A Church for the Unchurched
guest

United States

#122 Mar 1, 2013
Gail wrote:
<quoted text>
You are wrong . I went to church when I was a child
because my mom made me go . I did"nt listen to what was said .A few weeks ago I throught I would start reading the bible .When I come across the part where Eve was punished for eating fruit and Adam did"nt get punished even though he ate the fruit I could"nt understand why God would make such a difference .This is when I decited to look up the parts of the bible about women . I could not beleive what it said about the way women was to be treated .
I always throught God loved everyone . I tried to understand why the bible would say such mean things . The only thing I could think of was man wrote the bible over and over and they could change it to anything they wanted to . I knowed if God loved everyone there was no way he could ever allow this to happen .
I always throught the bible was Gods teachings . This did"nt sound like the God I had heard about . This is why I commented on the bible the way I did .The bible did say everything I commented on .
I was not trying to make a mockery of the bible .
"When I come across the part where Eve was punished for eating fruit and Adam did"nt get punished even though he ate the fruit I could"nt understand why God would make such a difference."

There's the rub right there. You see God didn't make a difference. Men did. But think about it. Way back then there was a different kind of survival thing going on. Men, who were physically stronger than women, with all of the power that that represents, were the ones who decided what was what. That's just the way it was. So they eventually were the ones who set down the rules as to how folks were to interact with one another in a,'relatively', coherent society. And later still they were the ones who got to write it all down. Fast forward …………………….we are not cave dwellers anymore. We are not hunter gatherers anymore. One day we, hopefully, will have reached the point where gender is a non issue in most aspects of our existence. I think that we still have a ways to go.
whew

Pigeon Forge, TN

#123 Mar 2, 2013
guest in post #122 said:
"One day we, hopefully, will have reached the point where gender is a non issue in most aspects of our existence. I think that we still have a ways to go."

I certainly HOPE we have a ways to go.
The only place non gender should apply
is on a pay scale for both genders
doing the same work.
Albert

Summerville, GA

#124 Mar 2, 2013
guest wrote:
<quoted text>
"When I come across the part where Eve was punished for eating fruit and Adam did"nt get punished even though he ate the fruit I could"nt understand why God would make such a difference."
There's the rub right there. You see God didn't make a difference. Men did. But think about it. Way back then there was a different kind of survival thing going on. Men, who were physically stronger than women, with all of the power that that represents, were the ones who decided what was what. That's just the way it was. So they eventually were the ones who set down the rules as to how folks were to interact with one another in a,'relatively', coherent society. And later still they were the ones who got to write it all down. Fast forward …………………….we are not cave dwellers anymore. We are not hunter gatherers anymore. One day we, hopefully, will have reached the point where gender is a non issue in most aspects of our existence. I think that we still have a ways to go.
Well said I think ,but it takes us right back to where we started,God did not write a book called the bible man did,and it had to be a gready horney and selfish old man that wrote it and he though the only place a woman should be is in the bedroom or kitchen.The "GOD" if you will,that I believe says every one is equal and should be treated that way,second though is that it might not be a God telling us that,just common sence.Anyway have a very good day.
scholar

Summerville, GA

#125 Mar 2, 2013
Gail wrote:
<quoted text>You are wrong . I went to church when I was a child
because my mom made me go . I did"nt listen to what was said .A few weeks ago I throught I would start reading the bible .When I come across the part where Eve was punished for eating fruit and Adam did"nt get punished even though he ate the fruit I could"nt understand why God would make such a difference .This is when I decited to look up the parts of the bible about women . I could not beleive what it said about the way women was to be treated .
I always throught God loved everyone . I tried to understand why the bible would say such mean things . The only thing I could think of was man wrote the bible over and over and they could change it to anything they wanted to . I knowed if God loved everyone there was no way he could ever allow this to happen .
I always throught the bible was Gods teachings . This did"nt sound like the God I had heard about . This is why I commented on the bible the way I did .The bible did say everything I commented on .
I was not trying to make a mockery of the bible .
But you didn't understand it all. Adam did get punished. God said if you eat of this tree you will surely die. Adam and Eve were punished with death. Eve was punished with child birth because she enticed Adam to eat the fruit. Both were punished with having to die someday.
guest

