Minimum wage
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#101 Feb 19, 2013
independent wrote:
<quoted text>
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
...Betwixt the far left and far right polarizing, mind numbingly and galactically stupid entrenched stubborness of your types it is a miracle the country isn't in full scale civil war by now. People like you guys really are the problem. Arrogant jackaSS know it alls that find it impossible to LISTEN and have true dialogue. Its all just about winning and losing - so everyone loses and our political and social environment has settled into a constant state war.
Friekin morons.
Tell us,
Would this be an example of the middle ground you seek,
or this is just too polarizing for your tastes.

Published on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 by Knight-Ridder
Doubts, Dissent Stripped from Public Version of Iraq Assessment
by Jonathan S. Landay
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0210-...

WASHINGTON - The public version of the U.S. intelligence community's key prewar assessment of Iraq's illicit arms programs was stripped of dissenting opinions, warnings of insufficient information and doubts about deposed dictator Saddam Hussein's intentions, a review of the document and its once-classified version shows.

As a result, the public was given a far more definitive assessment of Iraq's plans and capabilities than President Bush and other U.S. decision-makers received from their intelligence agencies.

The stark differences between the public version and the then top-secret version of the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate raise new questions about the accuracy of the public case made for a war that's claimed the lives of more than 500 U.S. service members and thousands of Iraqis....
Informed Opinion

Lehigh Acres, FL

#102 Feb 19, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>Tell us,
Would this be an example of the middle ground you seek,
or this is just too polarizing for your tastes.

Published on Tuesday, February 10, 2004 by Knight-Ridder
Doubts, Dissent Stripped from Public Version of Iraq Assessment
by Jonathan S. Landay
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0210-...

WASHINGTON - The public version of the U.S. intelligence community's key prewar assessment of Iraq's illicit arms programs was stripped of dissenting opinions, warnings of insufficient information and doubts about deposed dictator Saddam Hussein's intentions, a review of the document and its once-classified version shows.

As a result, the public was given a far more definitive assessment of Iraq's plans and capabilities than President Bush and other U.S. decision-makers received from their intelligence agencies.

The stark differences between the public version and the then top-secret version of the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate raise new questions about the accuracy of the public case made for a war that's claimed the lives of more than 500 U.S. service members and thousands of Iraqis....
Now, now, Right Wing extremists have their views and normal people have their views.

They're beliefs:
- That the world is only 6,000 years old;
- That Obama is a secret Kenyan plant who is only pretending to govern like Bush, and in fact is a Leeeeeeeeberal, Progressive, Socialist, or dammit one of them thar Homo Sapiens;
- That the government is hiding the missing glaciers in Glacier National Park to fool us about Global Warning; -- That terrorists are hiding under your bed just waiting to massacre your family unless we tear up that damn Constitution thing; and
- Facts and knowledge are BAD, they interfere with accepting, by faith, the Right Wing doctrines;
-That you must wear magic underwear to be a God when you die,
is just as valid as your believe the world is billions of years old and magic underwear just isn't all that important.

Why can't you just acknowledge that on Right Wing Planet this is the "New Normal", and just as valid the values and knowledge used on Planet Earth.

Jeeeez - your sooooooo unreasonable.

“Whine-It's all Bush's Fault”

Since: Feb 13

Blairsville

#103 Feb 20, 2013
Yep, let’s get back to the business at hand. Here's an excellent article reinforcing, and much better said than my comments earlier on the Minimum Wage.
**********

http://godfatherpolitics.com/9454/the-minimum...

The Minimum Wage is Bad for Employers, Workers, and the Economy - Godfather Politics
godfatherpolitics.com

The minimum wage is about freedom. Think about it. The government is forcing employers to pay people a certain amount of money. It’s no wonder that a majority of voters have no problem with the government taking ever higher amounts of money from workers in the form of taxes.When the minimum wage goes up, union wages and benefits also go up. That’s why unions are always behind an increase in the minimum wage. Union workers do not make minimum wage. Unions can hold companies hostage to force up wages. They’re the fourth branch of government. When the minimum wage goes up, the wages of union employees have to go up as well, so they want new contracts to reflect a “proper” wage distance from the meager minimum wage earner.

Higher wages also mean higher prices. Not only will employers have to pay $9 per hour if Obama gets his way on an increase for the minimum wage, but Social Security and Medicare costs also go up for the employer on the increase.

Employers who hire minimum wage workers are usually working on small profit margins. If they get hit with something like a 25 percent increase in the minimum wage, it’s possible that to make up for the additional labor cost, an employer may have to lay off a fourth of his work force and distribute the work to the remaining employees. Unlike our government, businesses can’t print money.

Inexperienced young people are the first to suffer when the minimum wage goes up.

