Eleven suspects charged in heroin ring

Eleven suspects charged in heroin ring

There are 15 comments on the The Morning Call story from Nov 9, 2007, titled Eleven suspects charged in heroin ring. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Eleven people were charged with distributing heroin in central Pennsylvania that they allegedly purchased in Allentown and Reading.

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NostraTimus

Tucson, AZ

#1 Nov 9, 2007
So now, Allenswamp is exporting Heroin to the rest of the state.

Is is this part of Pawlowski's economic revitalization plan???

These people must have worked hard at setting up these deals. Why can't they work hard at doing something legal.

Oh yeah, there just aint much opportunity for legal careers in Allenswamp.

Yeh well, keep voting Democrat there Allenswamp.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#2 Nov 9, 2007
As more gangs have moved into the Lehigh Valley in the past five years, to replace those that police have interdicted, they have increased the number of gangs with each looking to enlarge their piece of the pie.

In the 1990's ther were two gangs. As Rudy Guiliani chased the dumber and less organized gangs out of Manhatten those gangs drove across Rte 22 and 78 to the Lehigh Valley. In 2004 local police succeeded in breaking up two of the gangs and the resulting gang war both increased the number of gangs svying for the market and gave Allentown its record homicide rate, including innocent by-standers, in 2005.

As the Morning Call reported it on Aug. 11, 2005 in an article titled: "Allentown police: Major drug busts fuel killing sprees"

"Law enforcement officials dealing with Allentown's epidemic of homicides said they might be victims of their own success, with violent street dealers battling to fill the vacuum left by the dismantling of two major drug rings within the past year."

The result of all ofthis is that now there are seven gangs in Allentown all looking to make and grow their market. They will grow that market out into the most remote reaches of the region because there are bored white people there with money.

The markets will continue to grow because that is the nature of unregulated markets. Just as over-regulation stifles the profitability and gorwth of markets conversely, unregulated markets are profitable and grow exponentially.

Police interdiction simply creates market opportunity for competing gangs by taking the dumber gangsters off the street.

Every market opportunity created by police is fought over by multiple gangs and once they settle their differences the winners each seek to grow their market share. Two gangs take over from one and each wants to make as much as the gang replaced.

People incarcerated become permanently classified as criminals with far fewer legal economic opportunities and a fresh new commitment to the illegal trades for sustenance.

Every success drug busts creates more gang opportunities and more career criminals.
NostraTimus

Tucson, AZ

#3 Nov 9, 2007
So Aaphat, you are saying that it would be better to just let people buy, sell and do highly addictive drugs like Herion that make people crazy and destroys their bodies.

Uh,,,yeah,,,uh.

That's just plain DUMB!!!
Give me a break

Easton, PA

#4 Nov 9, 2007
Legalize drugs and the same people who get arrested for dealing/trafficking will eventually find their way into court for the other laws that they break.

We need to accept the fact that some people serve only as a drain on society as a whole. And they do so willingly.

People incarcerated have the chance to go straight. Many exit prison and continue a life of lawlessness.

The DOJ calls this "recidivism". The average person sees at as being a career criminal.
a reader

AOL

#5 Nov 9, 2007
these pushers ....so young....and so worthless.
assphat

Blue Bell, PA

#6 Nov 9, 2007
why dont you take some heron and do us a favor
Ex-AllentownBum

Tallahassee, FL

#7 Nov 10, 2007
aahpat, as you may already know; kill the need and the supply will no longer be needed, right?
Society is blind to this fact. Just like sex. Most are slaves to their needs, hence the dealers.
If drugs were legal and taxed I bet our crime rate would still be high, but this time it would be the dealers getting mugged/robbed.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#8 Nov 10, 2007
NostraTimus wrote:
So Aaphat, you are saying that it would be better to just let people buy, sell and do highly addictive drugs like Herion that make people crazy and destroys their bodies.
Uh,,,yeah,,,uh.
That's just plain DUMB!!!
I am saying that criminalization of the disaease of addiction simply increases the crime endlessly. It does nothing to address the addiction.