United States

#126 Mar 2, 2013
"Eve was punished with child birth"
That certainly speaks volumes. I guess that was as opposed to God himself molding people out of clay and bestowing life unto an inanimate object…..
Gail

Jasper, GA

#127 Mar 2, 2013
scholar wrote:
<quoted text>
But you didn't understand it all. Adam did get punished. God said if you eat of this tree you will surely die. Adam and Eve were punished with death. Eve was punished with child birth because she enticed Adam to eat the fruit. Both were punished with having to die someday.
I want to understand the bible . The problem I am having is , everytime I read something in the bible it changes what it said later on . Like Eve got blamed for eating the fruit and she got blamed for Adam eating the fruit . Women was punished from that day and forever as far as the pain of giving birth .God did"nt tell the women after Eve not to eat the fruit, so why punish all the women for what Eve did . If Adam beleived what God told him why did he eat the fruit ? Eve could not have made Adam eat the fruit . Adam ate it because Adam wanted to eat it . If death was both Adam"s and Eve"s punishment then why did the woman"s punishment have to be so much greater than man"s ?

Adam and Eve was the first and only people on this earth .Eve gave birth to children right ? Then the children was brothers and sisters . They had to lay together to have more children .Now when you read the bible it said, It is a sin for brother and sister to lay together . So where did all the people come from ?
guest

United States

#128 Mar 2, 2013
whew wrote:
guest in post #122 said:
"One day we, hopefully, will have reached the point where gender is a non issue in most aspects of our existence. I think that we still have a ways to go."
I certainly HOPE we have a ways to go.
The only place non gender should apply
is on a pay scale for both genders
doing the same work.
Looked at from a global perspective I think you'll find equal pay to be just one of many issues and maybe not even the most pressing. There are also social and cultural issues that exist that don't necessarily have to do with actual laws. Passing a law doesn't automatically and immediately erase the underlying and subtle social practices in a society.
scholar

Summerville, GA

#129 Mar 2, 2013
Gail wrote:
<quoted text>
I want to understand the bible . The problem I am having is , everytime I read something in the bible it changes what it said later on . Like Eve got blamed for eating the fruit and she got blamed for Adam eating the fruit . Women was punished from that day and forever as far as the pain of giving birth .God did"nt tell the women after Eve not to eat the fruit, so why punish all the women for what Eve did . If Adam beleived what God told him why did he eat the fruit ? Eve could not have made Adam eat the fruit . Adam ate it because Adam wanted to eat it . If death was both Adam"s and Eve"s punishment then why did the woman"s punishment have to be so much greater than man"s ?
Adam and Eve was the first and only people on this earth .Eve gave birth to children right ? Then the children was brothers and sisters . They had to lay together to have more children .Now when you read the bible it said, It is a sin for brother and sister to lay together . So where did all the people come from ?
After Adam and Eve ate the apple they were banished from the Garden. They were told to go and multiply and since they were made by God they were perfect. They had many children who were still perfect. Yes brother did lay with sister for many years and then cousins to multiply the population on earth. Then in Leviticus did instruct man to no longer lay with close relatives because genetics had been so degraded. Remember God said to only eat of the trees and plants to start with because the meat was unclean. Later in the bible God said it was alright to eat meat.
Gail I really suggest you go to a church to get your answers so you will not a bunch of different opinions from these posts. You will get the info from only the pastor. If you are not satified with his message you can always attend a different church to compare the information.
Albert

Norman Park, GA

#130 Mar 2, 2013
Gail wrote:
<quoted text>
I want to understand the bible . The problem I am having is , everytime I read something in the bible it changes what it said later on . Like Eve got blamed for eating the fruit and she got blamed for Adam eating the fruit . Women was punished from that day and forever as far as the pain of giving birth .God did"nt tell the women after Eve not to eat the fruit, so why punish all the women for what Eve did . If Adam beleived what God told him why did he eat the fruit ? Eve could not have made Adam eat the fruit . Adam ate it because Adam wanted to eat it . If death was both Adam"s and Eve"s punishment then why did the woman"s punishment have to be so much greater than man"s ?
Adam and Eve was the first and only people on this earth .Eve gave birth to children right ? Then the children was brothers and sisters . They had to lay together to have more children .Now when you read the bible it said, It is a sin for brother and sister to lay together . So where did all the people come from ?
Keep up the good work,your beginning to see why anyone that thinks for themselves are turning into Atheist.The bible is a horney old mans book written by a horney old man to satisfy his needs and no one elses.They have even changed what they preached about why the black people were black in just the last few years.As someone said the other day it is a living document,it changes with time as do horney old men.God did not write or have anything to do with writing the bible.It is the work of man and only man and you already know for a fact how that goes.
scholar

