Red Bluff OKs PATH shelter

Red Bluff OKs PATH shelter

There are 36 comments on the Red Bluff Daily News story from Feb 17, 2011, titled Red Bluff OKs PATH shelter. In it, Red Bluff Daily News reports that:

The City Council Tuesday approved rezoning this site on Breckenridge Street, which will allow PATH to build a homeless shelter there.

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John Lingenfelter

Anderson, CA

#1 Feb 17, 2011
I think a better place would be on Highway 99E just north of Mill Creek on the west side. It used to be a Roller Skating Rink,. I'm certain the nearby residents would not object.
Hoof Hearted

West Tehama County, CA

#2 Feb 17, 2011
Hey - I'm in the neighborhood, very close, and I say AWESOME!! They need a place to stay, in the dead of winter and in the heat of summer. I am concerned though for the back woods area of Forward Park. All I ask is that the city can either patrol for, or respond immediately to encampments within the park so that it is safe and harassment free for children to play, bike and hike throughout the park. The park hasn't had too many of those problems in the past but I can see it quickly becoming popular as an overflow to the shelter. Even a needle disposal at the shelter where they can be thrown away safely instead of littered would be huge.

Thanks RB council for the opportunity for the homeless. Interesting that Schmid voted no. I thought we had similar opinions.
Mick

Chico, CA

#3 Feb 17, 2011
"If you build it, they will come."

Oh yeah!
OK Rezone

Redding, CA

#4 Feb 17, 2011
So its ok to rezone a homless shealter project but not a medical marijauna dispensary. What the hell is wrong with this picture. Homeless bring no income. Just theft and drunkness, not to mention meth. The people of the board have no ideal whats really going on out there in the community. Backyard neighbors complaning about the shealter, means you do not build. If the same community members cried about medical marijauna you board members ban the shit out of it. Whats up? Oh and this is off topix but i like how the grand jury guy that passed away they turn off the comment section. THATS CRAP, but its ok to go out and let other local people get slandered all day like its no big deal. We'll see about that

Since: Oct 10

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#6 Feb 17, 2011
John Lingenfelter wrote:
I think a better place would be on Highway 99E just north of Mill Creek on the west side. It used to be a Roller Skating Rink,. I'm certain the nearby residents would not object.
That's a great idea John!

But that would place the PATH shelter almost directly across the highway from Mazz. I really don't think he takes kindly to folks walkin' around thereabouts cuz he has very unfriendly KEEP OUT signs posted on his property.
He seems to take his personal property rights very seriously.
IMO of course.
Roland McClean

Durham, CA

#7 Feb 17, 2011
Amarillo by morning wrote:
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That's a great idea John!
But that would place the PATH shelter almost directly across the highway from Mazz. I really don't think he takes kindly to folks walkin' around thereabouts cuz he has very unfriendly KEEP OUT signs posted on his property.
He seems to take his personal property rights very seriously.
IMO of course.
Oh! So Mazz is a do-gooder nimby huh? Okay for the rest of us but "Not in my backyard"? Figures, no wonder he's a Liberal.

“Stupidity should be outlawed”

Since: Nov 09

Redding, CA

#8 Feb 17, 2011
Amarillo by morning wrote:
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That's a great idea John!
But that would place the PATH shelter almost directly across the highway from Mazz. I really don't think he takes kindly to folks walkin' around thereabouts cuz he has very unfriendly KEEP OUT signs posted on his property.
He seems to take his personal property rights very seriously.
IMO of course.
Interesting! One would think that ol' Richard would have a big rainbow colored welcome sign with unicorns and stars on it proclaiming warm and fuzzy greetings to the poor and homeless. What up Mazz?? Why the ominous warnings to stay off? I needs me a handout! Hope he don't have guard dogs too!! LOL!!!!!

