Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,187

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Melanie

Idyllwild, CA

#217805 Sep 22, 2013
Bahahahahahahahahahaahhahaha!! !!
This is better than stand up!!!! Are you
sure you are not actors???

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217806 Sep 22, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Several of us have wondered why it is that Kimare is SO vehemently opposed to homosexuality. And I think we've come up with a couple of possibilities.
1.) He just plain hates homosexuals. And specifically, he doesn't like homosexual men. His arguments rarely have anything to do with lesbians.
Now, he claims to not hate homosexuals. But he doesn't support homosexuality in any way. He doesn't want us to marry. He doesn't want us to have children. He refers to us as unnatural and sexually disordered. He believes that we should be "cured" into oblivion.
I'm not trying to make him look bad. These are beliefs and values that he has clearly stated in the years that I have watched him on TOPIX.
2. The second possibility is that he is one of those pitiable, closeted, self-loathing gay or bisexual creatures who believe they can throw everyone off their scent by being really, really outspoken against the LGBT community.
There are studies that have been completed that shows this to be the case. One such study measured a group of men's level of "homophobia". Those men who scored highest were then attached to a device that measures penile circumference and shown a series of pornographic movies and pictures.
Most of these men "responded" to homosexual erotica.
Freud called it "reaction formation". A person formulates a reaction in order to hide what they consider to be anxiety producing or unacceptable feelings.
I'm of the opinion that Kimare may fall into this category.
Some people say that I'm insulting Kimare by suggesting that he is closeted. But how can it be insulting for a gay man to suggest that another man is gay?
I believe he has frequented this forum (and many more) in an effort to quench his desire to at least be in the vicinity of other gay people. As I've described it to him, we are essentially a "virtual gay bar".
I think if he truly disliked gay people to the extent that he wishes we believed, he would have come here three years ago, made his comments, and then left. And that's what many people who hold anti-homosexual sentiment have done over the years. They're here for a month or two, then they move on.
But he's a fixture here. He's kind of like Norm from "Cheers".
We obviously meet some need of his that goes unfulfilled in his day-to-day life.
I have heard of the second point before. We used to joke about my friend being in this category, because he was so antigay. I mean, when I was trying to figure out kimare's reasons, it seemed to go around in circles with his failed mating mantra. Good point. Will revert back with my analysis shortly.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#217807 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
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I feel you, Dan. I was the same way. I hated the idea of gays getting married. Then my sister, who is a lawyer adept at convincing people, and I had an argument about gay marriage. After it was over, it started sinking in and I started changing my view. How does it affect me if they get married? It doesn't. They are no less human than anybody else here and they deserve equal respect. My work is somewhat fashionable, so I work with a lot of gays now. They are funny dudes. I respect them as much as I do anybody else. Maybe a little more, because they are so friendly and nice. Better to talk to than the stuck-up women at my work. I guess my dislike came from not understanding them. I have nothing against them now.
By that reasoning how would plural marriage affect you or me? Or a marriage of siblings? If the only deciding factor is "it doesn't affect me", then any number of consenting adult relationships could be designated "marriage". What then is the point of recognizing it at all then, if marriage means anything and everything?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#217808 Sep 22, 2013
Melanie wrote:
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OMG if this was radio.....People would be peeing their pants from laughing!!!


I'll be here all week....please be kind to your waitress.

“"The 14th Amendment Works"”

Since: Jul 13

Livermore California

#217809 Sep 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Heck - you remember don't you.
When I went as "Denver Dan" only to piss off over half the gay community in TOPIX.
The late 'Golem' and me would go rounds and I would call him the 'Gay Genie' given his bald cross armed Mr. Clean stature in his pic.
LOL!!!
I was worse than KiKrazy trust me. Most of mine though fell into smartass comments against the gay community.
I cannot remember the one who kept up with me but who was so polite as to make me actually think but between him and giving it all some thought is when I realized gays should be allowed to be married nationwide and this stupid conflict should settle down like a long past dust storm into same sex marriage as a non-issue.
And my journey was much like yours Dan,it just took place a few years before you,especially after meeting and getting to know gay folk through the course of my job! There are good and bad with every human being but the majority of us heteros like the majority of gays are good decent people!Carry on!
Melanie

Idyllwild, CA

#217810 Sep 22, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>I'll be here all week....please be kind to your waitress.
:) you got It!!!

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217813 Sep 22, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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By that reasoning how would plural marriage affect you or me? Or a marriage of siblings? If the only deciding factor is "it doesn't affect me", then any number of consenting adult relationships could be designated "marriage". What then is the point of recognizing it at all then, if marriage means anything and everything?
You're putting words into my mouth. It does not affect me, therefore, I am not partaking in ridiculous debates against it. Live and let live.

Honestly, if siblings want to marry, so be it. It happens anyways. It is illegal, however, because of the clear health problems that can be passed down to the child through incestuous intercourse. There are no such threats in gay marriage.

