Ravenna death possibly tied to 'smile...

Ravenna death possibly tied to 'smiley face' killing spree

There are 17 comments on the WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story from Aug 16, 2008, titled Ravenna death possibly tied to 'smiley face' killing spree. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

In 2005, the Ravenna community scoured the area after 22-year-old Todd Geib went missing for three weeks.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan.

froggy log

Madison, WI

#1 Aug 16, 2008
This case gives me the creeps. I think murders are happening. And Terrorists could be a link to them. Its scary. And I am not being Coooky, either.
Wierdos Anonymous

Lawrence, MI

#2 Aug 16, 2008
Gawd! What is going on in peoples heads?

I don't think it's a group. The first thing that comes to mind is a 40-50 yr. old serial killer, who is envious of what he never became. A college student/athlete.

Because they are geographically scattered, mostly in the Midwest, it would suggest someone who travels for a living. A truck driver most likely.

FTA-""New York City private investigators, including some retired FBI agents, say they are looking into more than 40 seemingly accidental drownings, mostly in the Midwest, that have too many similarities to be coincidental.

The detectives linked those deaths together and believe the "smiley face killers" - a group they say targets college-aged athletic men who leave bars or parties - committed the crimes, leaving the victims in a body of water.

"In our hearts, we do think Todd's death is very, very, very similar to these 'smiley face' gang murders," said Kathy.

"Generally speaking, a victim will know their murderer. In these cases, we would say that these victims are not picked randomly. Generally speaking, the victims are stalked and they are chosen for a very specific reason.""

Since: Jul 08

Colorado Springs, CO

#3 Aug 16, 2008
froggy log wrote:
This case gives me the creeps. I think murders are happening. And Terrorists could be a link to them. Its scary. And I am not being Coooky, either.
It's scary that the murders could be done and essentially done in such a way that the murders are getting away with it.

But it's not terroriists...they like the attention. They wouldn't let it go as accidental.
froggy log

Madison, WI

#4 Aug 16, 2008
ListenUpNow wrote:
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It's scary that the murders could be done and essentially done in such a way that the murders are getting away with it.
But it's not terroriists...they like the attention. They wouldn't let it go as accidental.
You never know if terrorists are killing people here or not. Look at how many missing people there are.
just me

Grand Rapids, MI

#5 Aug 16, 2008
What a poorly written story.. too many unanswered questions... confusing..

Get an intern to fix it..

What do you mean "people like him".. What,? retarded, gay, white males of certain age, people who can't swim ..what?

And a 'group' that goes around killing? doubtful.. maybe one nut job.. but a group? there has never been a secret kept by a group of people for any length of time...

It must be hard on a parent to lose a child.. I hope they find some acceptance someday.. either if it was an accident or murder...

rval3

Since: Jul 08

United States

#6 Aug 16, 2008
froggy log wrote:
<quoted text>You never know if terrorists are killing people here or not. Look at how many missing people there are.
terrorists kill in bulk, not one-by-one

Since: Jul 08

Colorado Springs, CO

#7 Aug 16, 2008
froggy log wrote:
<quoted text>You never know if terrorists are killing people here or not. Look at how many missing people there are.
You sound paranoid....
jEn

Grand Haven, MI

#8 Aug 16, 2008
just me wrote:
What a poorly written story.. too many unanswered questions... confusing..
Get an intern to fix it..
What do you mean "people like him".. What,? retarded, gay, white males of certain age, people who can't swim ..what?
And a 'group' that goes around killing? doubtful.. maybe one nut job.. but a group? there has never been a secret kept by a group of people for any length of time...
It must be hard on a parent to lose a child.. I hope they find some acceptance someday.. either if it was an accident or murder...
The article states that the group targets "college-age, athletic men who leave bars or parties". That's what they are referring to when they say "people like him" This is quite an upsetting story. Can't recall hearing anything in the past about these so-called smiley face killers. Pretty sure they're not terrorists...we have crazy people in our own country that are capable of doing such a horrific act. Parents' worst nightmare.
froggy log

Madison, WI

#9 Aug 16, 2008
ListenUpNow wrote:
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You sound paranoid....
No, Just Exasperating.
Who Knew

United States

#10 Aug 17, 2008
Weirdo's you are off base on this one.

Geib's name has been on the list for awhile. It's just that many Law Enforcement dept's are not interested enough to take this seriously or admit their error in a rush to close the death.

We have known for years that there had to be a connection. It wasn't until Chris Jenkins family dumped their entire life into his death investigation, defying obvious scrutiny by nay sayers similiar to yourself, that it became national news. The Detectives in New York should be commended. They too have gone against the grain and broke this open in a way that will allow the truth to be told and the cases to be solved - hopefully. We are closer now than ever.

The Michigan grunts that have been tracking this since 1999 know that it is absolutely possible that true evil exists and in such an organized way.