“Sustainable and Spiritual Soul”

Since: Nov 09

Los Molinos, CA

#9 Feb 18, 2011
Amarillo by morning wrote:
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That's a great idea John!
But that would place the PATH shelter almost directly across the highway from Mazz. I really don't think he takes kindly to folks walkin' around thereabouts cuz he has very unfriendly KEEP OUT signs posted on his property.
He seems to take his personal property rights very seriously.
IMO of course.
Please refrain from speaking on my behalf. For the record I have absolutely no objection to citing a homeless shelter on or adjacent to my property, and though I cannot speak for others, I think most of my neighbors would not object if PATH were to propose such a faciity. However since they desire a location with public sewer and water service and have identified a property for sale that meets these conditions and is now zoned for such a facility your suggestion is moot. I would further submit that in general liberals are more supportive of providing homeless shelters than are area conservatives and more willing to put their money where their mouths are. Contrary to the conservative rhetoric the majority of charitable funding for humanitarian efforts come from those with liberal persuasions as do their more than fare share of taxes.

I for one am proud of the people of Red Bluff and their council for being supportive of PATH's efforts and believe that with proper design and management that the new shelter will help alleviate rather than increase neighborhood problems with homeless persons.
Pat Johnston

Placerville, CA

#10 Feb 18, 2011
John Lingenfelter wrote:
I think a better place would be on Highway 99E just north of Mill Creek on the west side. It used to be a Roller Skating Rink,. I'm certain the nearby residents would not object.
That is a ridiculous idea. How would homeless get to Mill Creek? They don't have cars. It's too far too walk, especially down 99e,especially if your disabled or a child. Are you going to bus them? Whose going to pay for that? These are people, not sardines. It's not about warehousing them. It is about trying to help those who want and need help. It's about trying to get them off of streets and giving them a hand up. No wonder your such a supporter of Embezzlyman Nielson. Have you no empathy or compassion for anyone less fortunate than you?

The Breckinridge location is perfect. Close to bus stops, resources to help them get on their feet, stores. Hope Chest and Family Services right there. Law enforcement and citizens drive by and can keep an eye on things.

PATH put in a transitional housing for women and children in the Sale House and its a big improvement over when the county had it! It has also helped a lot of women and children get back on their feet. It is located right down the street from me and I am glad it is there. No problems, house well-maintained.

It has been a long time, since I have been proud of my City Council, but they finally did the right thing. I'm proud of you!I'm proud of PATH too! Things are getting better in Tehama County and Red Bluff!

Forget The Dog

Costa Mesa, CA

#11 Feb 18, 2011
What a bunch of crap, all this will do is kill RB economy even further. AS of right now, RB has the highest rate of crime per capita in the Northern California Territory. By bringing in a Homeless shelter into the town we will just be attracting more people that will be stealing and harrasing us and our kids. Great Job RB now i will be moving away, a good taxpaying citizen, in exchange for a homeless, probably drunken drug user, who doesnt pay any taxes or work towards improving our economy.
sanity

Shasta Lake, CA

#12 Feb 18, 2011
Forget The Dog wrote:
What a bunch of crap, all this will do is kill RB economy even further. AS of right now, RB has the highest rate of crime per capita in the Northern California Territory. By bringing in a Homeless shelter into the town we will just be attracting more people that will be stealing and harrasing us and our kids. Great Job RB now i will be moving away, a good taxpaying citizen, in exchange for a homeless, probably drunken drug user, who doesnt pay any taxes or work towards improving our economy.
With a shelter it is easier for the police to identify and observe the transient desperate population. Desperation breeds bad decisions. If you feel safe, have a warm place to sleep and enough to eat, you can start finding a way out of your situation.
Pat Johnston

Placerville, CA

#13 Feb 18, 2011
Amarillo by morning wrote:
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That's a great idea John!
But that would place the PATH shelter almost directly across the highway from Mazz. I really don't think he takes kindly to folks walkin' around thereabouts cuz he has very unfriendly KEEP OUT signs posted on his property.
He seems to take his personal property rights very seriously.
IMO of course.
You would think John's idea is great lemon tree in the freezing morning. You have about as much empathy and compassion for your less lucky Americans as John.
John Lingenfelter

Anderson, CA

#14 Feb 18, 2011
Pat Johnston wrote:
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You would think John's idea is great lemon tree in the freezing morning. You have about as much empathy and compassion for your less lucky Americans as John.
Pat you obviously do not have a keen eye for sarcasm. The location I tongue-in-cheek referred to is across from Mazzucchi's house!