It used to be that when two people competed for the same job, a person who could undercut the amount an employer was willing to pay often would get the job.

An employer could take a risk on someone who lacked experience because he didn’t have to pay him what an experienced worker might demand. Many of the jobs available to teens were low skilled anyway.

By making it illegal to pay someone less than a government-mandated minimum wage, those with less experience are at a disadvantage. Employing teenagers is now a classic Catch-22 dilemma.

To read more click:

http://godfatherpolitics.com/9454/the-minimum...
Oh my

Young Harris, GA

#104 Feb 20, 2013
An Increased Minimum Wage Is Good Policy Even During Hard Times
Recent Studies Point to Higher Pay but No Job Losses
By T. William Lester, David Madland, and Nick Bunker | June 7, 2011
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/...

...We reviewed academic research that examines the effects of minimum wage increases during a recession or stretch of time with high unemployment and found significant evidence that even during hard economic times, raising the minimum wage is likely to have no adverse effect on employment.

Two key articles released in the past year provide definitive evidence on the overall effects of the minimum wage on wages and employment. Additionally, they provide compelling evidence about the impact of raising the minimum wage during hard economic times.

The first study, published in November 2010 in the Review of Economics and Statistics by Arindrajit Dube of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst; T. William Lester of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill; and Michael Reich of the University of California, Berkeley, compared all of the adjacent counties that touch a state border where there is a difference in the mandated minimum wage in each state. Overall, the authors found that minimum wage increases raise wages for low-wage workers but do not reduce employment.

...The second recent study, published in April in Industrial Relations by Sylvia A. Allegretto of the University of California, Berkeley; Arindrajit Dube; and Michael Reich, focused on state-level data. The authors replicated the models of researchers whose studies of teen employment found that increases in the minimum wage create job losses and are often cited by minimum wage opponents.(Teen employment is often viewed by minimum wage scholars as an indicator of the impact on the lowest-skilled workers.)

Again, however, when the authors added appropriate variables to control for regional differences—variables that previous researchers had omitted—they found that minimum wage increases do not reduce teen employment levels.

...In short, the academic research suggests that even during hard economic times, raising the minimum wage doesn’t reduce employment.

Why is this the case? Studies generally find that policies that increase the compensation of low-wage workers significantly reduce turnover, boost worker effort, encourage employers to invest in training for their workers, and can increase demand for goods and services—all of which help balance out any potential negative effects.

“Whine-It's all Bush's Fault”

Since: Feb 13

Blairsville

#105 Feb 21, 2013
Yep, just to be clear as to where Oh My gets her “facts.”

Check out just who the Center for American Progress really is. Not exactly a neutral and reasonable bystander.

So, naturally a common sense view would be more palatable than the far left liberal progressive, socialist propaganda.
**********
Center for American Progress, group tied to Obama

The Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank closely aligned with the White House

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-01-19...
Bored

Texarkana, TX

#106 Feb 21, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
Now, now, Right Wing extremists have their views and normal people have their views.
They're beliefs:
- That the world is only 6,000 years old;
- That Obama is a secret Kenyan plant who is only pretending to govern like Bush, and in fact is a Leeeeeeeeberal, Progressive, Socialist, or dammit one of them thar Homo Sapiens;
- That the government is hiding the missing glaciers in Glacier National Park to fool us about Global Warning; -- That terrorists are hiding under your bed just waiting to massacre your family unless we tear up that damn Constitution thing; and
- Facts and knowledge are BAD, they interfere with accepting, by faith, the Right Wing doctrines;
-That you must wear magic underwear to be a God when you die,
is just as valid as your believe the world is billions of years old and magic underwear just isn't all that important.
Why can't you just acknowledge that on Right Wing Planet this is the "New Normal", and just as valid the values and knowledge used on Planet Earth.
Jeeeez - your sooooooo unreasonable.
Boring.
Bored

