Is your spouse headed to C.L.E.E.T Training?

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Jul 31, 2009
 

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For those of you whose spouses or significant others are headed to C.L.E.E.T Training in Wilburton at the Gene Stipe Training Center, try to talk them out of it. They have rules and policy to follow, but no one makes them follow it. It is a co-ed dorm and there are TONS of affairs going on inside. Do not let Oklahoma DOC or some homewrecking tramp mess up your relationship.

What goes on at C.L.E.E.T, stays at C.L.E.E.T.

Or so they think.
simply fed up

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Aug 3, 2009
 
sounds like your a victim of this?
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#3
Aug 4, 2009
 
A witness. Google Oklahoma CLEET. Read what people say. Check out some images and slideshows. It has been brought to DOC's attention, but doesn't seem that it has been changed.

If your spouse is headed there, just remember, they will be living with the opposite sex for 14-15 weeks with no one to answer to. A lot of drinking, a lot of affairs, etc. Policy states they are not allowed in the opposite sex's room, but it happens every single night. They even spend the nights in each others rooms.
simply fed up

Galena, KS

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Aug 6, 2009
 
soooo...did this happen to you or are you just worried that it might?? I'm just trying to decide if this is a rumor or if you know this first hand.
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Oklahoma City, OK

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Aug 7, 2009
 
I stated in the above post, I am a witness to it.
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#6
Aug 8, 2009
 
I almost forgot. It's not just C.L.E.E.T. Remember they also do their Correctional Officer training here too, which is I believe 6 weeks long, and all of the other training that takes more than one day to do, like Baton instruction. These all happen at the same place and one is no different than the other.
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Aug 8, 2009
 
First of all the CLEET Academy is located in Ada not Wilburton. Wilburton, or Eastern Oklahoma State College, has the DOC training academy. IT IS NOT CLEET. So which one are you upset about CLEET academy or DOC Academy? They are two seperate entities.
CommonSense

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Aug 8, 2009
 
One more thing. Do not blame somebody deciding to cheat on their spouse or significant other on DOC or CLEET. I don't know which you are blaming because I still don't know which you are talking about. It takes two people to make that decision. If your spouse or significant other is willing to cheat if given an opportunity then it is going to happen. It doesn't matter if they go to CLEET or DOC training or anything else.
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Aug 9, 2009
 
Defend it however you want. Spouses need to know what's going on there. They need to know they are sending their significant other off to a DOC funded drunken orgie.
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One more thing. Do not blame somebody deciding to cheat on their spouse or significant other on DOC or CLEET. I don't know which you are blaming because I still don't know which you are talking about. It takes two people to make that decision. If your spouse or significant other is willing to cheat if given an opportunity then it is going to happen. It doesn't matter if they go to CLEET or DOC training or anything else.
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Aug 9, 2009
 
I'm not defending anything. All I am saying is if someone would cheat at DOC training then they are going to cheat anyway. It does not matter whether its training, business trip, or just working late at the office. A cheater is a cheater. I would have no problem sending my spouse and vice versa.
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Aug 9, 2009
 
I posted a link here to the DOC website where it shows that DOC sends their officers and their Probation and Parole Officers to the Wilburton DOC Academy at the college for an 11 week C.L.E.E.T. course. But it has been removed for some reason. Wonder why? You can go to their website and see for yourself. While you're there, take the time to read the policy guidelines for the students and faculty while they are there. It is not enforced.

Police officers go to the one in Ada.

What you said is not necessarily true, but good for you that you would send your spouse there. Other people should know what they're sending their spouses into though. Most people do not know so they get all excited that their loved one is going to go through C.L.E.E.T. That is, until training is over and probably their relationships too.
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Aug 9, 2009
 

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I have no problem with you trying to let people know what they or their spouse may be getting into. What I have a problem with is you putting the blame on someone other than the person cheating. That is what is wrong with society today. Its always someone else's fault. What did I say that wasn't necessarily true? If someone is going to cheat at either academy then they would have cheated eventually when the opportunity arose.
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What is your opinion about the State of Oklahoma paying $10,000 PER PERSON, with a class of about 34 students per class, to act like this? Are you okay with $340,000 of your tax dollars every 11 weeks paying for them to sleep through class, texting all the way through class, using state vehicles to drive while drinking, showing up to class frequently hungover and sometimes still drunk, having affairs, using state owned property to shack up, etc? That's just the students. Let's not forget the pay for the employees and instructors, etc.
CommonSense

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Aug 9, 2009
 
Ok either you are speaking first hand, in which case that actually happened at your academy, or you are believing what someone told you. If you don't mind me asking which is it? Until prison guards start getting the pay they deserve and recruiting decent employees this stuff will continue. I used to work for a local law enforcement agency and we never witnessed them driving state owned vehicles while drinking, and yes we did catch some and they went to jail. There was never any state owned vehicles involved though. I am definitely not trying to be rude but what exactly is your problem? Were you cheated on? Maybe a friend of yours? I am just trying to see where you are coming from on this. I do agree with you that spending that kind of money to train needs to be taken seriously. As I said though, depends on the type of person you are.
simply fed up