Summerville, GA

#131 Mar 2, 2013
Albert wrote:
<quoted text>Keep up the good work,your beginning to see why anyone that thinks for themselves are turning into Atheist.The bible is a horney old mans book written by a horney old man to satisfy his needs and no one elses.They have even changed what they preached about why the black people were black in just the last few years.As someone said the other day it is a living document,it changes with time as do horney old men.God did not write or have anything to do with writing the bible.It is the work of man and only man and you already know for a fact how that goes.
Albert you are looney. You must be an atheist
Albert

Norman Park, GA

#132 Mar 2, 2013
Scholar are you afraid to die,I'd bet you are,why else would you try to turn BS into the truth?Don't lie to the young girl just tell her the truth, you don't know shi* about what happens at death and if you deny that you are lying.Thats the hard truth now isn't it.May your God ease your pain.
Albert

Ball Ground, GA

#133 Mar 2, 2013
scholar wrote:
<quoted text>
Albert you are looney. You must be an atheist
What do you think a Atheist is"scholar"?
corpoate

Summerville, GA

#134 Mar 2, 2013
Albert wrote:
<quoted text>What do you think a Atheist is"scholar"?
One who rejects the belief in the existence of deities. You.
scholar

Summerville, GA

#135 Mar 2, 2013
corpoate wrote:
<quoted text>One who rejects the belief in the existence of deities. You.
Exactly.
scholar

Summerville, GA

#136 Mar 2, 2013
Albert wrote:
Scholar are you afraid to die,I'd bet you are,why else would you try to turn BS into the truth?Don't lie to the young girl just tell her the truth, you don't know shi* about what happens at death and if you deny that you are lying.Thats the hard truth now isn't it.May your God ease your pain.
So tell me Albert what is your theory of how the earth and man got their start
Albert

Ball Ground, GA

#137 Mar 3, 2013
scholar wrote:
<quoted text>
So tell me Albert what is your theory of how the earth and man got their start
You are only a little bit of bacteria and not very good one at that because you only answer question's that you are not afraid of,you never did answer the question as to why the churches changed the way they preached on ,why the black man is black ,in the last forty years ,it hasn't really been that long ago .This in my opinion is proof that the bible is a living document a nothing more,just something of people like you to try to live by and this is just one of them, there are as Gail said many more .In less than twenty years from now as I have said before they will be preaching that homosexuality is what God really intended for you to do,that the bible has jusy been misquoted.Preachers will preach anything that they think you want to hear in order to fill their pockets with your money,take the money out of preaching and there will be no preachers left.You can believe in a fairy tale if it makes you feel better or not afraid to die so much if you want,but why try or want other people to believe your way ,or you lonesome or just afraid. Evolution is a fact not fiction,learn to live with it ,death should not be feared ,which is your people's real problem ,now isn't it.If I have a choice and I do,to choose between Evolution and a book wrote by a bacteria called man ,then I will choose Evolution everytime.Evolution or the bible ,even a flawed bacteria should know for a fact one is wrong,you go your way and I will gladly go mine,at least I do not need a crutch to die,time will take care of your problem .Be better to your fellow man or woman because this is all that there is.Good Luck with the way you choose ,it's your choice.
myohmy

Pigeon Forge, TN

#138 Mar 3, 2013
'Albert',if that is how you really believe then why say
"be better to your fellow man or woman"?
If there are no rewards or punishments for how we live on earth what difference does it make how you treat anyone?
Or for that matter what difference does a choice regarding anything make?
If you believe in evolution why say homosexuality
(or anything else) is wrong?
If there is no God what makes it wrong?
If there is no God what makes anything wrong except
MANS' LAW????
Know God,Know peace.
No God,No peace.
I am a believer.
Albert