Texarkana, TX

#107 Feb 21, 2013
Oh my wrote:
An Increased Minimum Wage Is Good Policy Even During Hard Times
Recent Studies Point to Higher Pay but No Job Losses
By T. William Lester, David Madland, and Nick Bunker | June 7, 2011
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/...
...We reviewed academic research that examines the effects of minimum wage increases during a recession or stretch of time with high unemployment and found significant evidence that even during hard economic times, raising the minimum wage is likely to have no adverse effect on employment.
Two key articles released in the past year provide definitive evidence on the overall effects of the minimum wage on wages and employment. Additionally, they provide compelling evidence about the impact of raising the minimum wage during hard economic times.
The first study, published in November 2010 in the Review of Economics and Statistics by Arindrajit Dube of the University of Massachusetts, Amherst; T. William Lester of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill; and Michael Reich of the University of California, Berkeley, compared all of the adjacent counties that touch a state border where there is a difference in the mandated minimum wage in each state. Overall, the authors found that minimum wage increases raise wages for low-wage workers but do not reduce employment.
...The second recent study, published in April in Industrial Relations by Sylvia A. Allegretto of the University of California, Berkeley; Arindrajit Dube; and Michael Reich, focused on state-level data. The authors replicated the models of researchers whose studies of teen employment found that increases in the minimum wage create job losses and are often cited by minimum wage opponents.(Teen employment is often viewed by minimum wage scholars as an indicator of the impact on the lowest-skilled workers.)
Again, however, when the authors added appropriate variables to control for regional differences—variables that previous researchers had omitted—they found that minimum wage increases do not reduce teen employment levels.
...In short, the academic research suggests that even during hard economic times, raising the minimum wage doesn’t reduce employment.
Why is this the case? Studies generally find that policies that increase the compensation of low-wage workers significantly reduce turnover, boost worker effort, encourage employers to invest in training for their workers, and can increase demand for goods and services—all of which help balance out any potential negative effects.
Also Boring.
Chaos

Cleveland, GA

#108 Feb 21, 2013
Yep- wrote:
Yep, just to be clear as to where Oh My gets her “facts.”
Check out just who the Center for American Progress really is. Not exactly a neutral and reasonable bystander.
So, naturally a common sense view would be more palatable than the far left liberal progressive, socialist propaganda.
**********
Center for American Progress, group tied to Obama
The Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank closely aligned with the White House
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-01-19...
At least she backs her facts up which is more than you do oh, oz, great and wonderful.
Chaos

Cleveland, GA

#109 Feb 21, 2013
Yep- wrote:
Yep, let’s get back to the business at hand. Here's an excellent article reinforcing, and much better said than my comments earlier on the Minimum Wage.
**********
http://godfatherpolitics.com/9454/the-minimum...
The Minimum Wage is Bad for Employers, Workers, and the Economy - Godfather Politics
godfatherpolitics.com
The minimum wage is about freedom. Think about it. The government is forcing employers to pay people a certain amount of money. It’s no wonder that a majority of voters have no problem with the government taking ever higher amounts of money from workers in the form of taxes.When the minimum wage goes up, union wages and benefits also go up. That’s why unions are always behind an increase in the minimum wage. Union workers do not make minimum wage. Unions can hold companies hostage to force up wages. They’re the fourth branch of government. When the minimum wage goes up, the wages of union employees have to go up as well, so they want new contracts to reflect a “proper” wage distance from the meager minimum wage earner.
Higher wages also mean higher prices. Not only will employers have to pay $9 per hour if Obama gets his way on an increase for the minimum wage, but Social Security and Medicare costs also go up for the employer on the increase.
Employers who hire minimum wage workers are usually working on small profit margins. If they get hit with something like a 25 percent increase in the minimum wage, it’s possible that to make up for the additional labor cost, an employer may have to lay off a fourth of his work force and distribute the work to the remaining employees. Unlike our government, businesses can’t print money.
Inexperienced young people are the first to suffer when the minimum wage goes up.
It used to be that when two people competed for the same job, a person who could undercut the amount an employer was willing to pay often would get the job.
An employer could take a risk on someone who lacked experience because he didn’t have to pay him what an experienced worker might demand. Many of the jobs available to teens were low skilled anyway.
By making it illegal to pay someone less than a government-mandated minimum wage, those with less experience are at a disadvantage. Employing teenagers is now a classic Catch-22 dilemma.
To read more click:
http://godfatherpolitics.com/9454/the-minimum...
Godfatherpolitics? Now there's a credible source.
Fools on board

Blairsville, GA

#110 Feb 21, 2013
Chaos wrote:
<quoted text>Godfatherpolitics? Now there's a credible source.
Are you my long lost brother? I don't think I have a brother...
Not I

Texarkana, TX

#111 Feb 21, 2013
Fools on board wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you my long lost brother? I don't think I have a brother...

No, one of you work for the other.
Oh my

Young Harris, GA

#112 Feb 21, 2013
Yep- wrote:
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/blairsville-g...
Yep, just to be clear as to where Oh My gets her “facts.”
Check out just who the Center for American Progress really is. Not exactly a neutral and reasonable bystander.
So, naturally a common sense view would be more palatable than the far left liberal progressive, socialist propaganda.
**********
Center for American Progress, group tied to Obama
The Center for American Progress, a liberal think tank closely aligned with the White House
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2012-01-19...
This is a gender neutral medium,
how did you determine gender?

