To whom it may concern

United States

#22 May 16, 2011
What is selfish is that these guys decided to put other peoples lives in danger by fighting in the middle of the road.
just sayin

Waterloo, IL

#23 May 16, 2011
TO WHO THIS MAY CONCERN wrote:
I honestly beleive that all these dumb coments about what happen are stupid do you people who want to sit on here and bash and blame there is one dead with a family mourning and one in the hospital with many family and friends worried about him and how he will get past this so i am just here to let you all know that this is selfish.
selfish is having such little concern for your family... did anyone stop to think .. "hmm this fight isn't worth it.. fighting in the road could kill me, making my family miss me" ... no one thought of anything but that moment.. pointless fight at a bar.. It's a tragic loss on EVERYONE's part.. but sometimes people need to grow up, and take control of their own life, and think before they drink.
salty ray

United States

#24 May 16, 2011
VictimOfAdrunk wrote:
The law in IL says the operator of any vehicle involved in an "accident" where there is a fatality involved that operator must take a blood test. I think this may even hold true if the "accident" occurs on private property. I'm not saying the operator of the vehicle which struck these unfortunate men is TOTALLY at fault. But if he was drinking then he shares some of the blame. Its as simple as that. As a license operator you are to maintain control of the vehicle at ALL times. If there is ice on the road or fog or rain then you should slow down until you can operate said vehicle SAFELY under the current conditions. EVEN if it means you must come to a complete stop. Otherwise you are guilty of 1. Failure to reduce speed to avoid an accident or 2.Driving too fast for conditions.
. Not to detract from the REAL tragedy that comes from alcohol induced accidents, but if this accident is investigated and its discovered that visibility, distance and speed(if it was in the limit) were the reasons this accident was unavoidable in any circumstance then, morally, realistically, and technically, alcohol had no role, period(and there's no law anywhere that says motorists should expect riots in the middle of the highway at night and to slow down when you don't see one), accepting the reasoning that if he was obeyiing the law after drinking he wouldn't have been on the road at all, which is akin to saying anyone is responsible for anything that happens near them simply by being there(that's actually happened to me in a perking lot accident, the guy who hit me's insurance said I was 15% responsible by driving through the lot after leaving my space, I contested, and I won). Unfortunately the law probably won't make that disclaimer, and the guy that ran down a vehicle and forced a fight in the middle of the damn roads family will probably refuse to accept that the stupidity of fighting and road rage caused this, and take advantage of a chance to sue someone who's never raised a finger to hurt a soul. Fighting sucks, people who start fights...suck. 9 times out of ten a bar fight is over a slight bump, saying 'hi' to the "wrong" girl, a $2 drink, a look, or even less, and the ones who cant let that crap go, in my book, every single one, are wreckless homicide attemptors, and if every one who does it gets creamed, then praise jesus, cuz its his way of making the world safer. I don't know this dude, and I'm sorry for his family and friends, they lost someone forever, but I hope they all go home and teach their little backwoods kids that fighting is reserved for rare occasions of defending, usually someone ELSE, against just the kind of aggression that was probably the cause of this mess. Hate me if you want, I don't do potically correct, I'm a realist.

Since: Mar 11

Waterloo, IL

#25 May 16, 2011
loveit wrote:
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You don't even know what you are talking about. 1. Shane started the fight. 2. Tyler saw the car, pulled Andy out of the way and went back to grab Shane out of the way but they both were hit. TYLER IS A HERO! 3. The driver was charged with a DUI and pending other charges. Tyler went back not only for his bestfriend but also the one fighting his best friend. Tyler did nothing but put his life on the line for others.
1. The driver was not charged with a DUI as of yet. He took a BAT which results are not immediate.

2. Why in the hell do you want to have a fight in the middle of a highway that for one is stupid. Anyone there should have broken it up or took it someplace else. A highway..really?

3. How fast can you hit the brakes if its dark, misty/rainy, coming over a hill at the speed limit and all of a sudden see a silhouette of something ahead which you think might be an animal. Be for real..how many people on this forum has hit a deer or some other animal on the highway because you didn't brake or couldn't brake fast enough. The driver and his passenger will have to live with the sight of the dead person forever and get through it. I guarantee they will never forget it. If your wondering, yes, I do know the driver and his passenger and no I am not defending them because of it. I am just using common sense.
Wrong Again

United States

#26 May 16, 2011
Is it rude for me to ask about the nature of the fight?

Put all blame aside here and ask ourselves,"why were the fighting?" I doubt that it was anything worth losing a life and seriously affecting 2 others.

Every unneccessary loss of life is tragic. Too many people are foreced to ask themselves how the outcome may be different if they had acted differently.

Laying any blame is counterproductive.