I feel you are arguing from this conservative, "the sacred definition of marriage" bullshit that is getting old. Times change--get over it.
Melanie

Idyllwild, CA

#217814 Sep 22, 2013
Frankie.........Where are you???
I miss your hokey self serving stories.
R-1 for President

Topeka, KS

#217815 Sep 22, 2013
I don't always talk to Obama voters , but when I do I ask for large fries
Melanie

Idyllwild, CA

#217816 Sep 22, 2013
R-1 for President wrote:
I don't always talk to Obama voters , but when I do I ask for large fries
Who else ya gonna get? Donald Trump?
The Pickens are slim.I heard Obama had
a mental breakdown....He was upset that that he was "Putin Down"!!

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217817 Sep 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Right on.
I had some ugly things I partook in my past. Purposely searched out gay bars to beat up gays in my early 20's back in 1982 -'84. Howled at Sam Kineson's gay jokes. Etc. Looking back all I see is a waste of time and I did get a chance to hear that same joke track 2 years ago only to think the jokes on homosexuals fell flat.
I don't interact with gays albeit I know a few. Nowadays I really don't discern the difference or care to. I give a shit less is John is holding Ted's hand at Sunday morning's farmers market and the like.
I wish you could convey to these gay bashers and those seriously opposed to gays marrying what a complete waste of time and effort it is. Crap....saving the endangered Mongolian earthworm holds more value than getting all twisted about someone elses personal life because they happen to be gay.
I agree. What they do in the bedroom is their business. Wouldn't it make the active haters gay for being so interested in gay peoples affairs? Gayception?

I was born in 88, so by the time I was in high school, gays were somewhat accepted. At least in southern california where I grew up. I mean, we used to make fun of them a lot, but quickly died out by college.

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217818 Sep 22, 2013
R-1 for President wrote:
I don't always talk to Obama voters , but when I do I ask for large fries
From city-data.com :
Median household income in Topeka in 2009:$39,109
Median family income in Rancho Palos Verdes in 2009:$125,716

And a medium coke with that please.
romeo

Moreno Valley, CA

#217820 Sep 22, 2013
wtf why are they wasting so much time on this topic lets move on!
R-1 for President

Topeka, KS

#217822 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
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From city-data.com :
Median household income in Topeka in 2009:$39,109
Median family income in Rancho Palos Verdes in 2009:$125,716
And a medium coke with that please.
I've never been to Topeka, but I proxy there.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#217824 Sep 22, 2013
douchebaggery wrote:
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You're putting words into my mouth. It does not affect me, therefore, I am not partaking in ridiculous debates against it. Live and let live.
Honestly, if siblings want to marry, so be it. It happens anyways. It is illegal, however, because of the clear health problems that can be passed down to the child through incestuous intercourse. There are no such threats in gay marriage.
Nor are there such threats with same sex siblings.
I feel you are arguing from this conservative, "the sacred definition of marriage" bullshit that is getting old. Times change--get over it.
You dodged the question. Where is the line drawn? SSM? Polygamy? Polyamory? Siblings?

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217827 Sep 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Well...I'm here to tell ya...the median family income in Sacramento is $12,903 and eleven cents.
I gotta move.
LOL!!!
No, Sacramento is 50k in 2009. I hope our state capital is not 13!

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217828 Sep 22, 2013
R-1 for President wrote:
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I've never been to Topeka, but I proxy there.
Makes sense. A lot of companies proxy their IP there, since it is in the middle of the nation. Your first post sounded like something someone from Topeka would say though...you gotta admit that.

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217831 Sep 22, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Nor are there such threats with same sex siblings.
<quoted text>
You dodged the question. Where is the line drawn? SSM? Polygamy? Polyamory? Siblings?
I did answer your question indirectly: I don't care. Polygamy is illegal, yet Mormons do it. Legal or not, lines drawn or not, it will get crossed by those who seriously believe in it. As I fear your comprehension may be low, I will reiterate- I DON'T CARE. Answering the same question semantically altered is getting tiring. Let me phrase it bluntly, screw your ancient definition of marriage.

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217832 Sep 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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Different culture. As far as I knew gays didn't dare to come out in the 70's and early to mid-80's.
Went to high school with a kid who became an Olympic medal winning diver who came up gay (not Louganis FYI). We never knew. One of my best friends turned out to be bi-sexual. Found out in my 30's. Blew my mind. If they were to pop up as being gay back in the day there's no doubt they would have gotten a daily beating.
The education they're offering kids in school or attempting to is a good thing. Teaching that gays are just another element of the fabric of society. Christ brother...they're supposed to number about ten percent of the population. As even 'Pietro Almondando' or whatever the fool calls himself in here would say; 'Thatsa lotsa peoples'.
Haha that is a lot of people. I think education is becoming much more tolerant of diversity and changes. I think the generation younger than me is even more tolerant to sexual orientation that you cannot tell what gender they are anymore (i.e. skinny jeans). That look was gay back in the day, but now its the in thing. Gays can hide in plain sight now.

Since: Jul 13

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#217834 Sep 22, 2013
Dan wrote:
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In 2009 it was supposed to be 90K.
Me and three others managed to drag it down.
LOL!!!
Hahahahh!! Oh, man I was drinking water when I read this too.

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