We can reduce crime and addiction better with a medicalized approach to addiction and drug use. The harms done to some individuals by addiction are not as bad as the harms done to society by abandoning those people to addiction, as we do today, where they become criminals committing hundreds of dollars a day in crime against US to support their addiction.

There are better ways to do it that reduce the crime and addiction.

The current policy subsidizes crime in America and terrorism around the world. Including the Taliban and alQaida. I want to stop that. You 'just say no'.

Swiss heroin model reporting benefits
http://www.swissinfo.org/eng/front/detail/Swi...

"In Switzerland, the medicalisation of heroin use has helped change the image of users: from rebels to losers," Nordt said. "In the eyes of the young, they're mostly just sick people, forced to get medical help."

Reduced consequences

The harm reduction policy followed by the Swiss authorities has also been successful in reducing heroin-related deaths, which have fallen by more than half over the course of a decade, and the transmission of Aids.

And there is more good news concerning the fight against crime and prostitution.

"Compared with countries like Britain, where crime is very often linked to substance abuse, this trend has almost disappeared in Switzerland over the last few years," said Nordt."

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#9 Nov 10, 2007
Give me a break wrote:
Legalize drugs and the same people who get arrested for dealing/trafficking will eventually find their way into court for the other laws that they break.
We need to accept the fact that some people serve only as a drain on society as a whole. And they do so willingly.
People incarcerated have the chance to go straight. Many exit prison and continue a life of lawlessness.
The DOJ calls this "recidivism". The average person sees at as being a career criminal.
Prisons are universities of crime. People go in and learn the culture. Once criminalized in America a person has almost no chance at all of being allowed to return to the legitimate economy. They must then resort to crime for economic sustainence. This is the rule not the exception.

Recidivism rates tripled in America when we started pee testing pople. Most go back to prison for failing a simple minded urine test not for committing a crime against another person.

And it is a racist system that locks up minorities at a rate three times or more that of whites even though most drug use in America is by white people.

And as we arrest more people for drugs our criminal justice resources are diverted from real crime.

PENNSYLVANIA ARREST RATES PER 100,000

DRUG ABUSE OFFENSES
1980 117.9
2004 429.8

MURDER
1980 5.8
2004 4.4

RAPE
1980 12.7
2004 10.4

ROBBERY
1980 70.2
2004 54.4

BURGLARY
1980 179.0
2004 80.5

LARCENY/THEFT
1980 391.7
2004 321.6

MOTOR VEHICLE THEFT
1980 53.9
2004 41.4

INDEX CRIMES (the total of violent and property crimes.)
1980 806.9
2004 646.6

The number of offenses reported in 2004 increased 29% over 1980 and the number of offenses cleared decreased from 61.2% to 59%.
Source: PA Commission on Crime and Delinquency http://www.pccd.state.pa.us/pccd/cwp/view.asp...

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#10 Nov 10, 2007
According to the PA Department of corrections annual statistical report for 2005 total drug offenders in state prison 6,420 15.1% of the population.

White 1,218
Black 3,748
Hispanic 1,428
Asian 17
Indian 4
Other 5
Male 6,047
Female 373

At $ 35,000 each that is $ 224.7-million a year that we are spending in Pennsylvania to keep people in our state prison. County prison populations may easily eclipse that number.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#11 Nov 10, 2007
Our criminal justice system is so clogged with drug offenses that the government does not have the time or resources to investigate real crime.

Pot arrests alone consume the full time of 78 thousand police officers each year. Police officers who could be investigating real crime.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#12 Nov 10, 2007
Ex-AllentownBum wrote:
aahpat, as you may already know; kill the need and the supply will no longer be needed, right?
Society is blind to this fact. Just like sex. Most are slaves to their needs, hence the dealers.
If drugs were legal and taxed I bet our crime rate would still be high, but this time it would be the dealers getting mugged/robbed.
I take your point. Reduce the demand to the criminal markets and there will be fewer dollars to entice people into crime in the first place. the $ 141 billion annual U.S. consumer demand for intoxicant drugs entices thousands of people into crime who would not do so otherwise.