Byron, GA

#139 Mar 3, 2013
myohmy wrote:
'Albert',if that is how you really believe then why say
"be better to your fellow man or woman"?
If there are no rewards or punishments for how we live on earth what difference does it make how you treat anyone?
Or for that matter what difference does a choice regarding anything make?
If you believe in evolution why say homosexuality
(or anything else) is wrong?
If there is no God what makes it wrong?
If there is no God what makes anything wrong except
MANS' LAW????
Know God,Know peace.
No God,No peace.
I am a believer.
Your absoluty 100% right in what you say,now you know why "man" wrote the bible ,not God,NO God had nothing to do with.Evolution is real ,a man wrote book is fiction unless you know for a fact otherwise and admit it you don't.Don't feel bad because though because not one living soul now are ever knows anymore than you do.Every man woman or child with a IQ above 100 knows evolution is real ,ask any scientist in the world and they will tell you evolution is real and no I'am not saying at one time you was a monkey,but maybe a very close relative.So the next time you look in the mirror be glad you are a few hundred thousand years down the road from where you started.So be good to one another because it will be your last chance and your grand children have to pass through here also.Who really knows for a fact ,you may also have to pass through here again also.
Gail

Jasper, GA

#140 Mar 3, 2013
Albert wrote:
<quoted text>Keep up the good work,your beginning to see why anyone that thinks for themselves are turning into Atheist.The bible is a horney old mans book written by a horney old man to satisfy his needs and no one elses.They have even changed what they preached about why the black people were black in just the last few years.As someone said the other day it is a living document,it changes with time as do horney old men.God did not write or have anything to do with writing the bible.It is the work of man and only man and you already know for a fact how that goes.
Albert , I do not wish to become an atheist . I beleive in God .I just don"t beleive God would have a woman to be mistreated the way the bible says . I beleive man wrote the bible and changed it every time it was rewrote to suit the men that wrote it .What would be the point in rewritten it if not for changing what it said ? How could a God that claim"s to love everyone turn around and teach men to mistreat women and children . I just do not beleive it . This had to be someone that liked to mistreat women and children if the child was a female . I have read about the man King James that wrote the King James Bible .I will not tell you what I read about him because I don"t know if it is the truth or not . I hope it is not the truth .There is so many things I don"t understand .I wish I knowed the truth and I am trying to understand , but there is one thing I am sure of .I am not an atheist, nor would I won"t to be one .
scholar

Summerville, GA

#141 Mar 3, 2013
Albert wrote:
<quoted text>You are only a little bit of bacteria and not very good one at that because you only answer question's that you are not afraid of,you never did answer the question as to why the churches changed the way they preached on ,why the black man is black ,in the last forty years ,it hasn't really been that long ago .This in my opinion is proof that the bible is a living document a nothing more,just something of people like you to try to live by and this is just one of them, there are as Gail said many more .In less than twenty years from now as I have said before they will be preaching that homosexuality is what God really intended for you to do,that the bible has jusy been misquoted.Preachers will preach anything that they think you want to hear in order to fill their pockets with your money,take the money out of preaching and there will be no preachers left.You can believe in a fairy tale if it makes you feel better or not afraid to die so much if you want,but why try or want other people to believe your way ,or you lonesome or just afraid. Evolution is a fact not fiction,learn to live with it ,death should not be feared ,which is your people's real problem ,now isn't it.If I have a choice and I do,to choose between Evolution and a book wrote by a bacteria called man ,then I will choose Evolution everytime.Evolution or the bible ,even a flawed bacteria should know for a fact one is wrong,you go your way and I will gladly go mine,at least I do not need a crutch to die,time will take care of your problem .Be better to your fellow man or woman because this is all that there is.Good Luck with the way you choose ,it's your choice.
There is no mention of man being black in the bible. In Song of Solomon 1:5 it says "I am very dark, but lovely, O daughters of Jerusalem, like the tents of Kedar, like the curtains of Solomon."
But why would someone believe in the "theory of evolution" when no evidence has ever been shown that man evolved from bacteria or a monkey. If you have some proof then show it and you will be famous.

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