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Aug 9, 2009
 
it sounds like THINGSYOUSHOULDKNOW may have been a student there and saw these things and got disgusted with the whole thing. what is being said is in fact true I think it needs to be investigated and cleaned up! If its true know wonder the gaurd at Mcalester pen got in trouble for sexual misbehavior! LOL
CommonSense

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Aug 9, 2009
 
simply fed up how do you clean it up? I mean there isn't exactly a line of people who want to be prison guards. Please don't take that the wrong way, I'm not trying to be rude just stating the obvious. At first I thought THINGSYOUSHOULDKNOW may have been a student as well, but there is too many conflicting statements from him/her for me to think that. Bottom line is you have good people and bad people in every line of work. I understand that maybe policies need to change or just be enforced but then that should have been the argument from the beginning instead of all playing the blame game for someone who cheated.
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Aug 10, 2009
 
Conflicting statements? Please point them out.

I haven't gotten into a full blown argument about this because I could tell you things about the Department of Dogs In Heat that would...well, nevermind and I am trying not to throw out names.

You are correct that the people that go here are adults and responsible for themselves. And you are also correct that the pool of people that DOC has to pull from is almost stagnant. Corrections Officers have a 97% divorce rate. I would say this is from the crazy shift hours they work, the stress that they're under everyday, bringing their work home everyday treating their families like inmates, and the rampant affairs. DOC knows this and the marital problems of these officers. That is why they have things like Employee Assistance Programs to pay for marital counseling, etc. for their employees.

So what do they do? They set up a 3 month course (and this is not the only training course where they go away for training, it's just the longest one) in far eastern Oklahoma to send their officers to. Most of them over 100 miles away from their families. They put them in a co-ed college dorm. They set policy for them and tell them, no text messaging in class, no drinking and driving state vehicles, you better not get caught under the influence on campus, no members of the opposite sex are allowed in your rooms. They give them a dorm host, and they house two training officers there.

http://www.doc.state.ok.us/adminservices/trai...

Why set this policy and then not enforce it? With all of the classes that are there and the saying of "what happens at CLEET stays at CLEET", do you think the training Staff doesn't know what goes on? Do you think they're not standing in class and can see people texting? Do you think they don't see their students sleeping in class because they didn't get back to their rooms until 2 in the morning and were hungover?

Take a marriage that's already on the rocks because of the crazy job. Take an officer that already lives in a screwed up world and doesn't feel that anyone on the outside understands what his/her job and life are like. Take that officer and put them in an unsupervised, co-ed college dorm where they are not only away from all of the stresses of life, i.e., bills, children, the every day rat race, running around like high school kids with no responsibilities (wow, the dream life after so much stress!), but they are doing all of this with people from the "inside" that understand them and can connect with them where their spouses can't. DOC is not ignorant to this. Why not enforce the policy they have? Can you honestly say you would be okay with your spouse living with several members of the opposite sex for 3 months with a load of drinking mixed into it? I don't think anyone wants their spouses living like that.

When you arrested them, did you take the time to watch them drive from the pavilion back to the college at about midnight? Could have made a lot of fine money!
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Aug 10, 2009
 
I almost forgot. Let's not forgoet the added stress of the spouse that is at home taking care of the family and adult life by themselves knowing that their significant others are living like they are and running around acting like high school kids. Knowing that the other people that are there with them are not the best class of people like you say. They are at home taking care of the kids by themselves, all of a sudden thrust into a single life. And it's not just corrections officers that are at this training. This causes an added stress to the marriage. The officers come home on the weekends (sometimes) and the stress and arguments continue. The the now single spouse has to watch them walk out of the house on Sunday night, knowing what is going to happen in the following week.

I realize that in today's society, marriage is not that important, and people think divorce are cheating are okay and it's going to happen. Tell that to their children.
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Aug 10, 2009
 
don't forget the use of state computers, email, and long distance phone calls to keep the affair up after cleet is over
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Aug 11, 2009
 
I'm not trying to argue either. Just trying to state my opinion and see where you are coming from. One conflicting statement was your differing length of the academy in several posts. In three seperate posts your time frame goes from 14-15 weeks, 6 weeks, and then to 11 weeks. I'm not accusing you of anything but I just figured someone who had been through would remember how long they were there.

Divorce rates are high today in all lines of work. Law enforcement just happens to be one of the highest. People know this when they come into this line of work, but then it is exciting and they don't really think about that.

I could care less what you know or who you know it on. If that is true then tell people that should be told and get something done. I am addressing the original reason for this thread which was telling people not to send their spouse to DOC training. Each cadet is responsible for him/herself and that is the bottom line. Could DOC do more to ensure that this stuff is not happening or at least limited? Yea probably so, but if the cadets want to do it it is going to happen.

I would have no problem sending my spouse to this or any other DOC or CLEET training. I have been through the CLEET academy while my wife was at home with our only child at the time. I did nothing wrong and completely trust my wife would do the same if the situation was reversed.

There is no department or agency out there without problems. Some are just bigger than others. Why not try to help get some of this changed instead of gripe about it in this forum? You may already have tried that I don't know.

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