God bless everyone affected.
friend

Waterloo, IL

#27 May 16, 2011
How about this one. Shane was leaving and got pulled out of his truck by the other 3 guys who started beating the s**t out of him in the middle of the road and there where people tryin to stop it just happen to be girls who could not. so dont tell me there are any heros in this and until you know all the facts you need to just let it be
cornball jackson

United States

#28 May 16, 2011
friend wrote:
How about this one. Shane was leaving and got pulled out of his truck by the other 3 guys who started beating the s**t out of him in the middle of the road and there where people tryin to stop it just happen to be girls who could not. so dont tell me there are any heros in this and until you know all the facts you need to just let it be
. Leaving where?
rte 159

Waterloo, IL

#29 May 16, 2011
The distance from the hill/curve is approx 1/4 mile from where the two were hit. Plenty of time to see anything in the middle of the road. Just the facts on this location. There is no immediate blind spot or hill that was crested. Just a 1/4 mile long stretch of unobstructed view.
huh

Waterloo, IL

#30 May 16, 2011
What was Shane doing there anyway why did he even go to their house? Don't act like he had no part in this!! He followed them from Paderborn to Red Bud not just to wish them goodnight.
blah blah

Waterloo, IL

#31 May 16, 2011
loveit wrote:
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You don't even know what you are talking about. 1. Shane started the fight. 2. Tyler saw the car, pulled Andy out of the way and went back to grab Shane out of the way but they both were hit. TYLER IS A HERO! 3. The driver was charged with a DUI and pending other charges. Tyler went back not only for his bestfriend but also the one fighting his best friend. Tyler did nothing but put his life on the line for others.
there are no heros in a situation like this.....
VictimOfAdrunk

Coulterville, IL

#32 May 16, 2011
You may want to believe this or not but I had a retired state policeman of 30 years once tell me that the percent of those who have consumed some amount of alcohol and driving after 12:30 AM is about 85% to 90%. The other 10% to 15% are coming home from or going to work or are responding to an emergency.
The percent of those doing other things like joyriding or getting something to eat or shopping with out having anything to drink, AT ALL, is VERY VERY low. This means 8.5 to 9 out of every ten people you pass at night after 12:30 AM have has some amount of alcohol and MANY of them have had TOO MUCH. So when you hear about things like this its clear someone involved has had too much to drink. When you have had family member killed by drunks you learn these kind of things. You also learn its hard from EVERYONE involved. This is why no one should drink and drive.
whoa

United States

#33 May 16, 2011
I was told by one of the victims best friends that tyler and whoever he was with were being chased by a couple of trucks and they stopped. And shane stopped and was trying to fight tyler or trylers friend..im not sure. Then tyler was trying to restrain shane and they stumbled into the street and the liefer that hit them was going over 70 and was drunk. So they wernt fighting IN the street. And reguardless of whatever happened who cares. Reguardless of whos fault or what could have, would have been done, a young man was killed and another seriously injured. Why does eveyone feel the need to point fingers? Im sure most of you have drank too much and drove home or have not been paying attention and almost hit a car or animal or median... i know i have.
concerned citizen

Saint Louis, MO

#34 May 16, 2011
Shane was a bouncer at the bar that night. The other kid was drunk and started a fight when shane told him the bar was closing.
cornball jackson

United States

#35 May 16, 2011
It'd be the first I've heard or seen of anybody there for the purpose of crowd control. Definately a good idea though.
mary m.

Waterloo, IL

#36 May 17, 2011
You should all get off here and go spend time with your family and friends. Life is too short. Maybe if something ever happens to your loved ones how would you feel seeing people make up lies on the Internet? You all need counseling. That's all.
LET THEM GRIEVE

Little Rock, AR

#37 May 17, 2011
The fact of the matter is this.....THERE IS A FAMILY OUT THERE THAT IS BURYING THEIR YOUNGEST SON!! You can all speculate or talk all you want, but I'm sure none of you were there and none of you know the whole story. NOBODY deserves what happened to Shane, no matter what the cause may have been. You people are absolutely hearltess! Let his family & friends grieve!!! What if this was your child or best friend????? Would you have a difference of opinion then???
Interesting

Waterloo, IL

#38 May 17, 2011
whoa wrote:
I was told by one of the victims best friends that tyler and whoever he was with were being chased by a couple of trucks and they stopped. And shane stopped and was trying to fight tyler or trylers friend..im not sure. Then tyler was trying to restrain shane and they stumbled into the street and the liefer that hit them was going over 70 and was drunk. So they wernt fighting IN the street. And reguardless of whatever happened who cares. Reguardless of whos fault or what could have, would have been done, a young man was killed and another seriously injured. Why does eveyone feel the need to point fingers? Im sure most of you have drank too much and drove home or have not been paying attention and almost hit a car or animal or median... i know i have.
So they had a radar gun with them and had the time to clock the moving car? Come On! Does that make any sense to you?
whoa

United States

#39 May 17, 2011
Interesting wrote:
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So they had a radar gun with them and had the time to clock the moving car? Come On! Does that make any sense to you?
thats what the police had said. I supose judging from the time he started breaking to where the vechicle stopped. I think they were all drunk or had been drinking at least.and dont jump my @$$ im just saying what i was told.
Interesting

Waterloo, IL

#40 May 17, 2011
whoa wrote:
<quoted text>thats what the police had said. I supose judging from the time he started breaking to where the vechicle stopped. I think they were all drunk or had been drinking at least.and dont jump my @$$ im just saying what i was told.
Then keep opinions and hearsay to yourself and no one will jump your a$$.
Seriously

Waterloo, IL

#41 May 17, 2011
Point is, if these guys wouldn't have been stopped on a highway in the dark, none of this would have happened. How can anyone argue that? A sober person driving to work could have hit them. I don't care how straight the road is, how clear of a night it is. Who drives down the highway thinking "I better keep my eyes peeled for drunk idiots fighting in the road"? Geez people. Common sense here.

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