I think there are a lot of reasons that crime would subside over time with medicalization and decriminalization.

The small population of addicts in the community commit most of the street crime to support habits worth hndreds of dollars a day. Get those people into clinics and they stop committing that street crime. Including selling to new potential addicts and this reduces the addict population.

the drug black markets subsidize the illegal gun demand in America making guns cheap and easy to get. The greatest demand for illegal guns in America is the drug gangsters. regulate the market and the gangsters can no longer support a large sales force protected by guns. The demand for illegal guns would be reduced. Reduced demand for guns would make them less available and more expensive. We can reduce all types of gun crime by ending the drug prohibition that supports plentiful cheap illegal guns on our streets today.

Violence will recede over time.

In the first year that states were adopting alcohol prohibition laws, 1914, there were 82 police officers killed by intentional gunfire. In 1920, the first full year of Prohibition, 142 officers died by intentional gunfire. By 1932, the last full year of Prohibition, 156 officers died by intentional gunfire. In 1940 51 police officers died by intentional gunfire. Almost every year in between 1932-1940 saw declines in officer gunshot deaths regardless of the economic trials of the Great Depression.
(Officer Down Memorial Page: http://www.odmp.org/ )

As long as intoxicant drug distribution is illegal it will act as a huge subsidy program that will inspire greater proliferation on our streets of cheap and plentiful illegal guns.

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#14 Nov 10, 2007
Let Adam Smith be the drug pusher
Jay Hancock - Baltimore Sun business and finance columnist
November 7, 2007

http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.h...

"There is a way to stop Baltimore's murder epidemic. Improve Baltimore's schools. Revive Baltimore's neighborhoods. And it doesn't involve more police, higher taxes or longer prison sentences.

Instead, it requires restructuring what is possibly the city's biggest industry.

Legalize heroin and cocaine sales, and you erase the economic force behind Baltimore's heartache.

Would it lead to new addicts? Of course. Would it send a bad message to kids? Yep. Would it cause problems we can't envisage? Probably. And it would be an enormous improvement."
(snip)
"Billions blown on the drug wars and prisons could be spent instead on tax cuts and schools - and drug treatment and drug education. With no narcotics lords as role models, more city kids might pay attention to schoolwork. With less city violence, more companies might move in to employ them.

And Baltimore murders, a daily occurrence, might fall to one a week.

But don't legalize drugs just for Baltimore. Do it for American troops fighting insurgents financed by narcotics. Do it for the people of Afghanistan, Colombia and Peru, where drug money keeps outlaw warlords in business and prevents the countries from joining the developed world. If Baltimore and all its problems were a nation, you'd get Colombia, where narco-gangsters rule and the United States has spent more than $2 billion trying in vain to stop the cocaine flow.

Illegal drug money finances bad guys all over the world. Dispensing legal heroin and cocaine bought through licensed, controlled sources would strike a bigger blow against terrorism than a lot of what Washington is doing and at a much cheaper price."

“Racism is un-American”

Since: Dec 06

America

#16 Nov 10, 2007
This group sounds like a small network of friends distributing among themselves.

Fact is the problematic addicted population is today a very small portion of the total using population. The drag net tactic of the drug war waste billions in government resources attacking the entire 40 million plus drug using population when, in a regulated system, the resources could be better focused on the one or two million actual problematic population.

Criminalizing casual users who are as likely to stop using the stuff after a time simply forces them more into the criminal culture and premanent dependence on crime for basic economic sustenance.

Especially drug dealing which means more children are exposed to drugs because we are growing the population of addict dealers who are already economically dependent on selling.
Diego Delafuente

United States

#18 Dec 22, 2011
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