Read the warning directions on the old hair dye Pat, it's dangerous if you have too much exposure, it's like lead to the brain.
Mooving Experience

Forest Ranch, CA

#15 Feb 18, 2011
Forget The Dog wrote:
What a bunch of crap, all this will do is kill RB economy even further. AS of right now, RB has the highest rate of crime per capita in the Northern California Territory. By bringing in a Homeless shelter into the town we will just be attracting more people that will be stealing and harrasing us and our kids. Great Job RB now i will be moving away, a good taxpaying citizen, in exchange for a homeless, probably drunken drug user, who doesnt pay any taxes or work towards improving our economy.
Your blanket denigration of people without homes is both denigrating and reflective of your ignorance. The chief of police, who has live here all is life, stated that most city crime is not done by the homeless, and that stereotypes are inappropriate. The type of homeless people attracted to shelters are not criminal drug users but those that want to improve their lot. The drug users and deliberately homeless will continue to hang out under bridges and in tents at Dog Island park, while a shelter will help those wanting to get of the streets get and stay clean. The tax revenues collected as homeless people become productive citizens will by far offset your personal contributions and Red Bluff will prosper by keeping the homeless off the streets and folks like you leave town....
Mick

United States

#16 Feb 18, 2011
Mooving Experience wrote:
<quoted text>Your blanket denigration of people without homes is both denigrating and reflective of your ignorance. The chief of police, who has live here all is life, stated that most city crime is not done by the homeless, and that stereotypes are inappropriate. The type of homeless people attracted to shelters are not criminal drug users but those that want to improve their lot. The drug users and deliberately homeless will continue to hang out under bridges and in tents at Dog Island park, while a shelter will help those wanting to get of the streets get and stay clean. The tax revenues collected as homeless people become productive citizens will by far offset your personal contributions and Red Bluff will prosper by keeping the homeless off the streets and folks like you leave town....
Why don't you do a little research and get back to us with real facts instead of your personal opinions posed as facts. What if someone were to put a liquor store on the corner of Breckenridge and Washington would that pass your sniff test? Oh but wait, they would be required to contact every single property owner in the area to get their approval. This whole thing stinks in my opinion and I see a possible lawsuit in the makings.
Forget The Dog

Costa Mesa, CA

#17 Feb 23, 2011
Mooving Experience wrote:
<quoted text>Your blanket denigration of people without homes is both denigrating and reflective of your ignorance. The chief of police, who has live here all is life, stated that most city crime is not done by the homeless, and that stereotypes are inappropriate. The type of homeless people attracted to shelters are not criminal drug users but those that want to improve their lot. The drug users and deliberately homeless will continue to hang out under bridges and in tents at Dog Island park, while a shelter will help those wanting to get of the streets get and stay clean. The tax revenues collected as homeless people become productive citizens will by far offset your personal contributions and Red Bluff will prosper by keeping the homeless off the streets and folks like you leave town....
I remember this one time I saw a homeless drug addict get back on his feet and get a great job and start contributing to the community. Oh wait that is just another one of your uneducated guesses and attempts at using large words to compensate for you inablity to process the truth. Your large words shadow your brain cells from the real world. I have never seen a homeless person become a productive citizen. More than likely the person has become homeless due to lack of progress in their life, inablity to keep a job is not always because of the economy, alot of the times it is due to the person doing the job at an inconsistent level of efficiency. And more often than not that person is using drugs or alcohol. I have worked with the homeless in this community, and find it hard to believe that most will become productive citizens of the community at any time in the future, due to drug and alcohol abuse.
sanity