My very best to the family of this young man and may he forever RIP. You have had thoughts and prayers sent your way since your son died and it is my sincere prayer that somehow someway these young mens lives are accounted for and the killing stops. Lord knows we already have enough grief in this world.
Weirdos Anonymous

Lawrence, MI

#11 Aug 17, 2008
Who Knew wrote:
Weirdo's you are off base on this one.
Geib's name has been on the list for awhile. It's just that many Law Enforcement dept's are not interested enough to take this seriously or admit their error in a rush to close the death.
We have known for years that there had to be a connection. It wasn't until Chris Jenkins family dumped their entire life into his death investigation, defying obvious scrutiny by nay sayers similiar to yourself, that it became national news. The Detectives in New York should be commended. They too have gone against the grain and broke this open in a way that will allow the truth to be told and the cases to be solved - hopefully. We are closer now than ever.
The Michigan grunts that have been tracking this since 1999 know that it is absolutely possible that true evil exists and in such an organized way.
My very best to the family of this young man and may he forever RIP. You have had thoughts and prayers sent your way since your son died and it is my sincere prayer that somehow someway these young mens lives are accounted for and the killing stops. Lord knows we already have enough grief in this world.
Sorry.

I just know of a sociopath who claims to be a serial killer which was never taken serious by law enforcement. The sickest thing is he professes to be smarter than law enforcement and will never be caught. Perhaps he's right.

This M.O. would fit in with his sick mindset which serves solely to throw off law enforcement.

Being that the sick individual never graduated, was tossed from the army as under educated so he never got his GI, I'd say that would be enough to make him jealous of young college athletes. Someone he could and will never be.

No disrespect intended. Just offering an opinion.
When I said "what is going on in peoples heads?" I meant psycho's. Not investigators or family members of the victims.

Who Knew

United States

#12 Aug 17, 2008
Ahh...thanks for your patience with me.

Certainly I read your post as more skeptical and less appreciative of the bizarre angle. My apologies.

It is a story to be told like a sci fi hollywood fiction if it wasn't so sick.

You acqaintence (sp) appears to be struggling. I hope he doesn't lose it at the expense of another person.
Weirdos Anonymous

Lawrence, MI

#13 Aug 17, 2008
Who Knew wrote:
Ahh...thanks for your patience with me.
Certainly I read your post as more skeptical and less appreciative of the bizarre angle. My apologies.
It is a story to be told like a sci fi hollywood fiction if it wasn't so sick.
You acqaintence (sp) appears to be struggling. I hope he doesn't lose it at the expense of another person.
Another, others, who knows?

He said he had killed X number of people as of 6 years ago. Hopefully he was just joking because the cops seemed to blow it off rather quickly.
Some how I don't think he was joking though. I think he meant it.

If he was being serious, I sure hope he gets caught some day. He said truck drivers have the best opportunity. They can kill someone and be out of the area before the victim is ever suspected missing. He really said that, yes.
proudparent

United States

#14 Aug 22, 2008
I just know of a sociopath who claims to be a serial killer which was never taken serious by law enforcement.

Weirdos Anonymous
United States

Can you somehow get this persons name to the two detectives that are looking into the connection of the men....I think it would be worth them taking a look...
I believe it

United States

#15 Aug 24, 2008
Weirdos Anonymous wrote:
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Another, others, who knows?
He said he had killed X number of people as of 6 years ago. Hopefully he was just joking because the cops seemed to blow it off rather quickly.
Some how I don't think he was joking though. I think he meant it.
If he was being serious, I sure hope he gets caught some day. He said truck drivers have the best opportunity. They can kill someone and be out of the area before the victim is ever suspected missing. He really said that, yes.
Have you ever heard of Keith Jesperson? Same thing. Only his victims were women. He was dubbed "The Happy Face Killer".
http://www.francesfarmersrevenge.com/stuff/se...

""This 40-year-old trucker is presently in jail in Washington state awaiting sentencing for kidnapping, raping and strangling a woman in March, 1995. Keith, bothered by his guilty conscience, confessed to killing eight women throughout five states. He was dubbed the "Happy Face Killer" by authorities after he started sending neatly printed letters to the media with happy faces drawn atop in which he boasted of his deeds. ""

Being a truck driver definitely gave him opportunity.
ExposeThemAll

Akron, OH

#16 Sep 11, 2008
Its common in balck gangs to have initiation rites such as attacking,raping, robbing and killing white people. This has been going on for decades.

Google "Zebra Killings" and read about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_murders

Black muslim and black power groups kill whites all the time and they even have a point system.

ExposeThemAll

Akron, OH

#17 Sep 11, 2008
Its common in balck gangs to have initiation rites such as attacking,raping, robbing and killing white people. This has been going on for decades.

Google "Zebra Killings" and read about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zebra_murders

Black muslim and black power groups kill whites all the time and they even have a point system.

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