, but by finding a gay marriage ban presents no federal question, they said directly the opposite of what you constantly repeat, that all marriage is a fundamental right. HOW COULD THAT BE? In short, it cant, you are just wrong, AGAIN.
Baker v Nelson is a US Supreme Court decisioin on the merits, it is precedent for keeping marriage between husband and wife.

The law is on our side.

“The Topix Legend of "GS8"!”

Since: Sep 10

Yunited States, North America

#131112 Mar 4, 2012
Brian_G wrote:
<quoted text>Baker v Nelson is a US Supreme Court decisioin on the merits, it is precedent for keeping marriage between husband and wife.
The law is on our side.
In 1996, the Supreme Court again considered gay rights issues in Romer v Evans, a challenge to a provision in the Colorado Constitution (adopted by a 54% to 46% vote) that prohibited the state or its subdivisions from adopting any laws that gave preferred or protected status to homosexuals.(The provision, Amendment 2, effectively repealed anti-discrimination laws in Boulder, Aspen, and Denver.) By a 6 to 3 vote, the Court found the Colorado provision to lack a rational basis, and therefore to violate the equal protection rights of homosexuals. Justice Kennedy's opinion concluded Amendment 2 was "born of animosity" toward gays. Justice Scalia, in his dissent, accused the Court of "taking sides in the culture wars." After Romer, speculation about the future of Bowers became widespread, with people such as Laurence Tribe predicting that Bowers "is not long for this world."
Joe Fortuna

Eureka, CA

#131113 Mar 4, 2012
Watchmann wrote:
<quoted text>
'IF' the central message of Christianty is 'crystal clear' and it is sin, then;
-What does the Bible do about that sin?
-Does that not put EVERYONE, gay or not, in the same boat? As you put it,'inferior'?
*By 'design' I was not referring to any designer, but rather intended purpose.
-I would suggest that rather than 'inferior' the issue for homosexuals is mainly genetic with no moral implications at that level.
So you don't know, or you are unwilling to give the reasons, why you claimed I was being a bigot about history and christianity?
My statement about keeping homosexual inferior, was sarcasm.
If I'm not mistaken the bible claims they should be put to death.
The intended purpose for homosexuals, is to be homosexuals. So, exactly how do homosexual lose their intended purpose?
Are do you think something else gets to decide, what the intended purpose of things are?
If that statement is your view on homosexuals, why did you state homosexuals lose morality in your other post?

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