Redding, CA

#18 Feb 24, 2011
Forget The Dog wrote:
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I remember this one time I saw a homeless drug addict get back on his feet and get a great job and start contributing to the community. Oh wait that is just another one of your uneducated guesses and attempts at using large words to compensate for you inablity to process the truth. Your large words shadow your brain cells from the real world. I have never seen a homeless person become a productive citizen. More than likely the person has become homeless due to lack of progress in their life, inablity to keep a job is not always because of the economy, alot of the times it is due to the person doing the job at an inconsistent level of efficiency. And more often than not that person is using drugs or alcohol. I have worked with the homeless in this community, and find it hard to believe that most will become productive citizens of the community at any time in the future, due to drug and alcohol abuse.
Wow, you don't get it do you? I know teachers that became homeless because of layoffs. I know other people who became homeless when they became too ill to work. I know other people who became homeless when their jobs were sent overseas. Some people are fortunate enough to have family that they can move in with, but some are not so fortunate. I have seen homeless become homed after one of them gets work. You must wear some very dark glasses to not see the reality.

You go several months with poor nutrition, scrambling to survive. You go several months being victimized or people trying to make you their slaves. You get abused and lets see if you stay sober after several months. Some people may be trying to hide from their nightmares, not knowing that the very substances they are using increases the nightmares even more.

Our society now values a human by the job they have. Without a job, you are treated as less than human. You become de-humanized. We keep dogs as pets, yet we treat our fellow humans like dirt if they do not "perform". "Efficiency is for robots, humanity is for humans."
Forge the dog

Costa Mesa, CA

#19 Feb 24, 2011
sanity wrote:
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Wow, you don't get it do you? I know teachers that became homeless because of layoffs. I know other people who became homeless when they became too ill to work. I know other people who became homeless when their jobs were sent overseas. Some people are fortunate enough to have family that they can move in with, but some are not so fortunate. I have seen homeless become homed after one of them gets work. You must wear some very dark glasses to not see the reality.
You go several months with poor nutrition, scrambling to survive. You go several months being victimized or people trying to make you their slaves. You get abused and lets see if you stay sober after several months. Some people may be trying to hide from their nightmares, not knowing that the very substances they are using increases the nightmares even more.
Our society now values a human by the job they have. Without a job, you are treated as less than human. You become de-humanized. We keep dogs as pets, yet we treat our fellow humans like dirt if they do not "perform". "Efficiency is for robots, humanity is for humans."
Yes you make some very strong points, and yes I do get it, you actually say it yourself in your quote, you will scramble to survive. Scrambling entails what? Maybe breaking into a store or home to look for food? What exactly happens when you scramble for food? Do they go out and kill a animal for their nutrition just like some people? because when someone scrambles to survive they do drastic things like breaking into a home or car or store, the places that your "robots" have built to support their families.

This is kind of getting to far out of hand, MY POINT IS THIS , there are already several folks that are homeless in Red Bluff, by adding this shelter, there will be more homeless people attracted to this town. With an added population of people "scrambling" to survive it is very likely that the crime will rise as well. Iam all for helping the homeless population, as I have worked with and help them on several occasions with food and water. Why would you put a shelter right in the middle of town, why not out of town so that there temptations of commiting a crme is lessened.
Forge the dog

Costa Mesa, CA

#20 Feb 24, 2011
The fact of the matter is, while there may be some homeless that are trying to do well for themselves, there are several more that are criminals. Those criminals outweigh by far the homeless people that are actually trying to make a better life for themselves.
sanity

Redding, CA

#21 Feb 24, 2011
Did you know there are towns now that are burying the "indigent" in mass graves? There are babies being buried 20 to a box? We know not the numbers of people who may be dying. The news no longer tells us the truth. Over 40,000 reporters have been laid off since the media takeover by Fox and Clear channel radio. We don't get real news anymore, just chatter about this movie star or that.

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