Reviewing actual research
so unpalatable,
fast food opinions
ready when you are.
Bon Appetit.
Ka Boom

Blairsville, GA

#113 Feb 21, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a gender neutral medium,
how did you determine gender?
Reviewing actual research
so unpalatable,
fast food opinions
ready when you are.
Bon Appetit.
Because no one would be such a pain in the a#s with the type of comments you make other than a woman.

Oh my.. well you could be a man masquerading as a woman, it does seem many of your posts seem to highlight that liberal gay agenda.'Course, you could be a woman with a butch haircut trying to act like a man. Same difference. Either way, you're right: you are "gender neutral."

“Whine-It's all Bush's Fault”

Since: Feb 13

Blairsville

#114 Feb 21, 2013
Oh my wrote:
<quoted text>
This is a gender neutral medium,
how did you determine gender?
Reviewing actual research
so unpalatable,
fast food opinions
ready when you are.
Bon Appetit.
Yep, should pass entirely on this one. You know nothing is really gender neutral. So I’ll just say it is obvious, plus a little insight helps, and leave it at that.

Don’t really want to waste time debating that male chauvinism thing. Nevertheless I do find the post from Ka Boom to be quiet funny even though off topic and incendiary.
Oh my

Blairsville, GA

#115 Feb 22, 2013
Too funny,
insight and concealed knowledge
how mysterious, threatening,
and so predictable.

Such a low threshold for evidence,
exceeding expectations for y'all
ain't in the cards
anytime soon.
Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#116 Feb 22, 2013
Ka Boom wrote:
<quoted text>Because no one would be such a pain in the a#s with the type of comments you make other than a woman.

Oh my.. well you could be a man masquerading as a woman, it does seem many of your posts seem to highlight that liberal gay agenda.'Course, you could be a woman with a butch haircut trying to act like a man. Same difference. Either way, you're right: you are "gender neutral."
You do understand you just proved her point ?

We, forgive me, maybe you don't understand that after all.
lmao

Blairsville, GA

#117 Feb 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
You do understand you just proved her point ?
We, forgive me, maybe you don't understand that after all.
Typical Floridiot!
Ka Boom

Blairsville, GA

#118 Feb 22, 2013
Informed Opinion wrote:
<quoted text>
You do understand you just proved her point ?
We, forgive me, maybe you don't understand that after all.
Interesting that you refer to "her" as "her"... thought this gender neutral medium? I think maybe you don't understand.
Informed Opinion

Sunapee, NH

#119 Feb 22, 2013
Oh my wrote:
Too funny,
insight and concealed knowledge
how mysterious, threatening,
and so predictable.

Such a low threshold for evidence,
exceeding expectations for y'all
ain't in the cards
anytime soon.
You is way "over the top", you Leeeeeeeeeeberals are always making those wild attacks against us good thinkin 'Mericans, who are gonna take OUR country back from the socialist commie Kenyan negro who stole power by getting 'Lected, which we all know is true, and only happened cause those fancy pants edumacated, unemployed, leeches want to get more money from than I already do.

As soon as we:
get the government is every hospital - making sure we tell them ignorant womans what we want to do with their bodies;

We'll be free from that Guvment intruding in our lives;

keep this socialist negro president from doing anything he was 'Lected to do;
and
get that Supreme Court to show that we the people is in charge by throwing out them laws passed by those we elected to pass 'em.

We'll have democracy by God (I mean my God - not your God)

And unless I get to buy 236 AK-47s at a gun show without any stupid 3 day "waitin period" - them North Korean troops is gonna waving their bright green flag with purple flowers from the top of Brasstown Bald.

And it'll be you and your leeeeeeeeeeberal socialist buddies faults.

Wow - it's been amazing to watch how the extremist, when confronted with reality, instead of questioning the obvious gaps in their "logic" - just go even further over the edge.

Once I had a paranoid schizophrenic explain to me that he wasn't crazy to think the CIA and the KGB both were bugging his bathroom,
but that I was crazy not to see how obvious it was that they were doing it.

I know he must be posting on Blairsville TOPIX.

“Whine-It's all Bush's Fault”

Since: Feb 13

Blairsville

#120 Feb 22, 2013
Oh my wrote:
Too funny,
insight and concealed knowledge
how mysterious, threatening,
and so predictable.
Such a low threshold for evidence,
exceeding expectations for y'all
ain't in the cards
anytime soon.
Yep, pleased to amuse you. Evidence, insight, and knowledge are common tools in the battle of good vs evil.

A view of predictability and low expectation for any rival is in and of itself a weakness, and serious mistake.

Now, certainly there is no need to be threatened by those whose motives are well-meaning in nature, however, should ones motives be sinister, the threat of exposure must be crushing.

Nevertheless, you should never under estimate your challenger.

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